WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Firstly: Well, there's the second of Legate's two mysterious events.

Secondly: Boro. Nog. Lommy. Bes. Two are wolves and two are seriously screwed up in the head because WHAT WERE YOU FOUR THINKING?!

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[Shastanis Althreduin]

Alright, having read the sacrifice rules, it's basically two lynches today, with the sacrifice happening before the lynch. Goody. That means we can get rid of two of the four people who killed Lottie yesterday, instead of just one.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh, and for reference, my personal picks are Boro and Bes. I'll be back later to explain.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Secondly: Boro. Nog. Lommy. Bes. Two are wolves and two are seriously screwed up in the head because WHAT WERE YOU FOUR THINKING?!

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Voting for someone who I thought was more likely a wolf than Lommy? If you're going to take that rude/offensive tone (fortunately family-friendly prevents me from using words I wish to use) and refuse to see that it was a necessary risk we had to find out than I will shove you through the key hole, or however it is someone is supposed to be sacrificed.

Even though you are probably innocent, get off your moral high horse.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Alright, having read the sacrifice rules, it's basically two lynches today, with the sacrifice happening before the lynch. Goody. That means we can get rid of two of the four people who killed Lottie yesterday, instead of just one.

That would be the most foolish thing we could possibly do at this time. I may not have lynched a wolf yet (how many for you Shasta? ) but at least I can say we haven't made ridiculous lynches based off emotion and flimsy vague feelings. If you want to blow our chance because you're po'ed, for some ungodly and unknown reason be my guest.

As for me, I say we sacrifice one and don't lynch. Preference right now is sally who can not possibly have had any good intentions from her posts yesterday at the end of the day.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Voting for someone who I thought was more likely a wolf than Lommy? If you're going to take that rude/offensive tone (fortunately family-friendly prevents me from using words I wish to use) and refuse to see that it was a necessary risk we had to find out than I will shove you through the key hole, or however it is someone is supposed to be sacrificed.

Even though you are probably innocent, get off your moral high horse.

"Glass houses," Boro. Ever hear of them? I absolutely defy you to try and dismiss what I'm saying as being "rude and offensive" when you're one of the ones who pushed through Lottie's lynch yesterday when you knew she wouldn't be around to defend herself.

Originally Posted by Boro

That would be the most foolish thing we could possibly do at this time. I may not have lynched a wolf yet (how many for you Shasta? ) but at least I can say we haven't made ridiculous lynches based off emotion and flimsy vague feelings. If you want to blow our chance because you're po'ed, for some ungodly and unknown reason be my guest.

As for me, I say we sacrifice one and don't lynch. Preference right now is sally who can not possibly have had any good intentions from her posts yesterday at the end of the day.

Stop putting words in my mouth. The most foolish thing we could do at this point is to not use our double lynch today, considering that both Gifted are still around. You can try and dismiss what I say as "Oh Shasta's just mad" all you like - it won't work.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

"Glass houses," Boro. Ever hear of them? I absolutely defy you to try and dismiss what I'm saying as being "rude and offensive" when you're one of the ones who pushed through Lottie's lynch yesterday when you knew she wouldn't be around to defend herself.

Seriously messed up in the head? And then the CAPS lock? You don't consider that a rude tone? Sorry, but I do.

Shasta, someone's gotta go every day. I'm sure Lottie might think it sucks, I don't know, but she should understand this is how it works. Is that cold? A little...I'll send Lottie a message or something to make-up for it. Offensive? No, it's a game we have to decide who leaves it. When we're wrong we wipe our hands and move on. It does no good to berate people for being wrong. So, like I said get off your high horse like you're some righteous innocent protector.

Originally Posted by Shasta
Stop putting words in my mouth. The most foolish thing we could do at this point is to [i

not[/i] use our double lynch today, considering that both Gifted are still around. You can try and dismiss what I say as "Oh Shasta's just mad" all you like - it won't work.

