WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 12-02-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Nienna and Shasta - I understand voting to save somebody you'd like to keep, but on the other hand, giving somebody else their 2nd or 3rd vote instead with no given case behind it doesn't exactly look obviously innocent to me.
Otherwise, I must say I've nothing against either of you at the moment.

*What me and Greenie just said*

Morsul the Dark · 12-02-2009, 02:15 PM

loslote voted for seemingly no reason...
Mnem I have the same suspicions though not sure enough

otherwise Nienna and Shasta and mac on day 1's vote seemed to be working together...

A Little Green · 12-02-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer

Now, perhaps you're interpreting this differently to me, but all I did was, soon as I saw Roa's post, literally say out loud: "Ah ha! Intentional miscount!" A split-second reaction that I thought I'd share. Believe it or not but I didn't actually commit to thinking Roa was up to something, hence why I didn't pursue it and actively stated that I thought Roa was likely innocent. I can see why you think that's fanning flames but oh well.

Just to get things clear, for I think I'm missing something: you thought she miscounted the number of wolves intentionally yet wasn't up to anything? How's that?

Sally - could you explain your list a bit? Like, why are people where they are on your list? It would be interesting.

EDIT: x-ed with Zil and Sally

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

Sally - could you explain your list a bit? Like, why are people where they are on your list? It would be interesting.

I was actually just going to get to that, so no worries. Some of it is mostly feelings, I'll admit, but I'm going to explain a good chunk.

Must make a couple calls first though, alas. Back soon.

EDIT: x'd with Mac and Nog, whom I agree with rather splendidly (Nog that is).

Thinlómien · 12-02-2009, 02:26 PM

Mac is getting weird and jumpy. (Ha! Fourth jumpy wolf!) Nog, on the other hand, seems more reasonable.

Only the fact that Mnemo is gathering more and more suspicion is making me doubtful: like I've been telling people who never listen to me (

), if someone who is not shouting a wolf is lynched with too much of a consensus s/he's probably an innocent.

edit: xed with Pitchfork

A Little Green · 12-02-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sally

I was actually just going to get to that, so no worries. Some of it is mostly feelings, I'll admit, but I'm going to explain a good chunk.

Cool. Other than that, well, I have an exam tomorrow and I want to check my notes before bed, so I'll probably vote in a minute (not literally). I might be tempted to hang around until deadline, though, just because it's so soon..

EDIT: x-ed since Sally

Pitchwife · 12-02-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

otherwise Nienna and Shasta and mac on day 1's vote seemed to be working together...

Nope. Mac clearly voted in self-defense, and after having suspected Zil for most of the Day (not with any reasons that convinced me, but still). I'm still unsatisfied about Nienna's and Shasta's votes, but Mac's is the most understandable of the three.
À propos, I'm not that confident anymore about the reasons I voted Mac yesterDay - not enough to vote him again, I mean. At least part of them were apparently based on misunderstanding his statements, and what he's said toDay looks OK. Let's see how he carries on.

I'd rather vote MnemotoDay. I don't like either of her votes. One with no given reason at all but 'vibes', the other with reasons that look much too fabricated. (All right, I'm not exactly impartial in the last case...) And suspecting people because they play too much like herself. Plus I get really really tired of being suspected for my style of thinking and posting. (That goes to you as well, Nog. You said much the same things about me last game, and we know what you were then.)
Therefore,
++Mnemo

Nogrod · 12-02-2009, 02:21 PM

Okay. Looking at the list of votes gives me a few possibilities.

Mnemo's voting looks especially weird and she's not the easy-going voice of reason she was in the early part of D1 - when not yet suspected.

Pitch for being such a nice one taking care not to rub anyone the wrong way but still making an impression he's at it all the time and considers things for the good of us all.

Nerwen I'm just having bad gut feelings and if I have time I'll try and look back for her a little bit to see whether my suspicions are valid or not (I wouldn't like to vote her with just this bad feeling).

Lottie's vote is just plain odd and kind of scandalous, but is it evil as well? A tough call...

Nogrod · 12-02-2009, 02:28 PM

Mac, you're really too touchy this time around...

