T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thinlómien · 09-28-2009, 12:18 PM

Day4 (toDay)
- is not worth of doing like this but:

Related stuff
* Either some people are good at bluffing, or then my misreading of the rules has contributed to my suspicion of them *head explodes*

Unrelated stuff
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Why? You [me] just said he [Gwath] didn't show up. Why this sudden trust?

It had nothing to do with him not showing up, it was only about his general approach to stuff. But obviously, currently I'm to confused to say this or that.

Thinlómien · 09-28-2009, 12:26 PM

Alright, a general point:

If Sally and Lottie are the two rangers and both have confessed their roles to Nienna, then I do believe they're innocent, and our wolves are Kath, Gwath and Nerwen.

If the role Sally and Lottie "have in common" according to Nienna is ordo, and Nienna is the gifted Sally hints at being in the lot, then they're just having a show around and at least some of them are guilty.

And if I understand the rules correctly, Nienna isn't forbidden to tell me now on the thread what Sally and Loslote claim to be. Or is she? She should have a complete freedom to claim what others have said in PMs as long as she's not quoting.

edit: xed with Nienna

Thinlómien · 09-28-2009, 12:27 PM

Nienna, I'm thinking. (Mostly about Kath's part in this.)

Thinlómien · 09-28-2009, 12:30 PM

It doesn't completely add up in my head. We should have a dead ranger by now if we are talking about the same thing. Or then someone is working really hard to stay in some other people's good books.

Thinlómien · 09-28-2009, 12:31 PM

Well at least I'm currently thinking Nerwen would be the safest lynch because more or less in every scenario I can come up with she's a wolf.

Nienna · 09-28-2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lommy

Well at least I'm currently thinking Nerwen would be the safest lynch because more or less in every scenario I can come up with she's a wolf.

I'm starting to think I agree with you on this one.

Nienna · 09-28-2009, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lommy

We should have a dead ranger by now if we are talking about the same thing.

How do you figure?

Thinlómien · 09-28-2009, 12:38 PM

Now ignoring all that has been said lately for a moment and making a conclusion just based on my research:

Gwath - has been quiet, my gut-feeling of him is good but there's no evidence one way or another
Kath - has been quiet and non-committal, little evidence for guilt or innocnce and very little connections with others
Loslote - has done fishy stuff
Nerwen - a tad unlikely fellows with Gwath
Nienna - would be a really bold wolf (joining a bandwagon against a fellow and killing a person who suspects her on Night2)
Sally - would be a really bold wolf (joining a bandwagon against a fellow and killing a person who suspects her on Night2

edit: xed with Nienna x2

Nogrod · 09-28-2009, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And if I understand the rules correctly, Nienna isn't forbidden to tell me now on the thread what Sally and Loslote claim to be. Or is she? She should have a complete freedom to claim what others have said in PMs as long as she's not quoting.

There is a simple answer to that question...

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Rules

- No one is allowed to quote anything from possible Nightly PM's. Everyone is allowed to claim whatever they have discussed though. But no quotes!

I think that is one of the oldest WW-rules: no quotes in any case, of any stuff, from outside the game-thread...

It was just that with all this PM'ing going on I thought I needed to remind people of it stating it in the rules.

Thinlómien · 09-28-2009, 01:59 PM

Gwath, I think Nienna is more of a ringleader.

Anyway, it seems to me that the best course of action for toDay is lynch-vote Nerwen, guard-vote Nienna and captain-vote Sally. I want Nienna and Sally to be protected because they are the most innocent to me, but also the most widely considered innocent and thus the safest wolf targets.

And as for Nerwen, I've said it before, but in more or less any scenario I can think of, she is a wolf. Congrats for fooling me quite well this far, but you can thank Greenie whose judgement on you I trusted, for unknown reasons.

Now the question remains, should I vote that and go to sleep now, or stay here (possibly entertained by msn and art history meanwhile).

Thinlómien · 09-28-2009, 02:23 PM

I'm too tired to think of ww or study.

