WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Mnemosyne]

Pitch and Inziladun are both giving me the closest thing to a wolvish vibe that I have right now. I'll probably vote for one of them... whichever one seems more likely to garner more votes at this point as I'm afraid they'll be in competition with the Dread Fracas.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Pitch and Inziladun are both giving me the closest thing to a wolvish vibe that I have right now. I'll probably vote for one of them... whichever one seems more likely to garner more votes at this point as I'm afraid they'll be in competition with the Dread Fracas.

That's the third time you've made reference to your opinion that Roa and Nogrod are both innocent.

[Mnemosyne]

Okay, so the suspicionometers of everyone else on the thread were a lot less definitive than I thought...

And the vibes aren't giving me any more direction...

Which means it's coinflip time...

++Inziladun

[A Little Green]

An hour till DL... I'm off very soon, Lommy wants the internet, and I'm debating with myself whether to vote now or hastily before DL. It would make more sense now, I guess, but then again, I don't like decision-making, but then again, the decision has to be made anyway.

Gah. I'll vote now.

++ Mnemo

I'll save Nog for later. I want to hear him explain himself toMorrow.


EDIT: x-ed with Nog. Oh well.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nog

No. I'm saying nothing like that. I'm saying an ordo can use her/his grey cells and see. Being blind is not the same thing as being a baddie...

No, but by implying an ordo should see what you see is basically the same as implying that a person who doesn't see what you see is not an ordo. Get the point?

But now I'll go and let Lommy post. Decide wisely, folks. Good Night.

[Bes]

Back. Reading everything up til now. Also, waiting on Legate to answer a PMed question about rules and such... More in a little while, hopefully. I swear I'm trying to participate in this game.

[Macalaure]

Too many people look innocent to me right now. I don't want to vote Boro, Eomer, Lottie, Roa, Bes, Shasta, Greenie, and trom, and I would like to avoid voting Mnemo, Morsul, Brinn, Pitch, Nienna, and Nerwen.

Sally and Wilwa aren't newbies to me, but apart from those, they are the two who haven't provided much. Don't like voting them for that, of course, but I would rather do that than vote any of the above.

Since they're the only ones left, I'd tentatively consider Inzil (need to read more, so far mostly either agreed with others or defended himself), Nogrod (would deserve a long case, which I can't provide at the moment), Lommy (don't know what to do with her). Not happy with options.

edit: crossed with quite a few.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Mac: 1 (Morsul)

Nogrod: 1 (Roa)

Nerwen: 1 (Brinn)

Inziladun: 1 (Mnemo)

Mnemo: 1 (Green)


Finely balanced.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

An hour till DL... I'm off very soon, Lommy wants the internet, and I'm debating with myself whether to vote now or hastily before DL. It would make more sense now, I guess, but then again, I don't like decision-making, but then again, the decision has to be made anyway.

Gah. I'll vote now.

++ Mnemo

I think Greenie may be gone now, but why Mnemo?
I don't care much for the latter's vote for me due to a coin toss, but some reasoning here would be helpful.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Not going to vote due to lack of participation (one day stay of execution)

Loslote
Nienna
sally
Shasta
wilwa
tromkehra
Bes


Want to keep alive for now

Boromir88
Eomer of the Rohirrim (!)
Morsul
Nogrod
Roa
Green


Will probably vote for one of:

Inziladun
Mnemosyne
Pitchwife
Brinn
Macalaure
Thinlómien
Nerwen

[Pitchwife]

Zil - a quiet presence, hanging back and posting only when he's got something to say, which makes him look cautious and on his guard. Suspecting him is almost as easy and popular as Hakon-bashing. Sometimes he deserves it, sometimes not, hard to tell which. So far, however, I've seen nothing that cries wolf, and I don't quite see where Mnemo's vote comes from.
Mac has been playing in a somewhat similar style so far, which makes it hard to pin him down. But I find it noteworthy that he rescinded his early 'declaration of innocence' for me (for which, truth to be told, there was hardly any base at the time but maybe a vague instinct) very shortly after I pointed out his use of double standards.

Now for the Nog-Roa controversy. We've seen it all before, but this time, Nog looks odder of the two. Secret cobbler is a definitive possibility, but no more than that. Let's keep them both for another Day and see whether Nog comes up with something more substantial.

