Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A LIST OF SOME ATHANAR'S SOLDIERS (for the time being)

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ÁFORGLAED - younger (in early 20s after the timejump), somewhat "unlucky fellow" whose main problem is that he cannot foresee the course of his actions and because of his tongue which he just cannot watch well enough he can easily get himself into bad situations. Got himself into a brawl with Matrim, later avoided punishment. Is a buddy with Scyrr. Áforglaed is a bit of a coward, but also in the sense that if saying "sorry" is the easy way to solve the problem, he does it. And in that, he is honest (i.e. not hypocritically just saying "sorry" to get away with anything, he usually genuinely feels sorry, only in many times apologizing just might not be enough). View of Scarburg: in the beginning somewhat negative, although he has the good chance of adapting himself.

BALDWIC SON OF BALDWIN - young, a bit insecure and unsure of himself. Had "sort of befriended Wilheard on the way to Scarburg" (Lommy) and the two of them had been recently training together. Baldwic seems to be fond of Wilheard, and same the other way around, even though Wilheard thinks Baldwic "still a bit of a baby". View of Scarburg: not specified.

FEARGHALL - possibly a bit older and generally more experienced, a rather balanced person, calmness is his name (this far, in every scene where he was present, his only attribute expressed was being "calm"). View of Scarburg: so far somewhat positive, had been expecting worse.

SCYRR - the type of person who speaks his mind openly, no matter what others think. A bit arrogant and self-centered. He can control himself in front of higher authorities (to an extent), but to his equals or, Valar forbid, to those below him in rank he can be just downright mean if there is even the tiniest thing which might annoy him about them. In other words: if you are being annoying (and you are not being a noble or something like that), you just deserve to be informed about that (in which way might depend on the circumstances. If you are too annoying and seem not to be willing to change your behavior, you may as well be "cured" from your lack of manners by physical punishment). Scyrr feels "on the same boat" with people he has known for a long time, and definitely now, in "hostile environment" he is more likely to stick to his comrades from Athanar's household (even possibly Hilderinc, whom he finds to be an annoying man who does not stick with the collective, but now he is still "closer" than the "foreigners").
His character traits got Scyrr to being almost strangled by Erbrand, when Scyrr, being annoyed by the smell of Erbrand's tanning and after Erbrand dared to gainsay to him, got into a fight with the tanner.
View of Scarburg: definitely negative (but from the objective point of view, Scyrr complains about anything that does not suit him, Scarburg is just not an exception - that, however, does not make any difference on the outside). Where there is but a single thing to criticise, Scyrr goes for it. (He would, however, never dare to criticise - certainly not openly - anybody who is superior to him, which would likely include even the original Scarburgian "nobility" like Saeryn etc.)


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LINKED ~*~ Pio

[Nogrod]

Thanks for the NPC-list & descriptions Legate!

I will post the list as a separate post, perhaps pio could then link it to the character list just as NPCs, so that everybody can look it up if they want to?

I think that for a shortwhile they should be just here and we should use the NPC's a bit more to come up with some more characteristics to them. I mean if they are just scratches we shouldn't bother Pio with now linking them to the character-page and then with a need to edit them everytime we add on to their characters.


Also, feel free to "end the drill" if there is not so much to write there. You could write something between the soldiers after the drills - when they are just drawing breath on the fields they have been practising. In that way it would be easier to keep the timelines separate.

I mean if you write the soldiers back to the Hall we'll easily get confused with different timelines.


But that also means we should probably hurry up with any things that should happen at the Hall menawhile the soldiers are having their practise.

I'm kind of torn now between writing something for Athanar and waiting for Nerindel to come up with some ideas... Anway. I'll be having somewhat better time in my hands from Thu-Fri onwards so maybe I'll just wait for tomorrow at least before writing anything just by myself.

But yes, let's get this thing moving again... and I see you're doing just that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also, feel free to "end the drill" if there is not so much to write there. You could write something between the soldiers after the drills - when they are just drawing breath on the fields they have been practising. In that way it would be easier to keep the timelines separate.

Well, we are at least making a co-op post with Folwren now, which takes place during the training itself. But of course, if anybody wants to move on, it can be solved in some way... (but this far nobody seemed in particular hurry, and as you say, the other timeline is still somewhere else. And that said, we don't know how long it will take us to make this post - it can be quite fast, or not, it depends...)

[Nogrod]

Just post for any time of the day you see fit!

We can settle any time-frame issues afterwards to be sure - if those emerge in the first place.

Looking forwards to your drill-post!