Morsul the Dark · 12-02-2009, 02:33 PM

Mnem-2
Loslote-2
Lommy-1
Boro-1
Pitch-1
Zil-1
Nerwen-1

++Loslote

Her vote today was way out there considering she did a list of his posts with no rel negative remarks on it....

this list includes my vote

wilwarin538 · 12-02-2009, 02:35 PM

K, so for a bit I thought I might go with Pitch, but I've decided it'd be best for me to stick with Boro as previously stated:

++Boro

And now I must study for realz...

Morsul the Dark · 12-02-2009, 02:36 PM

Mnem-2
Loslote-2
Boro-2
Lommy-1
Pitch-1
Zil-1
Nerwen-1

astounding vote list!

A Little Green · 12-02-2009, 02:39 PM

++ Mnemo

Going after my top suspect, since nothing devastating has happened. Check for reasons in my previous posts, I've ranted enough about her there. I might or might not post again toDay, I'm awful tired and need to wake up early so I think I'm going to bed...

Macalaure · 12-02-2009, 02:34 PM

Skimmed 2 pages, barely found anything worth commenting on. Maybe on a reread tomorrow. I'm getting vague bad vibes from Eomer, but can't go after that now.

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Originally Posted by Lommy

Fair catch

No, not a fair catch. If you accuse someone of not suspecting many people it means you have to look at all of their posts. Picking one is shoddy.

Jumpy? Touchy? *shrug* whatever...

Jesus, the voting is all over the place.

Mnemo leading by 2 over half the village with 1. Mnemo actually sounds like a ok choice to me.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 12-02-2009, 02:36 PM

There's a ridiculous smiley at the start of my last post. I'm sure one of you put it there, somehow... Please ignore it (I won't edit my post for fear of being labelled a cheat).

So many posts: I really need to start taking notes during the night phases!

Nogrod · 12-02-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I really need to start taking notes during the night phases!

You're that sure you'll wake up alive, now how come?

Morsul the Dark · 12-02-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

You're that sure you'll wake up alive, now how come?

good point sir, eh eomer

Morsul the Dark · 12-02-2009, 02:41 PM

Mnem-3
Loslote-2
Boro-2
Lommy-1
Pitch-1
Zil-1
Nerwen-1

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 12-02-2009, 02:42 PM

Hi Nienna, are you going to analyse Nerwen?

Inziladun · 12-02-2009, 02:45 PM

At this point, it looks like a vote for Eomer would be a waste, so that leaves it down to Mnemo and Lottie.

Mnemo has looked downright bizarre toDay. So much so, in fact, that it's hard for me to see a wolf acting that way.
Then again, I don't think I've ever seen her as a wolf, and the change in tone from yesterDay to toDay has been notable.

Lottie's vote was unexplained, and there are inconsistencies in her remarks toDay.

Hmmm.

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

At this point, it looks like a vote for Eomer would be a waste, so that leaves it down to Mnemo and Lottie.

Mnemo has looked downright bizarre toDay. So much so, in fact, that it's hard for me to see a wolf acting that way.
Then again, I don't think I've ever seen her as a wolf, and the change in tone from yesterDay to toDay has been notable.

Lottie's vote was unexplained, and there are inconsistencies in her remarks toDay.

Hmmm.

Fyi: As far as I can remember she's always been an ordo. So dunno. Maybe some secret something? Or maybe she's over her first-Night wolf jitters.

Nogrod · 12-02-2009, 02:52 PM

My gut-feeling actually agrees with Mac on Lottie's weirdness being probably less suspicious wolf-wise than Mnemo's...

Okay, a (relatively)newbie-wolf trying to exit looking like she was actually doing something to back her vote but fell drastically short. That kind of half-measure would actually be more believable coming from someone who is not making a hard judgement for real but just has to exit with voting someone... Well that just might make sense as well.

Hmm... A hard decision indeed as Mnemo clearly has been quite suspicious as long as she has been under some pressure...

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2009, 02:39 PM

Just copying my list and adding explanations.

