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Old 01-18-2010, 04:12 PM   #1
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Very nice question, but also difficult to answer since there really is no hint...
However, I have nothing to add to Inziladun's post, sounds how it probably would have happened, of course if Sandyman chose to remain in the Shire and integrate himself again.
I doubt that he left the Shire though...
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Old 01-18-2010, 04:28 PM   #2
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He might have. The book does say that after hearing of the Battle of Bywater, the southern gangs of ruffians fled "out of the land and offered little resistance to the Thain. Before the Year's End, the few survivors were rounded up in the woods, and those that surrendered were shown to the borders." Sandyman might not have been considered a ruffian in the same way as the Men who invaded the Shire, but I suspect he wasn't considered much better. Sam in particular bore him a strong grudge, and I'd guess that he would have tried to go into hiding, if he could. If he couldn't, I rather think that Sandyman and any other surviving Hobbits who willingly sided with and abetted the ruffians and Saruman were probably taken to the Thain -- and given that the Thain's son and heir was now a knight of the King, they may have been turned over to the King's Justice. I can imagine that Aragorn would have come up with some very inventive ways to rehabilitate Hobbits gone bad...
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Old 01-18-2010, 04:35 PM   #3
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I rather think that Sandyman and any other surviving Hobbits who willingly sided with and abetted the ruffians and Saruman were probably taken to the Thain -- and given that the Thain's son and heir was now a knight of the King, they may have been turned over to the King's Justice. I can imagine that Aragorn would have come up with some very inventive ways to rehabilitate Hobbits gone bad...
Aragorn would have been fair and just, but it's hard for me to see his making a special trip back North to handle what were really Hobbit affairs. For one thing, he had quite a bit to get into shape in Gondor, as the fact that he didn't accompany the Hobbits to Rivendell attests. And it was King Elessar himself that later made the law that Men were to stay out of the Shire, and held himself to it. I think he considered the Shire the same as Rohan: free people with the authority to govern themselves, under the friendship and protection of Gondor.
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:30 PM   #4
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Aragorn would have been fair and just, but it's hard for me to see his making a special trip back North to handle what were really Hobbit affairs. For one thing, he had quite a bit to get into shape in Gondor, as the fact that he didn't accompany the Hobbits to Rivendell attests. And it was King Elessar himself that later made the law that Men were to stay out of the Shire, and held himself to it. I think he considered the Shire the same as Rohan: free people with the authority to govern themselves, under the friendship and protection of Gondor.
Oh, I doubt that Aragorn would have come himself. But if I recall correctly, it is stated that the Shire does fall under the governance of the Northern Scepter (which wasn't much governance after the North Kingdom failed). Aragorn certainly would not have wanted to take away the freedom and self-determination the Shire had enjoyed, but after a period of severe instability, it would not have been unacceptable, I think, for he and the Thain to act together (through correspondence, if nothing else) to help restore the Shire in a political sense. Helping to deal with those who had done so much harm to the Shire could be looked upon as a good thing, especially if handled in such a manner that makes it clear the Hobbits, and their ways, are not going to be treated as if they have suddenly become vassals to another foreign power. As Pippin is already acting as a representative of the King, and has the King's respect, for that relationship to be extended to the Thain in a cooperative effort to bring miscreants to justice (particularly given that dealing with this degree of unlawfulness is a pretty new thing for the Hobbits) would not, I think, seem untoward.
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:52 PM   #5
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A solution all around could be for Sandyman to move to Bree. Commerce and trade would pick up there, and he'd probably be more comfortable in that sort of less provincial and exclusively hobbitish setting. (I'd imagine there'd be at least one Ruffianlyish house available there).
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Old 01-18-2010, 10:30 PM   #6
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Sandyman probably did what every successful businessman does when the side he backed during a war loses, he promptly changed sides and became even richer. It worked for many major businessmen in Germany, France and Italy after WWII. I don't recall Sandyman ever committing a felonious crime; therefore, he did just fine. Hell, even Lobelia got off scott-free.
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On the justice-system of the hobbits: We see at least one example of banishment. Granted it is not in the shire but in the vale of Anduin and it is rural comunity of Stores. Nevertheless Smeagol is clearly exiled by his clan.

This punishment he did not get for the killing of Deagol, because he is never blamed for that, but for his unsocial behavior (thus a misbehavior some what similar to that of Ted Sandymann).

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Old 01-19-2010, 06:56 AM   #8
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I don't think that Ted Sandyman, or any other Hobbit, faced any legal sanctions as a result of the occupation of The Shire. It would be difficult to decide who had co-operated willingly with Saruman's men and who had been coerced.
In my mind I can see The Thain, The Master and the Mayor making a joint statement granting a general amnesty for all offences committed during the occupation, giving everyone a fresh start.

As for Ted Sandyman, he would remain the same obnoxious Hobbit he always was. He would probably loose the tenancy of the mill and have to take a labourer's job, although he may have been the only one with the knowledge and skill to rebuild the mill after the new one was demolished. Either way, he would spend his evenings boring everyone in the Green Dragon, complaining how unfair life had become and declaring that it had been better when Sharky was in control.

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