WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Well, if you were in sally's position right now, would you want to be lynched?

(And no offense taken to the bad track record comment, for all the aggressiveness and noise I let out, it mostly turns out the end result wasn't nearly as good as the ride. I'm like the demented guy on the street, that people can't help but hear, but would prefer if I was stuck in my own little corner)

Edit: crossed with many

What, are you trying to make nice with me now?

I'm just sayin'. Boro's gone from "Kill Sally! Kill!" to "well, I suppose I understand where she's coming from". Anyone else find it strange, or is it just me?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm just sayin'. Boro's gone from "Kill Sally! Kill!" to "well, I suppose I understand where she's coming from". Anyone else find it strange, or is it just me?

Considering that I went from "I feel good about you" to "KILL!!" to "you're probably alright" within one day...

[Macalaure]

My Internet has become funky all of a sudden, so I better get this out now than maybe never. There's no real reason to wait anymore anyway.

++wilwarin538

[Nienna]

Morsul --> Morsul
Lottie --> Bes
Nerwen --> Nienna
Wilwa --> Nienna (2)
Eomer --> Sally
Bes --> Lottie
Boro --> Wilwa
Pitch --> Sally (2)
Mac --> Wilwa (2)

[A Little Green]

Thanks for the vote count Nienna! If the situation looks like that, I think I know what I'm gonna do. Of the three people with two votes, I feel the most suspicious by far about Sally. So:

++ Sally

For reasons, you can check my previous posts, I've talked enough of Sally there I think. Now I rather pass the computer on to Lommy.


EDIT: x-ed with Eomer

[satansaloser2005]

Gak! Of all the bad times to have to have people come in!

*catches up*


EDIT: x'd since Nienna's vote count

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, caught up (except for Shasta's epic post, which I'll look at in a second) and will look at that before I vote, but I think I'll go for Wilwa; I'm torn between her and Nienna to be honest, so I'm not entirely sure.

[Thinlómien]

Shasta posting a list at the last minute makes me suspicious of him, but the content of his post wasn't too bad. *shrug*

++Nienna

Of the three with most votes (her, Sally and Wilwa), she seems the worst to me, but I won't be exactly sad if Wilwa dies either. (Yes I know I'm heartless. )

[Macalaure]

Nienna will vote to save her, but we need one more...

[Nogrod]

We do have a funky internet as well... the best possible timing with three people trying to get online...

Okay.

I could go for Nienna or even Wilwa.

The way Wilwa went on "trusting my conviction" on D1 felt like something I didn't like at all. And I do find her act a bit too opportunistic - that fits her later moves as well. So a possible vote there as well.

But I'm not too sure Nienna is innocent either. On the contrary. I still suspect her - and the more people say she's innocednt the more I seem to suspect her seeing conspiracies all around...

Shasta: do you really think sopmeone is going to read and chew such a post ten minutes before the DL?

[satansaloser2005]

Crap. I'm really sorry, but I'm getting pulled away so I have to vote now.

++Wilwa

It's up to you, partners. Back hopefully in a moment.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

We do have a funky internet as well... the best possible timing with three people trying to get online...

Okay.

I could go for Nienna or even Wilwa.

The way Wilwa went on "trusting my conviction" on D1 felt like something I didn't like at all. And I do find her act a bit too opportunistic - that fits her later moves as well. So a possible vote there as well.

But I'm not too sure Nienna is innocent either. On the contrary. I still suspect her - and the more people say she's innocednt the more I seem to suspect her seeing conspiracies all around...

Shasta: do you really think sopmeone is going to read and chew such a post ten minutes before the DL?

I was typing it in Notepad and lost track of time. If you'd like me to summarize -

I could vote for Boro, Eomer, Pitch, or Nienna. I'd rather not throw away my vote, though....

Edit: X'd since Brinn.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Lommy

She's been very nice to me all game and somehow I get the feeling that if she was innocent she would've suspected me by now...

Have I been nice to you? I thought I was just ignoring you. I've been ignoring a lot of people admittingly, mostly due to my lack of time. I just don't have time to analyse everyone, so I just pay attention to those who jump out as suspicious to me. But I can suspect you if you like.

I don't really understand why my defense of Nienna is so suspicious. I just think it's a bad idea to lynch her toDay because she's been appointed toDay's easy lynch since the very start and it all looks too simple. If she acts suspicious in future Days to come, then my mind might change, but for now I won't be voting her.

[Nienna]

Morsul --> Morsul
Lottie --> Bes
Nerwen --> Nienna
Wilwa --> Nienna
Eomer --> Sally
Bes --> Lottie
Boro --> Wilwa
Pitch --> Sally
Mac --> Wilwa
Greenie -->Sally (3)
Sally --> Wilwa (3)
Lommy --> Nienna (3)

[Nienna]

++ Wilwa

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nienna, with additions

Morsul --> Morsul
Lottie --> Bes
Nerwen --> Nienna
Wilwa --> Nienna
Eomer --> Sally
Bes --> Lottie
Boro --> Wilwa
Pitch --> Sally
Mac --> Wilwa
Greenie -->Sally (3)
Sally --> Wilwa (3)
Lommy --> Nienna (3)
Nog-->Nienna (4)
Nienna-->Wilwa (4)
Brinn-->Sally (4)

Sorry, have to actually go through the list to check. Nope, everything else was out. So why did he make the extra step to vote Nienna? It seems so weird to me.

Maybe he knows what Legate's other secret event is? Perhaps it's making a lynch random in the event of an x+-way tie? Heck if I know, but it looks awkward.

[Nogrod]

Okay. Thanks Brinn for helping me out with the choice.