Wolves:
Brinn: for reasons stated in my analysis post
Lommie: for just plain weirdness and not being ordo-Lommie like, and also for (in my eyes) trying to make me (and others) look jumpy who aren't; opportunistic
Nerwen: bad feeling and her vote yesterDay
Eomer: I keep forgetting about him and that's never good with him (really he could be moved down into the possible category but I needed a fourth and couldn't convince myself there'd be an all-female wolf pack again)

Possible wolves:
Nienna: don't like her vote and she looks too strange to me
Nog (meh): he's acting a bit strange but I really can't say either way
Pitch: another bad vibe, to be honest; I had evidence but can't remember what it was right now, so basically he's just acting strange and I don't like it
Shasta: rather the same as Lommie; grasping at straws for guilt
Greenie: another vibe
Lottie: acting shifty and with her votes and posting I don't trust her

Dunno:
Mnemo: she's actually moved up to the possible category now because she seems to be getting too buddy-buddy with me and while I love my duck (wow, that's lame, I can't find a good VeggieTales video for that) I can't help but feel something's wrong there
Dun (possible possible but was too shifty on him so I put him here): just another bit of shiftiness and I don't trust him on principle because he's sneaky
Morsul: no feelings one way or the other
Mac: seemed sincere enough yesterDay but can't decide, and now he's getting very strange so I'll have to take a look at him yet again
Boro: again, no feelings, although he seems to be a bit....don't know, but I want to take another look at him

Innocent/nothing:
Bes
Kehra
Wilwa
Sally (the former rather than the latter, of course)

Macalaure · 12-02-2009, 02:43 PM

Lottie -> Lommy (major eyeroll)
Kehra -> Boro (minor eyeroll)
Mnemo -> Pitch (don't like her cases much)
Nerwen -> Mnemo (trusting Nerwen at the moment, making me feel better about most probably following this vote)
Brinn -> Lottie (going after the weird one is not always the best thing to do)
Boro -> Inzil (I think Boro is a little off with some of his suspicion...)
Shasta -> Nerwen (so is Shasta)
Lommy -> Mnemo(2) (I don't know where to place Lommy in this game...)
Morsul -> Lottie(2) (same as Brinn)
Wilwa -> Boro(2) (not good, methinks)
Green -> Mnemo(3) (another person I trust going for Mnemo)

Actually, why wait now.

++Mnemosyne

Mac -> Mnemo(4)

Pitchwife · 12-02-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nog

*What me and Greenie just said*

Yeah. I know. Can't help it. I mean besides not liking their votes, I went looking for anything else that stood out as suspicious and found nothing. Sorry for saying so.

Nienna · 12-02-2009, 02:27 PM

I'm probably going to vote Lommy unless something major happens.

12-02-2009, 02:15 PM	#2
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	loslote voted for seemingly no reason... Mnem I have the same suspicions though not sure enough otherwise Nienna and Shasta and mac on day 1's vote seemed to be working together... __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

12-02-2009, 02:26 PM	#5
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Mac is getting weird and jumpy. (Ha! Fourth jumpy wolf!) Nog, on the other hand, seems more reasonable. Only the fact that Mnemo is gathering more and more suspicion is making me doubtful: like I've been telling people who never listen to me (), if someone who is not shouting a wolf is lynched with too much of a consensus s/he's probably an innocent. edit: xed with Pitchfork __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-02-2009, 02:21 PM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay. Looking at the list of votes gives me a few possibilities. Mnemo's voting looks especially weird and she's not the easy-going voice of reason she was in the early part of D1 - when not yet suspected. Pitch for being such a nice one taking care not to rub anyone the wrong way but still making an impression he's at it all the time and considers things for the good of us all. Nerwen I'm just having bad gut feelings and if I have time I'll try and look back for her a little bit to see whether my suspicions are valid or not (I wouldn't like to vote her with just this bad feeling). Lottie's vote is just plain odd and kind of scandalous, but is it evil as well? A tough call... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-02-2009, 02:28 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Mac, you're really too touchy this time around... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-02-2009, 02:33 PM	#10
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Mnem-2 Loslote-2 Lommy-1 Boro-1 Pitch-1 Zil-1 Nerwen-1 ++Loslote Her vote today was way out there considering she did a list of his posts with no rel negative remarks on it.... this list includes my vote __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

12-02-2009, 02:35 PM	#11
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	K, so for a bit I thought I might go with Pitch, but I've decided it'd be best for me to stick with Boro as previously stated: ++Boro And now I must study for realz... __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

12-02-2009, 02:36 PM	#12
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Mnem-2 Loslote-2 Boro-2 Lommy-1 Pitch-1 Zil-1 Nerwen-1 astounding vote list! __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

