Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXVIII: A Full Moon Over Innsmouth

[Brinniel]

So I come home exhausted and tell Nienna I'm not sure how much energy I'll have for WW toDay and she replies, "Btw, there have been gifted reveals up the wazoo." Thanks guys. Now my headache has grown ten times worse.

Obviously Morsul isn't the real seer since he gave up on his act. And I would've said anyway that I don't believe him. For one thing, if Pitch was a wolf sacrificing another to look good, I don't think he would've chosen to sacrifice Spm...anyway it wouldn't be a smart move period to sacrifice on Day One. So is Morsul the agent or a wolf? If he's a wolf, he just blew it for his team; but we can't count out the possibility. Which means at some point in the future we'll probably need to lynch him so not to let the risk of a wolf getting away. Geez, for all we know Morsul could just be an ordo who doesn't know what he's doing. He didn't know how to vote properly yesterDay, so is it possible he doesn't know you're not supposed to fake reveal if innocent? It seems unlikely, but I don't know..

As to who our ranger is I'm less certain, but I'm more inclined to believe wilwa. Hakon had no good reason to come out; rangers don't reveal unless they're being threatened. And everything he has said since sounds fabricated. Wilwa on the other hand seems more believable and her panicked reveal was more genuine. (Now if she is the ranger, I'm really hoping she is bluffing about who she protected.) The only reason I could see a ranger reveal come out so suddenly was to lure out the real ranger, and if so, it's been a success. Though that could've been something done by either a wolf or agent.

There's my thoughts for now. I need to take some ibuprofen, eat, and relax a bit before doing anything more. But I'll suggest that perhaps now we should start to switch our focus elsewhere. These reveals have caused a great deal of distraction which wolves love since it makes it easy for them to hide. Because while one wolf may be part of this mess, there's still at least one who is not. Btw, are there three or four wolves in this game? I forgot. And my head still hurts.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Roa

That mess will definitely sort itself out. Just leave it be for now and don't risk our gifted on something you can't be sure of.

Good point. Which is precisely why we should change our focus and start to look at other players.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Good point. Which is precisely why we should change our focus and start to look at other players.

What do you make of Nienna and her attempts to make out that Morsul wasn't "really" impersonating the Dreamer? Firstly she says she wasn't sure whether Morsul had actually revealed, and when I quoted the post in which he said "I'm the Dreamer", she suggests that it was just a joke (which it rather clearly wasn't).

Now, granted, Morsul seems to have a sufficiently shaky grasp of the rules that you couldn't 100% rule out him being an ordo who didn't understand what he was doing
– except, by that point he had basically confessed to being the Agent. (Whether he is that, or a wolf, remains to be seen.) I'm thinking– when a cobbler is exposed, who, besides the cobbler himself, has most reason to be dismayed?

EDIT:X'd with Lottie.

[Morsul the Dark]

wellI have to go to sleep and since I'll be working early and then off to a Real Priest to discuss wedding plans I'll have to vote now assuming, everything so far... Hakon seems the worst off in the bunch so,

++Hakon

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

wellI have to go to sleep and since I'll be working early and then off to a Real Priest to discuss wedding plans I'll have to vote now assuming, everything so far... Hakon seems the worst off in the bunch so,

++Hakon

Firstly, Morsul, let me offer my congratulations.

Secondly, let me explain something: you can't change sides in Werewolf*. If you are, in fact, the Agent, you can only win if the wolves do, full stop. Everyone knows this. There's no point saying you've had a change of heart and are now helping the village. See?





*Unless you're a Cursed, which we don't have in this game.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Firstly, Morsul, let me offer my congratulations.

Secondly, let me explain something: you can't change sides in Werewolf*. If you are, in fact, the Agent, you can only win if the wolves do, full stop. Everyone knows this. There's no point saying you've had a change of heart and are now helping the village. See?

I'm pretty well convinced that with the Hakon / Morsul pair we're looking at a wolf and the Agent. I still say Hakon's reveal makes absolutely no sense otherwise.

What of Nog? I thought Roa did a decent analysis of him earlier. I'm thinking back also to Nog's early swipes at Pitch, which SPM, and then Loslote picked up on.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Secondly, let me explain something: you can't change sides in Werewolf*. If you are, in fact, the Agent, you can only win if the wolves do, full stop. Everyone knows this. There's no point saying you've had a change of heart and are now helping the village. See?
.