For good or bad, let it be for toDay:

++lynch Nerwen

++captain Sally

++guard Nienna

I do hope we make a right decision toDay, and if not, well, we suffer the consequences and that's it.

Good night!

Gwathagor · 09-28-2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'm too tired to think of ww or study.

For good or bad, let it be for toDay:

++lynch Nerwen

++captain Sally

++guard Nienna

I do hope we make a right decision toDay, and if not, well, we suffer the consequences and that's it.

Good night!

You know why they aren't lynching you, Lommy? Because you changed your mind. You'll notice that the moment you began to agree with them, they dropped all suspicion of you. Sally, Loslote, Nienna. All of them.

Nienna · 09-28-2009, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

You know why they aren't lynching you, Lommy? Because you changed your mind. You'll notice that the moment you began to agree with them, they dropped all suspicion of you. Sally, Loslote, Nienna. All of them.

She is either being a good innocent or a smart wolf. Either way she has talked herself out of a lynch and if she is an innocent (we should mention that she is the only person--other than Me, Sally, and Lottie--who is proclaiming her innocence) then this is very very good. If she and Nerwen are wolves then we have time to catch her. If Nerwen is the last innocent then she didn't try at all to convince us and gave up on the safety of the village.

Nienna · 09-28-2009, 02:24 PM

I'm back if anyone has any last minute questions/comments before I vote.

Gwathagor · 09-28-2009, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Anyway, it seems to me that the best course of action for toDay is lynch-vote Nerwen, guard-vote Nienna and captain-vote Sally. I want Nienna and Sally to be protected because they are the most innocent to me, but also the most widely considered innocent and thus the safest wolf targets.

Interestingly, I'm uncomfortable with all those options. I can't vote to lynch Nerwen in good conscience because as far as I can tell, she's been fairly helpful, at least early on in the game, and because I have yet to see any actual evidence against her. She could be a wolf, but we'd basically be lynching her on the word of Sally and Nienna - and I should also point out that we're also taking their word that they are innocent. I disagree that they are "the most widely considered innocent" - they've only been proclaimed innocent by the Sally-Nienna-Loslote club. If one just looks at what has actually been said on the thread, all unsubstantiated claims of innocence aside, all that conspiratorial "code-crap" from the beginning of the Day makes either Nienna or Sally look really suspicious to me. It scares me.

Nienna · 09-28-2009, 02:31 PM

I'm sorry Gwath if we are being scary. We are actually not a scary bunch.

We were being conspiratorial because we don't want to talk about roles out-right. But I believe its not that difficult to discern.

Kath · 09-28-2009, 02:30 PM

Hi, hi, hi - sorry for missing so much of the Day (again!). I've spent the whole Day in London with Rune!

I've read through. Now, I'm absolutely happy to believe in Nienna's innocence. I'm not so happy to believe in sally or Lottie's. Lottie's the least simply because I haven't actually had a chance to talk to her at all and because over the Days she is the one out of the two that I have actually found things to worry about.

Nienna, it's clear that you think the two are innocent, and that you can't give explicit reasons why, but it isn't inconceivable that you have the wrong opinion on one of them. Being innocent (in my view) doesn't make your opinions more likely to be right.

Gwathagor · 09-28-2009, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kath

Hi, hi, hi - sorry for missing so much of the Day (again!). I've spent the whole Day in London with Rune!

You've got a lot of talking to do.

Nienna · 09-28-2009, 02:40 PM

Ok gotta go sit in class for a really long time. I really hope we are right.

++Nerwen

++Captain Sally

++NG Nienna

Gwathagor · 09-28-2009, 02:43 PM

Look, Nienna. ONE of you is a wolf. In WW, in any ostensible category or group, it's never all innocents or all wolves. There's always one mixed in with the others, which is why I'm hesitant to write you all off. But I know that one of you has to bad. This is why I hesitate to trust any of you, because I'm guessing that you're all being cleverly manipulated.