EDIT: x-ed with everyone since Mnemo's #130.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Mac has been playing in a somewhat similar style so far, which makes it hard to pin him down. But I find it noteworthy that he rescinded his early 'declaration of innocence' for me (for which, truth to be told, there was hardly any base at the time but maybe a vague instinct) very shortly after I pointed out his use of double standards.

Oddly enough, after apparently deciding not to go for me here:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Inzil - defense convincing; off hook for now; needs to say more

Mac then flip flops:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Since they're the only ones left, I'd tentatively consider Inzil (need to read more, so far mostly either agreed with others or defended himself), Nogrod (would deserve a long case, which I can't provide at the moment), Lommy (don't know what to do with her). Not happy with options.

And I still think he was entirely too quick to use the Boro controvery-which-shouldn't-have-been as a reason to cast suspicions.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ah Shasta, ever eager to play Eomer to my Lommy.

Wait, what?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Ah Shasta, ever eager to play Eomer to my Lommy.

Wait, what?

What, no interest in a spinoff of "The Shasta/Eomer Show"?

X'd with Lommy.

[satansaloser2005]

Here for a bit and will read through as quickly as I can. *dashes off* Vote count?

[Nienna]

Ok so I'm super sorry I haven't been around till now. I was working. I'll be on till deadline though I don't know how much help I can be. Lommy is feeling the worst to me so far. Her posts haven't been helpful but I know she is coming on the computer so I'll giver her a slight chance. I don't think that Mnemo is looking all that suspicious. Nog and Roa are probably both innocents. I don't know what to do with Mac or Boro but I probably won't be voting for either of them. I also won't be voting Morsul.

Edit: Crossed with a host

[Macalaure]

Morsul -> Mac
Roa -> Nogrod
Brinn -> Nerwen
Mnemo -> Inzil
Green -> Mnemo
Eomer -> Mnemo(2)

Originally Posted by Pitch

But I find it noteworthy that he rescinded his early 'declaration of innocence' for me (for which, truth to be told, there was hardly any base at the time but maybe a vague instinct) very shortly after I pointed out his use of double standards.

That reminds me that I have to explain why there were no double standards. Inzil's list had nothing in it (Eomer noted the same somewhere). Mine had little more than nothing, but I admitted its little use.
My (non-)suspicion of you had nothing to do with it. You felt innocent at first, then less, now more again.


Inzil, is your only points against me that I jump to conclusions and back too quickly? What else are you supposed to do on Day1? If you voice your opinions with some overblown certainty, at least you'll be sure to get a response that's valuable.

[Nogrod]

I will probably stick with Roa whatever you think... unless there is something I find totally wrong in the voting.

Of others I'd say that Nerwen's fast "backpedalling" (heh, I learned a new word from this) after being suspected, even if quite easily, looks a bit suspicious - not to say what some others have said that she's a bit tense.

I don't find Mnemo that suspicious. Instead she was one of the only reasonable ones at least in the earlier part of the Day - sadly I don't have such a clear view on her from the latter part of the Day.

I agree that Inzil's first list of people looked more of something that was intended to look good rather than being genuinely helpful - and he has been careful indeed. Like Pitchie...

I always suspect Mac - and I actually do now as well. But I would be very hesitant to call anything on that, at least without any further reasons.

I feel, actually think I have a reason to believe, that Boro is innocent.

With Shasta I'm wavering; could go both ways.

[Pitchwife]

Voting time approaches. Have I already said I hate Day 1 votes?
Leaving our obvious loudmouths aside, I've got to say Mac makes me most uneasy at the moment. Double standards, general slipperyness, plus the flip-flopping Zil pointed out. It's more a vibe-matter than reasoning, but that's what I have to go on right now.
++Macalaure

[Bes]

Eugh. You guys post so very, very quickly. Admittedly there's close to 20 people in the game, so that's to be expected. Anyway!

I don't feel at all confident in my previous statement about Boro at this point; I was sleepy, it was 1AM, and even then it just me going with my gut... and later being sort of irritated at what I perceived as an inflammatory response.

I'm hesitant to peg either Roa or Nogrod, though they both feel suspicious to me, Nogrod more than Roa. He's speaking in a very firm and confident way about an argument that has about an ounce of evidence which is based on something that could just as easily be a coincidence. I don't want to say he's wrong, but I won't vote Roa today based on that either. He'll have to sell it to me more tomorrow.

