Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Isabellkya · 02-09-2010, 01:32 AM

I'm sure we'll find out what actually happened with the no-kill for certainty at the end of the game. Could've been forgetful wolves, or could've been The One Hit Wonder. Who knows, save for Miss Moddess; and of course the wolves would probably have an inkling.

a note/question or two that I made after Glirdan's lynching.

Wilwa, you said that you wanted to trust Glirdan, but said you'd stay neutral on him; yet earlier had stated that you felt good about him. So how does a neutral get a vote from you?
Also, you ended up voting for Rune. Why him over Nog and Loslote whom had been higher on your trust list? Whenyou'd stated that your last would go to Nog, Loslote, or Glirdan.

x'd with Nerwen and Loslote.

Loslote · 02-09-2010, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Isabellkya

a note/question or two that I made after Glirdan's lynching.

Wilwa, you said that you wanted to trust Glirdan, but said you'd stay neutral on him; yet earlier had stated that you felt good about him. So how does a neutral get a vote from you?
Also, you ended up voting for Rune. Why him over Nog and Loslote whom had been higher on your trust list? Whenyou'd stated that your last would go to Nog, Loslote, or Glirdan.

You know, the more I think about it, the more Wilwa looks iffy. Who did she vote before that? Fea and Form. Fea's been the amusing innocent the whole game - has anyone ever suspected her? I don't think so. A very safe vote. This is not to say I suspect her. Actually, I'm pretty sure she *is* innocent, which is why the fact that Wilwa and Glirdy both voted for her is a bit suspicious.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 02-09-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Fea's been the amusing innocent the whole game - has anyone ever suspected her? I don't think so. A very safe vote. This is not to say I suspect her. Actually, I'm pretty sure she *is* innocent, which is why the fact that Wilwa and Glirdy both voted for her is a bit suspicious.

I'm confused about why people voting for somebody you're pretty sure is innocent is suspicious. We are supposed to vote for people we think are innocent, right? So what's this suspicion for?

wilwarin538 · 02-09-2010, 09:11 AM

Fea, I think what she's saying is that you are a safe vote since so many vote for you, so it makes Glirdy and I look bad like we're just voting for you cause you're "safe", which a wolf would want to do. Which is odd, cause why does it only look bad for me, and not all the others who voted for Fea (since there are obvisously alot, considering she's been Simon twice)? So I get what you're saying Lottie, but I also don't completely understand it. Yes, that makes sense.

Whether the whole Lover Revenge Kill thing had happened or not I would still find Form innocent. Just because I don't get any bad vibes at all, and the whole Lover thing makes me feel better about him, since *most* of the time Lovers are both innocents. I of course could be sorely mistaken, it has been known to happen coughglirdancough.

wilwarin538 · 02-09-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

(In a similar vein, why the completely opposite judgements on Wilwa and Nog? Lottie?)

I am also curious about this, since Glirdy was far more adament about Nog's innocence then he was for mine.

oh, and

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Originally Posted by Sally

Glirdan was lynched. As Diller, he had plans to rule you all.

anyone have any idea what this might mean???

Talk people, I'm in class here bored out of my mind, I need some action!

I'm gonna go make a new list, some people have shifted around a bit....

Formendacil · 02-09-2010, 10:27 AM

Just in case any of you were unaware of this yet--it's really quite difficult to get back into the swing of a WW game when you've effectively missed Days 1 and 2. You remember what I said back on Day 1 about mixing up deadlines? Well... I agreed to play because I thought the deadline Sally gave me was 10:00 my time, not, as it in fact is, 8:00. You saw what happened as a result of this on Day 1... well, Day 2 was about the same. I was lucky I got back in time to vote at all. As far as the Lover Revenge Kill goes, we're talking about a process that involved Sally texting me while I was gone for the weekend, me not texting back until we were well into Day 2, and I had still not seen what had happened--I only knew that my beloved Nienna was dead, and I had to lash out in fury.

(By the way, I'm very grateful indeed to my dead Hunter-Lover for imploring Sally to give me my kill mid-Day, given how low a profile I was proving to have yesterDay.)

Anyway, there was definitely a question of "who to kill?" and I was working off a hazy memory of Day 1... while driving through heavy winds up the "interstate" (we don't actually have interstates in Canada, but this expresses better for an American what I mean than "highway"). The last I had talked with my beautiful Nienna, she had been hunting Zil and Mira--in that order.

Ergo, my village, we have a Known Innocent: Zil wasn't killed, though he was first pick. At least, this is how Nienna and I understood it. So even if you won't accept that I am a Known Innocent (though as near as I can tell from Sally's poem, I seem to meet the qualifications of the One Hit Wonder), I hope you'll recognise that Inziladun is.

Anyway...

Since Zil was innocent and Mira was dead, I was out of people to vent my distraught rage against. So...

Pitchwife wasn't exactly random, but he was a shot in the dark... which obviously went awry.

And that's the story of my foiled, mad attempt to revenge myself for the death of the Most Beautiful Hunter in the World. The world is now a sad, grey, empty place without Nienna! Alas, alas for our love!