09-28-2009, 12:26 PM	#2
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Alright, a general point: If Sally and Lottie are the two rangers and both have confessed their roles to Nienna, then I do believe they're innocent, and our wolves are Kath, Gwath and Nerwen. If the role Sally and Lottie "have in common" according to Nienna is ordo, and Nienna is the gifted Sally hints at being in the lot, then they're just having a show around and at least some of them are guilty. And if I understand the rules correctly, *Nienna* isn't forbidden to tell me now on the thread what Sally and Loslote claim to be. Or is she? She should have a complete freedom to claim what others have said in PMs as long as she's not quoting. edit: xed with Nienna __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-28-2009, 12:27 PM	#3
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Nienna, I'm thinking. (Mostly about Kath's part in this.) __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-28-2009, 12:30 PM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	It doesn't completely add up in my head. We should have a dead ranger by now if we are talking about the same thing. Or then someone is working really hard to stay in some other people's good books. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-28-2009, 12:31 PM	#5
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Well at least I'm currently thinking Nerwen would be the safest lynch because more or less in every scenario I can come up with she's a wolf. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-28-2009, 12:38 PM	#8
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Now ignoring all that has been said lately for a moment and making a conclusion just based on my research: Gwath - has been quiet, my gut-feeling of him is good but there's no evidence one way or another Kath - has been quiet and non-committal, little evidence for guilt or innocnce and very little connections with others Loslote - has done fishy stuff Nerwen - a tad unlikely fellows with Gwath Nienna - would be a really bold wolf (joining a bandwagon against a fellow and killing a person who suspects her on Night2) Sally - would be a really bold wolf (joining a bandwagon against a fellow and killing a person who suspects her on Night2 edit: xed with Nienna x2 __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-28-2009, 01:59 PM	#10
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Gwath, I think Nienna is more of a ringleader. Anyway, it seems to me that the best course of action for toDay is lynch-vote Nerwen, guard-vote Nienna and captain-vote Sally. I want Nienna and Sally to be protected because they are the most innocent to me, but also the most widely considered innocent and thus the safest wolf targets. And as for Nerwen, I've said it before, but in more or less any scenario I can think of, she is a wolf. Congrats for fooling me quite well this far, but you can thank Greenie whose judgement on you I trusted, for unknown reasons. Now the question remains, should I vote that and go to sleep now, or stay here (possibly entertained by msn and art history meanwhile). __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-28-2009, 02:23 PM	#11
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I'm too tired to think of ww or study. For good or bad, let it be for toDay: ++lynch Nerwen ++captain Sally ++guard Nienna I do hope we make a right decision toDay, and if not, well, we suffer the consequences and that's it. Good night! __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-28-2009, 02:24 PM	#14
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	I'm back if anyone has any last minute questions/comments before I vote. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

09-28-2009, 02:31 PM	#16
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	I'm sorry Gwath if we are being scary. We are actually not a scary bunch. We were being conspiratorial because we don't want to talk about roles out-right. But I believe its not that difficult to discern. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

09-28-2009, 02:30 PM	#17
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Hi, hi, hi - sorry for missing so much of the Day (again!). I've spent the whole Day in London with Rune! I've read through. Now, I'm absolutely happy to believe in Nienna's innocence. I'm not so happy to believe in sally or Lottie's. Lottie's the least simply because I haven't actually had a chance to talk to her at all and because over the Days she is the one out of the two that I have actually found things to worry about. Nienna, it's clear that you think the two are innocent, and that you can't give explicit reasons why, but it isn't inconceivable that you have the wrong opinion on one of them. Being innocent (in my view) doesn't make your opinions more likely to be right. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

09-28-2009, 02:40 PM	#19
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	Ok gotta go sit in class for a really long time. I really hope we are right. ++Nerwen ++Captain Sally ++NG Nienna __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

09-28-2009, 02:43 PM	#20
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Look, Nienna. ONE of you is a wolf. In WW, in any ostensible category or group, it's never all innocents or all wolves. There's always one mixed in with the others, which is why I'm hesitant to write you all off. But I know that one of you has to bad. This is why I hesitate to trust any of you, because I'm guessing that you're all being cleverly manipulated. __________________ Stories and songs.