What words are you talking about? I said yesterday if people thought I was too big of a question mark, I would have been perfectly fine with being lynched. If it comforts you, you can sacrifice me today, if this is the way you're going to be I don't care at this point. But there is no way in hell we are killing 2 people today because you're emotions are high.

[satansaloser2005]

Oi! Boro, Shasta, chill. Arguing will get us nowhere.


So Brinn's dead, and toDay we must lynch two (more or less). I have an idea, and it may not be popular but I think it'll work.


I think the hunter should come out toDay.


There. I'll just let that sink in a bit, then I'll explain.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Seriously messed up in the head? And then the CAPS lock? You don't consider that a rude tone? Sorry, but I do.

Shasta, someone's gotta go every day. I'm sure Lottie might think it sucks, I don't know, but she should understand this is how it works. Is that cold? A little...I'll send Lottie a message or something to make-up for it. Offensive? No, it's a game we have to decide who leaves it. When we're wrong we wipe our hands and move on. It does no good to berate people for being wrong. So, like I said get off your high horse like you're some righteous innocent protector.



What words are you talking about? I said yesterday if people thought I was too big of a question mark, I would have been perfectly fine with being lynched. If it comforts you, you can sacrifice me today, if this is the way you're going to be I don't care at this point. But there is no way in hell we are killing 2 people today because you're emotions are high.

Calming down a bit...

Alright.

First off, I apologize for the first thing I said today. Believe it or not, I meant it to come out jokingly, and it didn't turn out that way. I didn't mean to insult anyone, and I'm sorry.

Secondly, I'm making such a big deal out of the way Lottie's lynch went down because I know there are people who act just like that when they're evil. Phantom is one.

Thirdly, the "words" I'm talking about are when you said I want to lynch people because I'm mad. Not true.

Edit: X'ed with Sally.

[Bes]

Without quoting, lots of people were apparently surprised by my vote yesterday. I really don't see why: Yes, I originally thought the Birthday Dreamer role turning Lottie into a wolf seemed awkward and out of place with Lottie's behavior. I also then found and posted evidence to the contrary, and read other people's takes on the situation before coming to a decision.

Sure, we were wrong and Lottie wasn't a wolf. We know this now, whee and such. That doesn't change that I had every reason at the start to think that Lottie wasn't a wolf, and after I had pretty good reasons to change my mind, with citation to boot. That citation was even backed up, using references to the role in yet another game. After that, whether or not the game started on Legate's birthday came into debate, some people saying yes and others no. Lottie was accused of being a wolf, looked like she was going down, and suddenly I was all suspicious for 'defending' her (selective reading? I guess so.) What choice was there but to vote for her? I mean, barring a throw away vote that had nothing to do with what had happened that day, or voting for Nog who at the time seemed to be making sense and had no other votes.

Anyway, why ARE you so emotional about the vote, Shasta? Is it just because you wanted Lommie to get lynched, or is there something else going on here?

All of that said, Nog looks odd to me now. It was a long while back, but I've shown that he knew exactly what the Birthday Dreamer role usually is before this game, but he acted like it was some sudden revelation yesterDay. It could be nothing, but it looks at least slightly suspicious now that we know Lottie didn't become a wolf I think.

Also, I bet I'll cross with a few, as usual.

Edit: Crossed with Shasta, Boro, Shasta, Nog, Shasta and Nog. I feel like I type slow now.

[Nogrod]

Oops...

(That goes both to the result of yesterDay and the events leading up to it + the sacrifice rule)


Shasta: even if I tend to agree with you that there is most likely at least one wolf in the three other Lottie-voters, I must say you are not making that case easier with that security of yours.

And even if I do apologise for leading you astray yesterDay, even if unknowingly, - and I do think at least one wolf picking that lead to hide behind it - I still think it was both a reasonable suspicion (the Birthday dreamer role was like I said earlier) and it cleared the last Days from the enigma whether to believe in Lottie's description of her role or not. We afforded even that wrong decision yesterDay... we probably wouldn't have afforded it toDay as well.