Isabellkya · 02-09-2010, 10:47 AM

Yes there is going to be voting for people whom aren't on our to trust lists, but whom we may or may not want to protect.

However, I don't think it is an outrageous or bothersome thought/request - that people put game related reasons with their votes. Or some statement saying why they are voting x person over y person. Otherwise it leaves a giant gaping door open, for people to not commit to their thoughts. As well, as people being able to vote for someone whom they perhaps think is evil - and won't be called on it.

satansaloser2005 · 02-09-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Maybe there's a secret special role that's immortal, or something.

Moddess, do I have to use up my votes from yesterDay, or do I still have 4 as usual?

EDIT:X'd with Brinn.

Just use your four like normal. *nods*

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Originally Posted by Wilwa, re: Glirdan

anyone have any idea what this might mean???

Look at my and Phantom's narration. That'll give you a clue. (It'll make a lot more sense when I tidy up Mira and Nienna's narration and get it posted, which will happen soon I promise.)

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Originally Posted by Formendacil

Just in case any of you were unaware of this yet--it's really quite difficult to get back into the swing of a WW game when you've effectively missed Days 1 and 2. You remember what I said back on Day 1 about mixing up deadlines? Well... I agreed to play because I thought the deadline Sally gave me was 10:00 my time, not, as it in fact is, 8:00. You saw what happened as a result of this on Day 1... well, Day 2 was about the same. I was lucky I got back in time to vote at all. As far as the Lover Revenge Kill goes, we're talking about a process that involved Sally texting me while I was gone for the weekend, me not texting back until we were well into Day 2, and I had still not seen what had happened--I only knew that my beloved Nienna was dead, and I had to lash out in fury.

(By the way, I'm very grateful indeed to my dead Hunter-Lover for imploring Sally to give me my kill mid-Day, given how low a profile I was proving to have yesterDay.)

Anyway, there was definitely a question of "who to kill?" and I was working off a hazy memory of Day 1... while driving through heavy winds up the "interstate" (we don't actually have interstates in Canada, but this expresses better for an American what I mean than "highway"). The last I had talked with my beautiful Nienna, she had been hunting Zil and Mira--in that order.

Ergo, my village, we have a Known Innocent: Zil wasn't killed, though he was first pick. At least, this is how Nienna and I understood it. So even if you won't accept that I am a Known Innocent (though as near as I can tell from Sally's poem, I seem to meet the qualifications of the One Hit Wonder), I hope you'll recognise that Inziladun is.

Anyway...

Since Zil was innocent and Mira was dead, I was out of people to vent my distraught rage against. So...

Pitchwife wasn't exactly random, but he was a shot in the dark... which obviously went awry.

And that's the story of my foiled, mad attempt to revenge myself for the death of the Most Beautiful Hunter in the World. The world is now a sad, grey, empty place without Nienna! Alas, alas for our love!

Yeah, sorry about that, dear. My internet went out as I was trying to PM you and I wanted to make sure you had time do think of who to kill, etc. And then Nienna woke me up in the middle of a really nice coma to insist that I put up your narration and stuff. Be lucky that she was paranoid you'd die, or I'd have kept sleeping.

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Originally Posted by Wilwa, re: Nienna's list

That's how I understood it aswell. Cool beans!

Leaving for real now.

That is in fact how it works. Kudos.

And now I need some lunch. Emptying my PM box right now so if you've got any questions feel free to PM me and I'll get back to you ASAP.

Isabellkya · 02-09-2010, 01:59 AM

Votes as they were made, so ... kind of messy. In a sense.

SimonFea -> Wilwa (2)
Pitch -> Eonwe, Loslote
Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog
Pitch -> Nerwen, Fea
Fea -> Wilwa (3), Izzy
Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Wilwa -> Pitch, Fea (2)
Zil -> Nog (3), Pitch
Brin -> Izzy (2)
Fea -> Nerwen (2)
Wilwa -> Form
Rune -> Fea (3), Wilwa (5)
Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Wilwa -> Rune (2), Glirdan (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Nog -> Form (2)
Rune -> Form (3)
Eonwe -> Nerwen (3), Fea (5)
Nerwen -> Brin, Izzy (3)
Fea -> Eonwe (2)
Izzy -> Nerwen (4), Zil (3)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)
Zil -> Nerwen (5)
Eonwe -> Zil (4)
Eonwe -> Nog (4)
Form -> Zil (5), Wilwa (6), Rune (3), Izzy (4)
Izzy -> Brin (2), Rune (4)
Zil -> Brin (3)
Song/Poem -> Fea (6), Loslote (4), Eonwe (3)

Glirdan 2
Brin 3
Eonwe 3
Form 3
Izzy 4
Loslote 4
Nog 4
Rune 4
Nerwen 5
Zil 5
Fea 6
Wilwa 6

x'd with Loslote and fixed tags, strike through doesn't work?

Isabellkya · 02-09-2010, 02:21 AM

Why did you vote for Glirdan, Loslote? Or for any of the people whom you voted for?