I'll admit that I haven't considered everything as carefully as I could, but the arguments that make the most sense to me, right now, are Inzil's arguments against Mac. He's the only one so far that I can look back all the way and say that I feel iffy about, aside from the previously mentioned Roa and Nogrod.

++Macalaure

[Macalaure]

Last minute bandwaggon against me? At least Inzil's vote should be guaranteed...

Joy.

[Macalaure]

To everyone who's not eager to lynch me, I'd prefer Inzil over Mnemo a lot.

[satansaloser2005]

For what it's worth, I don't think a wolf out of water (aka Mnemo....yeah, I know, I made a lame Disney pun) would do a coin flip or even suggest it, as she would know it could get her some votes.

I'm actually kind of suspicious of Shasta right now; call it a hunch. Roa seems too strange to me (and as usual, the first Day is rubbish and I'm only able to sparknotes how I think) and while Nog looks weird I trust him so far. Boro's clearly the devil.

And Mac? Bwah? I'll have to look at him toMorrow. For now though, I'll go with:

++Roa


We don't have to highlight, do we? *hates being rushed* I'll do all I can toNight to catch up and make sure we're in a better spot toMorrow.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nienna

neither does Mnemo...

*shurg* Maybe, but worse than Inzil or Mac...

I have the feeling this'll be chaotic.

edit: xed with people again

[Inziladun]

All right, Mac. I really didn't want to vote for you, since I always suspect you. But to ensure my survival:

++ Mac

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Deadline. The Day is over.

Narration is coming up soon here also along with the Day's outcome. I will count and check the votes. In case you are around here and reading this and are not in desperate need to leave, I suggest that you patiently wait like five to ten minutes at most for the narration to be posted. And not do anything else. Yet.

[Pitchwife]

Just noticed - I was under the impression that Nog had voted Roa already, but according to Eomer's tally he hasn't, and I can't actually find a vote among his posts (would be quite uncharacteristic for him to vote early, anyway). Didn't want to create a false impression.
Has anybody considered Nog has a secret role which is not a cobbler?

[Thinlómien]

I'm here and I have read everything and I honestly just don't have anything to say. I seem to be a bit unable to get a grip on the game, undoubtedly partly because I haven't been dedicating it as much time as I could have, due to seeing friends etc.

While I agree that I would totally advocate the Roa-Nogrod-in-cahoots theory as a wolf if they were innocent, I still advocate it also as an innocent with no knowledge on their roles. Because normally if they were like that there would be at least one "oh don't we ever learn, we always do this" comment in the middle of that, but no. This time it seems staged because it's so dramatic. Neither party is questioning their reasoning at all, which is not a sign of innocence.

I'm not sure if I'll vote either of them, though, because funnily enough, that would seem quite drastic to me, especially as if ignoring the details, their petty fight seems so normal and thus not very suspicious at all. Argh. I guess I could vote Mnemo or Nienna, but they haven't really done much to merit my suspicion (but then again it's Day1). Or then I could vote Eomer because he would undoubtedly like that.


edit: xed with the stuff after the vote count

[Thinlómien]

Darn, Eomer's vote for Mnemo makes me hesitant to vote her, because that would turn the Mnemo-votes to a bandwagon and I'm not sure if she deserves that.

Also, I don't get why Nogrod seems so desperate. Usually he keeps calm even if the whole village suspects him and now it's only a minority.

Nienna comes back and suspects me. Wonderful. Because that makes me suspect her in return. I feel sort of "justified" in this suspicion though, because others have suspected me slightly too and I don't suspect them, so I'm not suspecting everybody in retaliation ergo my suspicion of Nienna can't be totally retaliatory which'd mean there's something that seems off to me in her behaviour even if I can't analyse it... Makes sense?


edit: xed with a host

[Thinlómien]

Ewwwwwwww.... the time!

[Thinlómien]

A vote for Nienna seems throwaway now... so the question is, Nogrod or Mnemo...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'm here and I have read everything and I honestly just don't have anything to say. I seem to be a bit unable to get a grip on the game, undoubtedly partly because I haven't been dedicating it as much time as I could have, due to seeing friends etc.

Here's the post; # 151 if you want to look at the whole thing.

EDIT: xed with Mac