WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Thinlómien]

I'm writing a reply as I read, so forgive me if I repeat stuff people have said...

I'm currently finding Mac quite innocent, andf looking at his vote summary, Shasta and Nienna (ha!) seem slightly bad. YesterDay's voting was quite a mess, and to be honest, I have no idea what to make out of it, except that, like I said, I think Mac is innocent, and possibly Inzil too. That would make it slightly more probable that Mnemo is guilty, or then we are really unlucky.

I'm kind of grudging Legate for making this "humane decision" event. Because now we don't have any dead ie cleared people. And no wolf-kill tracks to follow (although this will be one of those painful games where the kills are more confusing due to the lack of a seer). So it's kind of good Roa had to leave (although that was sad ) because that means we have some information.

Nogrod's case on Roa is just absurdly over the top, it doesn't make any sense. I really wonder if that makes him a wolf. Because that would be the only reason I could see him doing that, "ooh I'll be so crazy and over-the-top that no one will believe I'm actually a wolf"...?

Mnemo is odd.

Can someone accuse me or get me otherwise very involved? Because I feel strangely "unattached" from this game, I'm reading it as if I wasn't playing it myself. Hmph.

Originally Posted by Mnemo

I should add that Roa's departure puts paid to my theory that she and Nog were our gifteds staging an uprising. Phooey.

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.

Nogrod has quite good points against Pitchie, but I still wonder about him too.

I'm not sure what to make of Lottie's vote for me. It is poorly reasoned, but not necessarily evil. She's not so much of a newbie anymore, though, so I would expect more depth from her. Well but really, she just summarises what I said, doesn't criticise it all or tell why it is suspicious and just votes me. *raises an eyebrow*

I'll be back and more involved later! I'll leave you with a list based on gut-feeling and all the points I've brought up this far:

Leaning innocent
Boro
Mac
Inzil
Greenie
Eomer

In the middle
Bes
trom
Morsul
Lottie
Sally
Brinn
Wilwa
Nerwen

Leaning guilty
Mnemo
Nogrod
Nienna
Pitchie
Shasta

PS. I really feel pitifully uninvolved. I promise I try to do something about that when I come back from school.

[Macalaure]

I like Bes' analysis, except that it draws a lot on my inconsistencies. Don't forget that ordos, lacking any special knowledge, end up being inconsistent a lot, too.

I think I defended myself against pretty much all of his points already. New ones are that I was calling the votes against me a bandwaggon too early (but there were only a few minutes to go, and with Inzil's expectable one, I was in the lead - definitely enough reason to be concerned, I think), and my suspicion of Nienna (which really isn't strong at all, but her vote tried to save me, and sometimes wolves like to save people they know are innocent because it often earns their trust, and if the saving fails, trying to save a dead known innocent tends to look good).

Sorry, Trom. All that gender confusion in this game...

I still have to verify my own suspicion of Pitch, but the way the suspicion against him is raised by several people lately makes me very uncomfortable.

I might be hurting myself now, but Boro: wolf-Mac would be very comfortable to keep you alive at this point, enjoying that he has fooled you this far and that you're sometimes hesitant to change your opinions once you've properly formed them.

I was starting to wonder whether Lommy could be evil, but now her suspicions are almost the same as mine, which makes it difficult... unless my suspicions are completely off.

[Macalaure]

Oh, there's this, too:

Originally Posted by Bes

I'd say that's half accurate, since it's more like he never suspects too many people in one sitting.

But honestly, how often does anybody suspect a larger number of people at the same time and in one post? That would be running loose.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

YAY I'M A WOLF.

Now there's a line you wouldn't want someone to quote out of context.

On a more serious note, I'm still not liking Mnemo, and the explanation she gives at #270 does't seem to explain very much:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Tacking this on: Nerwen, Pitch was joking with people who were playing straight through the game, rationally, as if the confines of the game were still present. Nothing wrong with that, except maybe that it added to that dreadful zeal. But if later on he praises them for playing straight through the game, when at the time he himself was extending the banter... I'd just rather he'd put his money where his mouth was.

