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Old 01-29-2010, 08:06 PM   #1
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Are we asking why Isildur, when under attack, went for a swim? Or why he was doing his Middle Earth victory lap? If it's the former, I'd think that it not only might have saved him, but aided his escape as don't the evil folk fear water, to some extent?
Basically, it appears that if Isildur had simply chosen to journey on the west side of Anduin, the swim across would not have been necessary. It looks to me as if he deliberately took the long way around.
Now, it can certainly be argued that if he hadn't gone for a swim in the Anduin, the Ring would not have been lost, and the whole of Third Age Middle-earth history would have been re-written. Fair enough.
Be that as it may, I simply don't see any likely reason why he chose the route he did.
If the Ring itself played a part, why didn't Isildur's Men, and especially his sons, question his decision to journey east of the Anduin? Going on the western side would have put them nearer the Mountains, and in a position where they could have received help from Lórien and Khazad-dűm. And as I said earlier, there was the Redhorn Gate that they could easily have used to pass the Mountains.
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Old 01-30-2010, 04:30 AM   #2
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Isildur would have known that Thranduil and the Elves from the Woodland Realm in Mirkwood had taken the same route on their homeward journey, east of the Anduin, not long before. It was therefore reasonable to expect that the route would be safe.

One thought though - why didn't Isildur use a palantir to scout the route ahead ?
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Old 01-30-2010, 10:36 AM   #3
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I don't think they could be used like that.

Palantiri were not really portable and couldn't see in the dark. Even if he had looked at the Orthanc stone it wouldn't tell him where the orcs would be days later.
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Could Isildur have been confused by the Ring? If it had started it's famous love-hate game with him, he could have wished both give it away and keep it at the same time. Elrond was with Isildur at the Cracks of Doom and tried to persuade him to destroy the Ring. Isildur could have thought that unlike to himself, Elrond was able to have it done and he needed to bring the Ring to Rivendel, but secretly. At the same time Rivendel was far away and the Ring could have influenced Isildur to take this long way as he didn't need to give it away too soon. He could also have been reluctant to bring it neither to Lorien, nor to Kazad-Dum, as there was a risk that someone else clamed it there.

These are some reasons that look possible for me.
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Could Isildur have been confused by the Ring? If it had started it's famous love-hate game with him, he could have wished both give it away and keep it at the same time. Elrond was with Isildur at the Cracks of Doom and tried to persuade him to destroy the Ring. Isildur could have thought that unlike to himself, Elrond was able to have it done and he needed to bring the Ring to Rivendel, but secretly. At the same time Rivendel was far away and the Ring could have influenced Isildur to take this long way as he didn't need to give it away too soon. He could also have been reluctant to bring it neither to Lorien, nor to Kazad-Dum, as there was a risk that someone else clamed it there.

Interesting. So the Ring wanted to forestall its being given away by Isildur?
The problem I see with that is that when Isildur set out from Osgiliath, it was still his intention to take the Ring all the way to Arnor with him, to have it be an 'heirloom of the North Kingdom'. It wasn't until the attack by the Orcs near Mirkwood that Isildur realised he lacked the strength of will to use it, and declared it should go to the keepers of the Three. Even then, I doubt very much he could have actually parted with the Ring if it came to it.
I guess Ibrin's thought that the Ring pushed Isildur to his route because of some connexion with those Orcs looks the most probable, but still...why were the Orcs on that side of the River anyway? They originally were assigned to harass any forces of the West attempting to cross the Mountains, a task at which they failed miserably, since they ran from Gil-Galad's Elves and the Men of Arnor marching to the War.
After Sauron's fall, they had been too cowardly to attack Thranduil's forces returning to Mirkwood. Why then did they not return to watching the Mountain passes? Surely I don't have to put this down to 'another Ring-event which happened because it was meant to'?
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