[Nogrod]

Foley: I made the other kids to address Javan with a host of questions. Like kids do, everyone voicing their urgent desire for any news... So just think how Javan would manage that interest laid on him.

PS. If I don't hear anything from Nerindel tomorrow I will post something for lord Athanar to just get things rolling at the Hall (easing the task of bringing together the timelines of the drills and the Hall together)...

[Nogrod]

Add to Foley: I think the other kids hadn't wittnessed the last meeting of lord Athanar and Javan... so their imagination is based on the actual hearings themselves and thus have no idea about the latest events concerning Thornden beating him or what he had between lord Athanar and the apology accepted...

I think that would make a better storyline right here, but if you think differently, just go for it. I have no strong opinion on it either way.

[Folwren]

Great, Nogrod! I'll read it when I have time...I'm currently on break on class.

By the way, I have the impression that you're not so keen on corporal punishment, however well deserved. I won't defend Thornden or his actions, it doesn't matter, but I just want to say I didn't mean it to be a very bad thing.

-- Foley

[piosenniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Thanks for the NPC-list & descriptions Legate!

I think that for a shortwhile they should be just here and we should use the NPC's a bit more to come up with some more characteristics to them. I mean if they are just scratches we shouldn't bother Pio with now linking them to the character-page and then with a need to edit them everytime we add on to their characters.

I made the link before I read your post.

Just edit/enlarge Legate's descriptions as needed on his post - that way there is no need for me to edit the link.

Thanks!

~*~ Pio

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by piosenniel

Just edit/enlarge Legate's descriptions as needed on his post - that way there is no need for me to edit the link.

Okay, thanks!

Foley: are you thinking Javan is first going to find Aedre and then search for Raban? If yes, then I think we could write the other kids following him (heh, the only interesting action around there on that morning) - let's see how Javan reacts to them trying to follow him. And anyway, I'd like to see the scene where at least all the boys would end up with Raban, the two more than willing to learn things, and the one who would need to, being less enthusiastic...

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Foley: are you thinking Javan is first going to find Aedre and then search for Raban? If yes, then I think we could write the other kids following him (heh, the only interesting action around there on that morning) - let's see how Javan reacts to them trying to follow him. And anyway, I'd like to see the scene where at least all the boys would end up with Raban, the two more than willing to learn things, and the one who would need to, being less enthusiastic...

Sounds great to me. Yes, he's decided to find Aedre first and then Raban. This'll be fun.

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Ack! I'd forgotten that I had a post due for the kids! I'll try post this evening. Maybe for Saeryn, too.

-- Foley

[Folwren]

That post was written with extraordinary haste and has not much meat to it. Anyway, it sets the game up for the next meeting - that of Javan and Raban and possibly the other boys, too. Sorry to spoil their fun, but Javan was not about to go asking forgiveness of Aedre with a tail of three busybodies. Hopefully Thornden will see it his way if he gets back before Javan's had a chance to do his talking.

I will attempt to post for Saeryn later. If I do, Nerindel and I will have some opportunity to write some posts together.

I must trot, my break from class is nearly over. Later, folks.

-- Foley

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A very nice post for Coen, Dury - only *cough cough* Quin, with whom Hilderinc sparred, is one of Athanar's men as well, he's not from Scarburg...

[Durelin]

Oh darnit. I need to pay more attention! Going to edit now. Let me know if there are any other problems.

[Folwren]

Durelin, I posted a short post for Thornden. It is not very good, but I didn't know how to initiate conversation between him and Coen. Maybe you can do something with it.

-- Foley

[Durelin]

Foley - Feel free to wrap up the conversation as you see fit, or to continue it. I am up for whatever!

[Folwren]

I knew when I wrote that post that that question was worded in such a way that Coen could take it any number of ways, good or bad.

I am hoping to post something today sometime, but I'm not sure when.

-- Foley

[Durelin]

RL has eaten most of us, it seems. Anyone have a bit of time and interested in moving this ahead? Foley and I can always wrap up our conversation later on.

I guess discovering and dealing with the whole Scyld-Erbrand-Lithor mess is next? Perhaps Coen should meet with Athanar about the drills, to let them know how they went, and Athanar could ask how Lithor behaved or what have you (he was suppoed to be there for them, right?), and Coen will tell him that he wasn't there...?

Edit: Though I guess finding Scyld's the first thing. I guess I really should have had Coen notice he's missing. I'm not doing well with keeping track of people... Okay, so maybe I should have Coen find Scyld first.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Edit: Though I guess finding Scyld's the first thing. I guess I really should have had Coen notice he's missing. I'm not doing well with keeping track of people... Okay, so maybe I should have Coen find Scyld first.