Yeah, that would be perfectly good argument... except that we are talking about a couple of banter posts in the middle of page one!

I don't particularly care for this, either:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

...Is it bad that I almost want to get lynched just so that people will know I'm innocent?

I don't know what to think. Yesterday she seemed fine, and in fact I was very surprised when she became a lynch-candidate. ToDay she's apparently gone off the rails. Understand, I'm not saying Inzil and Pitch aren't wolves– Zil is reminding me of his lupine self from time to time, and I don't believe we know what a Pitchwolf looks like at all– but her stated reasons for suspecting them are terribly weak.

On the subject of weak reasons... well, pretty much everything I could say about Loslote's "list + vote" post has already been said, I think. Why did she do that? She'd actually have got much less attention if she'd said she was voting on "gut-feeling".

EDIT:X'd with Morsul.
EDIT2:typo.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boro, re: me

I have (in my opinion) a very nifty "tell" that she will never be able to pry from my cold-dead hands as it's the only thing so far I've been pick up what her role is...

Oh really? Somehow I think my tell is not the tell you think it is. And if you're planning to lynch me just to find out that I'm a goodie I don't think I like your reasoning. I'd personally rather save people that are probably innocent in my eyes than lynch them just to see what they are. Or maybe I'm crazy and that's how the New Werewolf is played. Heck if I know. (Of course I'm mostly teasing here because I don't expect him to campaign to kill me at this stage, but if he does make up a big case against me later with little cause I'll be quite concerned.)

(Also, I should note that he had a tongue face at the end of that, but I had to remove it to be able to submit the post.)

Originally Posted by Kehra

Mac I be a girl

Goodie. I thought so, but wasn't sure. You can never tell on these here interwebs. (And sometime I'll have to tell you about when I joined and a certain Miss Kath wanted to call me Stan)


Okay, to business. Sorry everyone, but I kept falling asleep last night so I gave up and went to bed. I'll be busy this morning (once they need me to actually go in, that is, as I've got some time right now) but the last couple hours of the Day will be blissfully empty so I'll be a bit more vocal, or at least I hope. I'll go finish (although I don't think I got that far) my Brinn and Nienna analysis, and then I'm going to have a look at either Shasta or Nerwen. Wonder if I've found a pack yet.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Brinn, yes, it was a bit of a stretch. However, it fit very nicely with the feelings I was having about your Nerwen-vote, so I added it anyway.

Well of course you would add it and I wouldn't expect anything less; after all, twisting words into 'slips' is something wolves enjoy doing.

Btw, I'm not exactly sure why my Nerwen vote looks bad. It's not the strongest reasoning, I admit, but I still think it was a valid one. And it's certainly better than no reason at all.

Once again, I really don't have the time I need to get a better grasp on players. I'll try to hold off my vote for now, though it will have to be sometime in the next four hours. Anyway, right now the closest thing I have to a vote is Loslote for her unreasoned vote. She even admitted she didn't have a reason to suspect Lommy. Summarising a post of her's does not make it look better if there's no actual opinion shared or conclusions made.

Originally Posted by Stan

(And sometime I'll have to tell you about when I joined and a certain Miss Kath wanted to call me Stan)

I think you should've gone by that name. It so much more fun to say, not to mention it's easier to rhyme (like Steve).

[satansaloser2005]

*eats Brinn with the rest of her breakfast*

[Inziladun]

I'm trying to peek in and keep up while dodging a pile of work.

I'm making a concious effort to divert my attention from Mac toDay, so who else looks worthy of note?

Boro is seeming too brash and sure of himself, giving off a odd vibe. I don't know I can call it a wolfish vibe just yet though. He's mostly made sense I guess, which by his own reasoning means he should be lynched, right?