And btw. if you insist in your righteousness on Lottie, then how did you know it? For all I know only wolves knew she was an innocent yesterDay.

EDIT: X'd with the last Shasta

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Shasta: even if I tend to agree with you that there is most likely at least one wolf in the three other Lottie-voters, I must say you are not making that case easier with that security of yours.

I disagree, based on how it was thoroughly discussed yesterday there is more reason to think the wolves would want to keep Lottie around, because she was going to be a question mark for the rest of the game, or they could have just ignored it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

(the Birthday dreamer role was like I said earlier)

Clearly not, as Lottie dreamt of Pitchwolf and died innocent.

Edit: X'ed with Boro.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Let me explain my picks of Boro and Bes in more detail (I'm not gone when I thought I would be).

Firstly, of the four, Lommy had to save her own skin. I don't fault her for voting Lottie to save herself - in normal circumstances I'd probably have done the same thing.

Secondly, Nog was the originator of the theory that Lottie was evil. And while erroneous, I can maybe see an innocent Nog believing it. I find all three of Boro, Nog, and Bes suspicious, but the bottom line is that I find Boro's 180-jump on Nog's case more suspicious that Nog bringing it up in the first place.

As for Bes, that's the second time he's dived in out of nowhere and voted. A newbie wolf trying not to get caught? I'd like to get rid of Boro and Nog today, but that's probably not going to happen. Boro and Bes is more likely.

Edit: X'ed with Nog.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Clearly not, as Lottie dreamt of Pitchwolf and died innocent.

But an innocent knew that only atfter the DL yesterDay...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But an innocent knew that only atfter the DL yesterDay...

Not the point. You said that the role was like you said it was (the birthday dreamer taking the role of the person he/she dreamt) and it wasn't.

Edit: X'ed with Bes. The main thing is that her lynch was pushed through after she'd said she'd be gone for the day. Also, I considered her to be the closest thing we had to a cleared innocent, so yes, I'm a little irked that she was lynched.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Not the point. You said that the role was like you said it was (the birthday dreamer taking the role of the person he/she dreamt) and it wasn't.

Not the point...

I said it was a reasonable suspicion yesterDay as the role had been of that kind earlier (and btw. again, only the wolves knew yesterDay that was not the case this time around).

Heh, I think I see what you mean though; I seem to be missing quotation marks or a comma from there, or missing a word from there...

Originally Posted by me

(the Birthday dreamer role was like I said earlier)

Of course I mean that the role was earlier what I said it was - and we couldn't have known it was different now.

I wonder why you think it important enough to comment on? Why would I make such an obviously false statement like that?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I wonder why you think it important enough to comment on? Why would I make such an obviously false statement like that?

I thought it might be the language barrier. Okay. Sorry, Nog.

Edit: X'ed with Boro.

[Nogrod]

The problem I have now is the Night-kills... the last one especially makes me uneasy with just concentrating solely on Lottie-voters.

Does someone recall Nerwen being suspected in any serious fashion? Yet she's still alive instead of Brinn who was actually suspected.

Or is this just the thing the wolves wish someone of us to voice out without dirtying their claws with the issue?

Anyway, it would be hard for anyone to lynch Nerwen so why keep her around when Brinn would have been a lot more lyncheble? The numbers are quickly coming down and the probability of even a blind vote catching a wolf grows with every lynch so why leave "clean-looking" people around instead of lynchables?

And here I need to disagree with you Boro - at least for the time being (=have to think it over once again, but my guts say otherwise than you say). It might be a good idea to both sacrifice and lynch.

The old story: killing by voting together is the only weapon we have (now wolves have only 2 from 8 influence on that); letting the kill-decisions for Nights instead of Days we let the wolves to choose freely (unless the ranger saves it = 1/7 chance).

EDIT: X'd with a few Shastas and Boro