Scyrr. Scyrr, Scyrr, Scyrr. Scyrr.

But I am definitely for kicking this up a bit. Let's start moving again. I guess some of the leaders should notice what happened or be informed about it, and then the information can be announced/leaked/whatever and all characters might react to the news.

Later today or tomorrow, when I have time, I might even recheck the thread to refresh my memory and start thinking what to write (and could even write something if nobody seems to be up to it...).

[piosenniel]

Let me know when to insert this post - HERE - and exactly where you want it placed.

~*~ Pio

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by piosenniel

I made the link before I read your post.

Just edit/enlarge Legate's descriptions as needed on his post - that way there is no need for me to edit the link.

I think it's good idea to do it that way. And Bilbo the silly hobbit started it, so Bilbo can also take care of editing it.

[Nerindel]

ÁFORGLAED - younger, somewhat "unlucky fellow" whose main problem is that he cannot foresee the course of his actions and because of his tongue which he just cannot watch well enough he can easily get himself into bad situations. Got himself into a brawl with Matrim, later avoided punishment. Is a buddy with Scyrr. Áforglaed is a bit of a coward, but also in the sense that if saying "sorry" is the easy way to solve the problem, he does it. And in that, he is honest (i.e. not hypocritically just saying "sorry" to get away with anything, he usually genuinely feels sorry, only in many times apologizing just might not be enough). View of Scarburg: probably somewhat negative, although he probably has the good chance of adapting himself.

Hehe I wonder how sorry he will be if he discovers he was brawling with a noble ;P

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Nerindel

Hehe I wonder how sorry he will be if he discovers he was brawling with a noble ;P

We could write about it and find out.

-- Foley

[Nerindel]

We could write about it and find out.

-- Foley

And Blow his cover! (you'll understand when you've seen mine and Nogrod's pm post )

Which reminds me would it be reasonable to assume that Lord Eodwine would have appraised Thornden of the situation between, Æðelhild, Matrim and Balvir?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerindel

Hehe I wonder how sorry he will be if he discovers he was brawling with a noble ;P

Now that's exactly what makes the story interesting, even if the characters themselves don't know it, but we as writers do

And as you all can see, I have posted our cooperative post with Folwren, which makes the training done at least from our part. Unless any other participants have something to do there (most likely from Durelin's side, if perchance Coen wants to say a few words or something), the situation is clear there and we can move on to post-training events - and tying up the loose ends with the Lithor/Scarburg "civilian"/whatever storyline.

[Durelin]

I'll post for Coen asap, wrap up the training from his perspective and start up a little conversation with Thornden. Unless you'd like to just move on completely, which is of course fine.

Sorry for the non-posting.

[Thinlómien]

Here's a slightly revised version of the scene by the river... It was more difficult to edit it than I thought because I didn't want to change Erbrand's actions or make him look like a total lunatic. Mainly what I did: 1) Scyrr's phrasings are slightly less offensive. 2) Scyrr doesn't continue the fight after he's already beat Erbrand quite badly without getting hurt himself. 3) Scyrr threatens to stab Erbrand with the knife if he doesn't let go of his leg (instead of just drawing it and intending to stab him). 4) The women act a bit more sensibly, not like two princesses or two hens. If you have further edits or edits to my edits, just go for it. And feel free to criticise my edits.

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Erbrand noticed some ladies fetching water from the stream that flowed into the marsh. The women were upstream and there was no worry about Erbrand polluting anything other than swamp water; however, it did not take long for Erbrand to find out their opinions of his revolting work. They sniffed the air and covered their noses. He could hear them exchanging some remarks and one of them was laughing. Erbrand could not stand being scorned at and his work being so unappreciated. In a rage he threw down his pole and angrily marched to where they were gathering water. They were not alone—there was a man with them. The two women were Ginna and Frodides and the man was a soldier, apparently ordered to help the two ladies and not enjoying his job.

The soldier looked up, grimaced and gave a snort. “Phhew! I came for drinking water, but looks like you came for a bath. ” Erbrand felt his rage rekindled.

“And who in tarnation are you to scorn me?” Erbrand bellowed. “Would you warm your hands in leather gloves? Saddle or bridle your horse? Do you dance to the sound of the drum or lace the chords of your armor? What about the bellows that heats the forge? It’s leather! Stinking leather. Do you want good shoes or do you not? Shall I create padding for the lord’s chairs? I hunt and trap for animals and I feed Scarburg with their meat and give people tools that make it possible for them to do their jobs. Why then do you scorn me?”

