What happened to Ted Sandyman ?

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Aragorn would have been fair and just, but it's hard for me to see his making a special trip back North to handle what were really Hobbit affairs. For one thing, he had quite a bit to get into shape in Gondor, as the fact that he didn't accompany the Hobbits to Rivendell attests. And it was King Elessar himself that later made the law that Men were to stay out of the Shire, and held himself to it. I think he considered the Shire the same as Rohan: free people with the authority to govern themselves, under the friendship and protection of Gondor.

Oh, I doubt that Aragorn would have come himself. But if I recall correctly, it is stated that the Shire does fall under the governance of the Northern Scepter (which wasn't much governance after the North Kingdom failed). Aragorn certainly would not have wanted to take away the freedom and self-determination the Shire had enjoyed, but after a period of severe instability, it would not have been unacceptable, I think, for he and the Thain to act together (through correspondence, if nothing else) to help restore the Shire in a political sense. Helping to deal with those who had done so much harm to the Shire could be looked upon as a good thing, especially if handled in such a manner that makes it clear the Hobbits, and their ways, are not going to be treated as if they have suddenly become vassals to another foreign power. As Pippin is already acting as a representative of the King, and has the King's respect, for that relationship to be extended to the Thain in a cooperative effort to bring miscreants to justice (particularly given that dealing with this degree of unlawfulness is a pretty new thing for the Hobbits) would not, I think, seem untoward.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

A solution all around could be for Sandyman to move to Bree. Commerce and trade would pick up there, and he'd probably be more comfortable in that sort of less provincial and exclusively hobbitish setting. (I'd imagine there'd be at least one Ruffianlyish house available there).

[Morthoron]

Sandyman probably did what every successful businessman does when the side he backed during a war loses, he promptly changed sides and became even richer. It worked for many major businessmen in Germany, France and Italy after WWII. I don't recall Sandyman ever committing a felonious crime; therefore, he did just fine. Hell, even Lobelia got off scott-free.

[Findegil]

On the justice-system of the hobbits: We see at least one example of banishment. Granted it is not in the shire but in the vale of Anduin and it is rural comunity of Stores. Nevertheless Smeagol is clearly exiled by his clan.

This punishment he did not get for the killing of Deagol, because he is never blamed for that, but for his unsocial behavior (thus a misbehavior some what similar to that of Ted Sandymann).

Respectfuly
Findegil

[Selmo]

I don't think that Ted Sandyman, or any other Hobbit, faced any legal sanctions as a result of the occupation of The Shire. It would be difficult to decide who had co-operated willingly with Saruman's men and who had been coerced.
In my mind I can see The Thain, The Master and the Mayor making a joint statement granting a general amnesty for all offences committed during the occupation, giving everyone a fresh start.

As for Ted Sandyman, he would remain the same obnoxious Hobbit he always was. He would probably loose the tenancy of the mill and have to take a labourer's job, although he may have been the only one with the knowledge and skill to rebuild the mill after the new one was demolished. Either way, he would spend his evenings boring everyone in the Green Dragon, complaining how unfair life had become and declaring that it had been better when Sharky was in control.

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[Tuor in Gondolin]

Just thought of something. It would be typical of hobbits
to have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, sort of
like in South Africa, to reconcile everyone as peacefully as possible,
given that it wasn't just Sandyman who "collaborated."

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by The Mouth of Sauron

Perhaps Ted was forced into an arranged marriage with a young harridan from the Sackville-Baggins brood. Punishment indeed.

I'm sure that would have led to outcries of protest from Amnesty Middle-earth and a flood of outraged letters to King Elessar, maybe even an appeal to the United Downs (q.v.).

Originally Posted by Morthoron

I don't recall Sandyman ever committing a felonious crime; therefore, he did just fine. Hell, even Lobelia got off scott-free.

Right. I'm sure he did his bit of sneaking and informing, but I doubt there was any such thing as espionage or 'collaboration with hostile invaders' in hobbit law, and anything below murder or armed robbery was probably dealt with by informal sanctions like shunning.
As for Lobelia, it rather seems she was celebrated as a heroine of the resistance after making such valorous use of her umbrella against the ruffians.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I think it would have been the easier, and in my opinion also most likely, that Ted would decide himself to leave the Shire. I mean, being a known traitor, with Sam as a neighbor, even if he proved forgiving, we all know how people like that act (like Saruman): not believing that somebody would forgive them, even if they will. So I think Ted would just flee, wherever he could go, just so that he does not have to endure the looks of his neighbors, perhaps also out of fear of punishment, which in the end might not have even come to place had he stayed, but of course he would assume the worst. As people like that in Middle-Earth always do.

[shadowfax]

Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

Just thought of something. It would be typical of hobbits
to have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, sort of
like in South Africa, to reconcile everyone as peacefully as possible,
given that it wasn't just Sandyman who "collaborated."

Don't know.

I think the Hobbits were too old fashioned and not sufficioently PC for that type of thing.

If somebody had done something evil, they were punished for it (after a Hobbit manner). If they had just quietly collaborated then it was theirs to hang their heads in shame. A lot of this aplologising in public that goes on these days isn't really genuine and I don't think Tolkien went for it. Forgiveness is a private thing that has to happen directly between those concerned and until recently it wasn't really considered right to go on about it in public.

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Hmm, perhaps given Sam's personal dislike of Sandyman and the damage he and his mill did to the Shire, he was sentenced to public service, and made to haul manure for farms and other plantings that didn't receive the direct benefit of the soil from Galadriel's garden. It would seem rather poetic justice.