12-02-2009, 02:39 PM	#13
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	++ Mnemo Going after my top suspect, since nothing devastating has happened. Check for reasons in my previous posts, I've ranted enough about her there. I might or might not post again toDay, I'm awful tired and need to wake up early so I think I'm going to bed... __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

12-02-2009, 02:36 PM	#15
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	There's a ridiculous smiley at the start of my last post. I'm sure one of you put it there, somehow... Please ignore it (I won't edit my post for fear of being labelled a cheat). So many posts: I really need to start taking notes during the night phases! __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

12-02-2009, 02:41 PM	#18
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Mnem-3 Loslote-2 Boro-2 Lommy-1 Pitch-1 Zil-1 Nerwen-1 __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

12-02-2009, 02:42 PM	#19
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Hi Nienna, are you going to analyse Nerwen? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

12-02-2009, 02:45 PM	#20
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	At this point, it looks like a vote for Eomer would be a waste, so that leaves it down to Mnemo and Lottie. Mnemo has looked downright bizarre toDay. So much so, in fact, that it's hard for me to see a wolf acting that way. Then again, I don't think I've ever seen her as a wolf, and the change in tone from yesterDay to toDay has been notable. Lottie's vote was unexplained, and there are inconsistencies in her remarks toDay. Hmmm. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

12-02-2009, 02:52 PM	#22
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	My gut-feeling actually agrees with Mac on Lottie's weirdness being probably less suspicious wolf-wise than Mnemo's... Okay, a (relatively)newbie-wolf trying to exit looking like she was actually doing something to back her vote but fell drastically short. That kind of half-measure would actually be more believable coming from someone who is not making a hard judgement for real but just has to exit with voting someone... Well that just might make sense as well. Hmm... A hard decision indeed as Mnemo clearly has been quite suspicious as long as she has been under some pressure... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-02-2009, 02:39 PM	#23
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Just copying my list and adding explanations. Wolves: Brinn: for reasons stated in my analysis post Lommie: for just plain weirdness and not being ordo-Lommie like, and also for (in my eyes) trying to make me (and others) look jumpy who aren't; opportunistic Nerwen: bad feeling and her vote yesterDay Eomer: I keep forgetting about him and that's never good with him (really he could be moved down into the possible category but I needed a fourth and couldn't convince myself there'd be an all-female wolf pack again) Possible wolves: Nienna: don't like her vote and she looks too strange to me Nog (meh): he's acting a bit strange but I really can't say either way Pitch: another bad vibe, to be honest; I had evidence but can't remember what it was right now, so basically he's just acting strange and I don't like it Shasta: rather the same as Lommie; grasping at straws for guilt Greenie: another vibe Lottie: acting shifty and with her votes and posting I don't trust her Dunno: Mnemo: she's actually moved up to the possible category now because she seems to be getting too buddy-buddy with me and while I love my duck (wow, that's lame, I can't find a good VeggieTales video for that) I can't help but feel something's wrong there Dun (possible possible but was too shifty on him so I put him here): just another bit of shiftiness and I don't trust him on principle because he's sneaky Morsul: no feelings one way or the other Mac: seemed sincere enough yesterDay but can't decide, and now he's getting very strange so I'll have to take a look at him yet again Boro: again, no feelings, although he seems to be a bit....don't know, but I want to take another look at him Innocent/nothing: Bes Kehra Wilwa Sally (the former rather than the latter, of course) __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

12-02-2009, 02:43 PM	#24
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Lottie -> Lommy (major eyeroll) Kehra -> Boro (minor eyeroll) Mnemo -> Pitch (don't like her cases much) Nerwen -> Mnemo (trusting Nerwen at the moment, making me feel better about most probably following this vote) Brinn -> Lottie (going after the weird one is not always the best thing to do) Boro -> Inzil (I think Boro is a little off with some of his suspicion...) Shasta -> Nerwen (so is Shasta) Lommy -> Mnemo(2) (I don't know where to place Lommy in this game...) Morsul -> Lottie(2) (same as Brinn) Wilwa -> Boro(2) (not good, methinks) Green -> Mnemo(3) (another person I trust going for Mnemo) Actually, why wait now. ++Mnemosyne Mac -> Mnemo(4)

12-02-2009, 02:27 PM	#26
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	I'm probably going to vote Lommy unless something major happens. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!