The soldier simply stared at him. Frodides and Ginna were doing the same although they were a bit more surprised at the outburst. Erbrand let out a long breath before finishing in a calmer yet sill annoyed voice.

“Now, let me get on with my scraper and dung, you hold your nostrils and hold your tongues.” Erbrand turned to leave when a pebble hit him in the back.

“Hey, tanner, watch your tongue.”

“I’m not in the mood today, soldier.” Erbrand said with particular emphasized scorn on the word soldier.

“Name’s Scyrr. And looks like you need to be taught some manners for your betters.”

That was all the provocation Erbrand needed. He spun round and with a mighty yell ran at the Scyrr. The soldier, however, expected this struck a sidelong blow sending Erbrand spinning but not falling. Frodides and Ginna yelled at the two to stop. Blood was spilt, it was too late as Erbrand made apparent as he untied his leather apron and tossed it aside. There was a wild gleam in Erbrand’s eyes as he rushed again. He leaped, hoping to tackle Scyrr, but the swarthy soldier stepped aside. Scyrr laughed as Erbrand spat tufts of mossy grass from his mouth.

"Hope you learnt your lesson, tanner."

Another exclamation of rage escaped Erbrand’s lips. Again and again Erbrand was struck down until his nose was bleeding and his gums were cut. For the fifth time Erbrand arose, sagging, bleeding and weary. Scyrr had been unhurt, keeping Erbrand at bay with ease.
“Do you still wish to continue?” Scyrr asked, smiling.

Again Erbrand rushed at him in rage. Again the soldier stepped aside, tripping Erbrand.
“Enough! Stop this nonsense!” Frodides exclaimed.

The soldier regarded the woman and turned back to Erbrand giving him a kick on the calf. It was not hard, nor was it gentle, but it was enough to excite an anger that surpassed any that Erbrand had known up to that time. Such was the treatment one gave a disobedient dog.

“I’m done - for today”, Scyrr said.

Whether Scyrr said this to frighten Erbrand or whether he said it because it was true, Erbrand never found out. In a fight anger is as good as courage. With fingers extended like talons, Erbrand’s hands seized Scyrr’s left leg with an iron grip and twisted it. The soldier gave a howl and collapsed next to Erbrand (who lost no time in returning Scyrr’s punishment blow for blow). This time Ginna took up the chorus with Frodides.

“Stop it! Fools. Before somebody gets hurt badly!”

The cry was not heeded. A knife flashed in the sunlight, it was Scyrr’s.

"Get off my leg or I'll sting you with this!" the soldier growled.

Erbrand struck relentlessly and hard. Soon he found his fingers around Scyrr’s neck, pressing harder and tighter.

“I am not some dog you can kick. I am a man! I am a man!”

Soft small hands grasped his and beat his strong shoulders. Erbrand let go of Scyrr’s throat. Ginna and Frodides knelt beside the Scyrr. He was not moving.

“Fools!” Frodides cursed.
Ginna's face was pale when she tried to find his pulse. “If he's dead ... Erbrand, if he's dead, you will hang for this.”

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I suggest Pio posts this edit after we either agree it's good or make some amendments and after Kath has done her possible amendments to the parting scene in the same post. I wrote on her wall in Facebook so let's hope she reacts in a few days...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Great job, Lommy. Looks fine to me.

Once again it made me think what reasons would Scyrr have to actually start attacking Erbrand like that - once again remembering that Coenred himself had specifically warned the soldiers against starting brawls - but hmm... now that I think of it... I actually started to recount possible reasons and it might as well be good for a post, some of Scyrr's inner thoughts after he's being transported to Scarburg... That would be quite good in this situation, wouldn't it? Speaking of that, who is going to meet him first? Who is he going to be "forwarded to"? I can make it so that the women will carry him there and then they will go to fetch somebody... and then "somebody" will definitely need to cope with the situation... and start solving it. I guess anybody could approach him, if you want to...

So I'm going to make a post for Scyrr. I assume we are not going to make any drastic changes in the course of events with Erbrand, and if so, I can always edit it.

[Thinlómien]

Sounds cool, Legate. If no one has anything against it, I would love to make Wulfric and Wilheard meet Scyrr first - after all, they are also coming back to the hall grounds from a bit further away, so they could spot him & the women before anybody else if they were coming from the same direction...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sounds all right to me. Feel free to have W+W come there and see Scyrr, I have written the women going away to fetch somebody, but you can choose one or both of them to reappear there or you can have W+W encountering Scyrr alone, whatever is better for you.