Lottie's vote for Lommy is certainly unreasoned, and looks to be a perfectly safe vote for a wolf to make. However, I don't know that I want to vote for Lottie just on that.

Nog is a puzzle. He's not really sounding like the Nog I know from the past, yet I have a hard time finding fault with most of what he says. His zeal in pursuing Roa yesterDay was bizarre, and a departure from his usual Day 1 submarine-hunting activities.

Shasta I'm on the fence about. I need to look at him more closely.

Nerwen seems all right.

Greenie...Eh.. Not sure. I'd have to see more.

Brinn...No alarm bells really.

Sally: Nothing jumps out one way or the other.

Lommy looks ok right now.

Morsul: Again, nothing stands out.

Pitch is another one I have a hard time finding fault with. I have no idea how he would come off as a wolf, but he seems reasonable enough.

Eomer is one to watch. He's really done quite well with looking involved at just the right times, but I'm hard pressed to remember anything in particular he's said.

Mac: I'm deliberately leaving him be for now. All I'm saying is I don't plan to vote for him toDay.

Mnemo is worrisome. Her rationale for suspecting me is truly strange. Then there are statements like this:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Which is why I've decided that I'm not going to vote to try to save people anymore, much less vote "politically." And I encourage others to follow suit.

What does that mean? How was voting for me on a coin toss doing either of those things? Am I missing something?

And this:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Shasta: because suddenly guilt becomes relative.

Could you explain what you mean by that?
And she's been proclaiming innocence as well, which most innocents don't feel the need to do. The seeming rising tide against her concerns me somewhat, because I worry that it could be a wolfish plot to frame her. But she's surely given them a lot of ammunition if that's the case.

I've probably missed someone, but I'm out of time for the moment.

x/d with 2 Sallys, Morsul, and Nerwen

[satansaloser2005]

Also....

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I think you should've gone by that name. It so much more fun to say, not to mention it's easier to rhyme (like Steve).

I shall now prove you wrong. By the end of the Day (or so I hope) you shall have something proving how easy my name is to rhyme. So there.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

But honestly, how often does anybody suspect a larger number of people at the same time and in one post? That would be running loose.

THIS.

Awake and caught up. Looking forward to seeing people's reactions, posts, etc. as they start coming in for the Big Finish.

[Mnemosyne]

Speaking of "tell"s, Sally, are you a wolf?

(Feel free to answer that question or not, my dear)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Speaking of "tell"s, Sally, are you a wolf?

(Feel free to answer that question or not, my dear)

My dear little duckling, I am not in fact a wolf. Are you? (Not that your answer would tell us anything, but still. It's polite to keep the conversation going, avoid awkward silences and all that.)

[Mnemosyne]

...but but but...

I love awkward silences! Especially when the awkwardness is broken by a loud and beautiful explosion!

Anyway, thank you, my dear, and no, I am not a wolf.

[Morsul the Dark]

Sally lurking in an alley....
She crawled up from the valley...
To see the vote Tally...
then went off the Wolf Rally...

I'm actually kind of suspicious of Shasta right now; call it a hunch. Roa seems too strange to me (and as usual, the first Day is rubbish and I'm only able to sparknotes how I think) and while Nog looks weird I trust him so far. Boro's clearly the devil.

*pulls out hair* See what I come back to?

I think the whole end of the Day was rotten, and I'll tell you why as soon as I finish up some laundry. I swear I'll save some time to do a proper post, but unfortunately RL is eating me up.

Also, where's the new kid? I've not seen him/her yet and won't rest properly until I give them a nickname. *pokes them* Sad day. Off to analysis then.

I'll go finish (although I don't think I got that far) my Brinn and Nienna analysis, and then I'm going to have a look at either Shasta or Nerwen. Wonder if I've found a pack yet.

and then post after post of nothing...

Putting off this "analysis because you already know the answer? And Mnem's logic would say she should suspect you... but she doesn't say that I wonder If I have found a pack...