++ Nienna

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Of course, Brinn, everything must be complicated and have several intricate layers of deception and counter-deception.

The simple answer is often correct.

[Brinniel]

++Sally

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay. Thanks Brinn for helping me out with the choice.

Why? Because you think me against lynching Nienna suddenly makes her more guilty?

[satansaloser2005]

*sighs*

All that and I was only gone a couple minutes. I'll go catch up again.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

What, are you trying to make nice with me now?

I'm just sayin'. Boro's gone from "Kill Sally! Kill!" to "well, I suppose I understand where she's coming from". Anyone else find it strange, or is it just me?

Fine, next time I don't care what you have to say, I'll be so stubbornly pig-headed I'll refuse to admit when I made a mistake about something and lynch you anyway.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hi everyone. Made it back to see the fireworks go off.

Amused to see that certain people want to lynch me. There's not been a single reason other than "he feels like a wolf" or "his votes could have been wolf-on-wolf". I love how I'm being suspected for keeping my Mnemo vote til the end on Day 2: yes, I was hanging around til the deadline - what's wrong with that? I had still suspected Mnemo for pretty much the entire game.

One can easily say that any person in this expedition "feels" like a wolf: it's a nonsense, and completely meaningless. Might as well roll a die.

I'm happy that it looks like either wilwa, sally or Nienna is going to die: shows that the expedition hasn't gone crazy and is reverting to the simple decision.

If you want my adv-ice, don't bother with feelings. They're usually shaped by previous interaction with the other players and previous interaction has nothing to do with the players' roles in this game.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Boro - flipfloppy in #445, about wolf-on-wolf on Mnemo. Makes an assumptive generalization in #472 that I'm uncomfortable with. I will also note that though Boro thinks that a wolvish attempt to fenris one of their own is extremely unlikely (especially regarding Greenie), Mac's done it before and won. Suspicious of Wilwa for "deflecting suspicion" from [b]Mnemo[b] - I don't see it. Also, #482 is putting words in my mouth. I didn't jump on Nerwen's vote because I thought she was trying to save Inzil, I jumped on it because it would have killed Mac and I didn't think "dodgy reasoning" was a good enough reason to warrant that kind of vote. His point #2 in #491 is a load of bull (sorry, Boro, but it is) - when making a fake role, you (as a baddie) always want to be as "provably specific" as you can, because it's more believable. I have an example if you want one. (I was innocent at the time, but it still makes my point. ) Regarding #501, you should know by now that Nogrod has a grand old time playing devil's advocate. I actually wasn't suspicious of you until I began this Day 3 analysis, buuuuuut....

Eomer - considers Mac and Nogrod potential wolves, implies that Nerwen, Lommy, Greenie, and Pitch are all innocent. I felt odd about him Day 1, but this seems like a subtle attempt to remove some people from suspicion without actually coming out and saying same. My radar is bleeping, quite loud.

Lostie - #462, "most confident" in Nienna's innocence. Won't vote her today, though, on account of the reveal. #467 looks like it's in concert with Nienna to drum up different suspects, which seems off. I'm uncomfortable with her vote for Bes. I've noticed that it's been put out there that Lostie might be trying to pull a Ranger-protect in order to give the wolves a free kill - but why would the wolves sacrifice another of their own just to ensure a free kill, when there's an extremely low chance of a successful protect? If this were later in the game, it might be viable, but not with so many of us left.

Morsul - votes himself. Would a wolf do that? I don't see why they wouldn't. Not a definitive tell either way.

Brinn - a voice of reason in #469. However, there's subtle pushing against a Nienna lynch, which might tell us a lot. I still think there's some connection with Nerwen. Regarding #508 - just because you've acted a certain way in the past doesn't mean you can't change the way you act in the present.

Pitch - qualifier in #451. I've noticed he does this a lot, and it grates on me just a little. Wilwa notes that Mnemo concentrated on him and even voted him. I pretty much agree with Wilwa's assessment of him in #497.

Nienna - tried saving Mnemo two days in a row. Why didn't she vote Lostie instead of Lommy, though? Also, tries to make a bit of a mountain out of Nerwen's use of the word "dodgy". #466 looks like it's in concert with Lostie to drum up new suspects, which seems off. Makes me snicker wildly in #485.

Nog - #453 says a whole lot about what he thinks, without actually saying anything. Leaves a bad taste. Is silly and contradictory in #489, but it's not a major point. It's more amusing than suspicious.

Mac - is disappointingly aligned with Boro.

Sally - day 2 vote could have been a try at saving Mnemo. She also keeps semi-suspecting me for no reason, and I find that odd. Am I being set up for something? Example: #484, #488, and especially #515.

Lommy - I feel good about #483 (even if she does have me in the "probably guilty" category. ).

Nerwen - first vote for Mnemo. If I'm continuing with my line of suspicion, that's two wolf-on-wolf votes in a row... improbable. I'm starting to have a reversal on what I think of Nerwen, but it's been more because of Nienna's words/reactions than anything she herself has done.

Bes - apparently forgets there's a Ranger in this game? Probable newbieness, could have been instructed to play that up by a wolf partner? Vote for Lostie makes me nervous.

Wilwa - Something I've been meaning to answer for a while - Mnemo's #222 was a response to a question I asked earlier in the thread, about why it's bad to vote to save someone.

Greenie - Regarding #514: She did! What was I supposed to say? Also, I agree with her comments on Eomer in #535.

Note - I have only read to #537. I notice it's only about 13 minutes to deadline and I'd like to give people a chance to read the post I've been working on for an hour and a half.

Edit - formatting, and I probably X'ed a couple times.