Well then I suppose you'll ignore my Good advice as well as my bad eh? pick your poison

[Craydon1]

Well I really was hoping the supposed Priest would give me more to work with. Sigh. So I'm going to give them one more night/day to prove themselves/fall on their face. I am going to vote for Morsul because of a few things: 1) if I'm the only one that votes for him, than at least I did not contribute to the possible death of the real Priest, 2) if more do vote for him, than he dies and frankly, no one will mourn, and 3) I'm thinking that if I wanted people to not find out that I'm a wolf I would make myself clearly look like something else. There's my thoughts. Good night.
++Morsul

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I'm pretty well convinced that with the Hakon / Morsul pair we're looking at a wolf and the Agent. I still say Hakon's reveal makes absolutely no sense otherwise.

Likely, but I'm not ready to vote either of our Priest-claimants yet. Of the two, I should say Hakon is the more likely wolf– yet, he does have a history of doing strange, impulsive things. Meanwhile, I'm not all that keen on Wilwa's willingness to believe Morsul (see #164).

Originally Posted by Inziladun

What of Nog? I thought Roa did a decent analysis of him earlier. I'm thinking back also to Nog's early swipes at Pitch, which SPM, and then Loslote picked up on.

Hmmn. A definite possibility. (Mind you, SPM picked up on– I believe– every suspicion expressed about anyone.)

Originally Posted by Craydon1

Well I really was hoping the supposed Priest would give me more to work with. Sigh. So I'm going to give them one more night/day to prove themselves/fall on their face. I am going to vote for Morsul because of a few things: 1) if I'm the only one that votes for him, than at least I did not contribute to the possible death of the real Priest, 2) if more do vote for him, than he dies and frankly, no one will mourn, and 3) I'm thinking that if I wanted people to not find out that I'm a wolf I would make myself clearly look like something else. There's my thoughts. Good night.
++Morsul

Craydon,you're correct in assuming that that wolves do sometimes try to look like cobblers. My impression, though, is that Morsul, though evil, is also genuinely confused about the rules, to a degree that seems unlikely in the case of a wolfcub. They generally get tips from their packmates at Night.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

What do you make of Nienna and her attempts to make out that Morsul wasn't "really" impersonating the Dreamer? Firstly she says she wasn't sure whether Morsul had actually revealed, and when I quoted the post in which he said "I'm the Dreamer", she suggests that it was just a joke (which it rather clearly wasn't).

I don't know if I would see his claim as a joke, though perhaps I can see where she's coming from on the idea that maybe he's an ordo who made a severely wrong move. Considering his behaviour so far, I wouldn't be surprised if that turned out so. Though I don't know what to think about him going along with everyone's notion that he's an agent. For a moment, it makes me worry he is a wolf, but then again there is no way a wolf would act this way when there is a pack to advise him at Night. If he is the agent, that's a really hard role to take on as a newbie who knows little to nothing about the game, so I'll give him credit for even trying. Though when I think about it, when I was a newbie I had difficulty understanding immediately what the role of cobbler exactly was. Is it at all possible Morsul is confused on what the agent does which is why he's going along with it?

But anyway, back to Nienna. No, I don't find her comment about the reveal being a joke suspicious.

It's really late, so I can't stay up much longer, but I think I'll skim the thread a bit first to see if I can get a better read on everyone. I need to be up fairly early in the morning and won't be here for deadline (or rather I shouldn't be since I need to be editing...so don't tempt me), so I'll probably be voting a few hours before then.

[wilwarin538]

So I read through those super fast, which I feel aweful about but I have no other choice. Something Roa said about Brinn saying Morsul could be an ord stuck out so I went to find the post:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Obviously Morsul isn't the real seer since he gave up on his act. And I would've said anyway that I don't believe him. For one thing, if Pitch was a wolf sacrificing another to look good, I don't think he would've chosen to sacrifice Spm...anyway it wouldn't be a smart move period to sacrifice on Day One. So is Morsul the agent or a wolf? If he's a wolf, he just blew it for his team; but we can't count out the possibility. Which means at some point in the future we'll probably need to lynch him so not to let the risk of a wolf getting away. Geez, for all we know Morsul could just be an ordo who doesn't know what he's doing. He didn't know how to vote properly yesterDay, so is it possible he doesn't know you're not supposed to fake reveal if innocent? It seems unlikely, but I don't know..

That whole thing really bugs me. I mean it's not completely unlikely that an ordo would reveal in order to protect a gifted, but Morsul doesn't do it in a way that could really be useful, and for a new player to try something like that as an ord, that seems unlikely. Maybe if it was someone who's played alot and could pull it off better, but I don't think that's the case here and I really don't see how Brinn could find that possible.

I know this is flimsy, and trust me that's driving me nuts, but I don't have anything concrete on anyone and this just stuck out to me. If I manage to still be alive tomorrow and Brinn is too I'll look more closely at her but for now I really just have to vote and this is all that stood out for me. Sorry.

++Brinn

Really have to run now, big rush. Good luck!!