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Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
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If it was the name of a working inn, it would indicate a weird sense of humour on the landlord's part, and an even weirder sense of advertising. I mean, imagine yourself in the boots of a weary traveller stumbling across a roadsign 1 mile to Forsaken Inn! Wouldn't your heart be gladdened? ![]() OK, there's the possibility it had been restored and reopened after having been abandoned for quite a while, in which case people might still refer to it as the Forsaken Inn out of habit, and because it's easier to pronounce than TAFKATFI (The Accomodation Formerly Known As The Forsaken Inn). ![]() Or (as it's Aragorn who mentions it) maybe it was truly forsaken in the sense of no longer being a working inn, but frequented and maintained as an (unmanned) outpost by the Rangers - a place where they could find some shelter and firewood on their wanderings, perhaps a small store of cram and cured meat too. If it was a well-known place among them, that could explain the capitals.
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But look at the context– we've also got the Green Dragon, the Ivy Bush, the Prancing Pony... these are surely meant to suggest English inn names. Now, some of those are pretty weird, like the Hit or Miss, or the Quiet Woman (depicted as carrying her own severed head). So, I imagine Tolkien might well have meant the Forsaken Inn to be the actual name of the place.
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Wight
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Barad-Dur
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The Ivy Bush actually exists - on Hagley Road, Birmingham, England. It's believed that JRRT actually took the name from the pub.
The real Ivy Bush is full of Brummie Orcs. |
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Emperor of the South Pole
Join Date: Dec 2002
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I always pictured the Forsaken Inn in my mind as some sort of Middle Earth 'biker-bar' where the rougher crowd would go to be outside the jurisdiction of the Bree Shire Council to have fun.
I wrote a few "adult" fan-fics around this inn... ![]() ![]() |
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: May 2007
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Aragorn says that the Forsaken Inn was a day's journey east of Bree. When Tolkien began a recasting of The Hobbit (see The 1960 Hobbit, Return To Bag-End, John Rateliff) he wrote:
'Bree was as far as Bilbo's knowledge reached, even by hearsay. Beyond it the lands had been desolate for many long years. When in a day's journey more they came to the Last Inn, they found it deserted. They camped in its ruins, and next day they passed into a barren country with great marshes on their left as far as eye could see.' The Broken Bridge, The History Of The Hobbit |
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Wight of the Old Forest
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shadow of a doubt
Join Date: Jan 2008
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What Galin posted seems to have settled the issue with the Forsaken Inn, at least as far as I'm concerned. It was indeed forsaken at the end of the Third Age. But I'm digging Snowdog's idea as well. Bet it was like that in the latter days of the Northern Kingdom, when it was divided.
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Thanks for the Broken Bridge quote Galen! |
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