In #215, you trusted Nog, Zil, Fea and were unsure, but leaned innocent on Wilwa, Glirdan, Nerwen, Pitch.

In #277 you voted for Zil, Glirdan, Nog

So how did the unsure Glirdan get voted for, above the trusted Fea?

I was skimming through the rest of your posts, to search for reasons as to why you voted how you did. And to be quite frank, I've noticed some blaring inconsistencies in your statements. I'll cover them in my next post, but right now my dogs are yipping and crying to go outside.

Isabellkya · 02-09-2010, 03:01 AM

#215

Trust:
Lottie
Nog
Zil
Fea

Unsure, lean innocent:
Wilwa
Glirdy
Nerwen
Pitchie

Unsure, lean evil:
?Brinn
Formy
Izzy

Suspect:
Steve
Rune

#276 responds to Eonwe's #230, Pitch's #269, and my own #270. But somehow missed/skipped over Nerwen's #225 where she asks Loslote about the placement of BRin and myself on her unsure, lean evil list; as well as why she suspects Rune.

#277
Votes for Zil, Nog and Glirdan.

#289,
"I trust Pitchie more or less, but don't really want to vote him. He seems to be getting enough votes to be safe for toDay - I think I'll leave it at that and vote someone I don't want to die but doesn't have many votes."

- At the time of her #289, Pitch had received two votes. Not entirely sure how that speaks of safety.

#305
Doesn't mind if Brin, Rune or Form go. Is considering voting for Nerwen, as well as Pitch or Fea for innocentishness or Wilwa for Simon.

#309Would like to see Rune go over Glirdan.

#314 Replies back to Brin. Says she would like to see Brin stay, even though earlier she'd stated that she wouldn't mind seeing Brin go.

#331

Trust:
Lottie
Nog
Zil
Glirdy
Fea
Wilwa

Unsure, lean innocent:
Nerwen
Formy

Unsure, lean evil:
?Brinn
Izzy

Suspect:
Steve
Rune

- Glirdan and Wilwa moved from the unsure-lean-innocent list, to the trust list. Form moved from the unsure-lean-evil list to the unsure-lean-innocent list.

#339.
Responds to Eonwe asking her why she posted her #215 list.
"*sigh* I did have suspicions of them at the time. I also had justification. What's happened toDay (with the exception of Formy, Wilwa, and Fea, who look better now) hasn't changed that much."

- How do Form, Wilwa and Fea look better?
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I'm still.. confused as to why she suspects Rune, and to some extent Eonwe. I don't think there were any explanations as to why people moved on her list, or as to their placement.

02-09-2010, 01:32 AM	#1
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	I'm sure we'll find out what actually happened with the no-kill for certainty at the end of the game. Could've been forgetful wolves, or could've been The One Hit Wonder. Who knows, save for Miss Moddess; and of course the wolves would probably have an inkling. a note/question or two that I made after Glirdan's lynching. Wilwa, you said that you wanted to trust Glirdan, but said you'd stay neutral on him; yet earlier had stated that you felt good about him. So how does a neutral get a vote from you? Also, you ended up voting for Rune. Why him over Nog and Loslote whom had been higher on your trust list? Whenyou'd stated that your last would go to Nog, Loslote, or Glirdan. x'd with Nerwen and Loslote. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

02-09-2010, 09:11 AM	#4
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Fea, I think what she's saying is that you are a safe vote since so many vote for you, so it makes Glirdy and I look bad like we're just voting for you cause you're "safe", which a wolf would want to do. Which is odd, cause why does it only look bad for me, and not all the others who voted for Fea (since there are obvisously alot, considering she's been Simon twice)? So I get what you're saying Lottie, but I also don't completely understand it. Yes, that makes sense. Whether the whole Lover Revenge Kill thing had happened or not I would still find Form innocent. Just because I don't get any bad vibes at all, and the whole Lover thing makes me feel better about him, since most of the time Lovers are both innocents. I of course could be sorely mistaken, it has been known to happen coughglirdancough. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

02-09-2010, 10:27 AM	#6
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Just in case any of you were unaware of this yet--it's really quite difficult to get back into the swing of a WW game when you've effectively missed Days 1 and 2. You remember what I said back on Day 1 about mixing up deadlines? Well... I agreed to play because I thought the deadline Sally gave me was 10:00 my time, not, as it in fact is, 8:00. You saw what happened as a result of this on Day 1... well, Day 2 was about the same. I was lucky I got back in time to vote at all. As far as the Lover Revenge Kill goes, we're talking about a process that involved Sally texting me while I was gone for the weekend, me not texting back until we were well into Day 2, and I had still not seen what had happened--I only knew that my beloved Nienna was dead, and I had to lash out in fury. (By the way, I'm very grateful indeed to my dead Hunter-Lover for imploring Sally to give me my kill mid-Day, given how low a profile I was proving to have yesterDay.) Anyway, there was definitely a question of "who to kill?" and I was working off a hazy memory of Day 1... while driving through heavy winds up the "interstate" (we don't actually have interstates in Canada, but this expresses better for an American what I mean than "highway"). The last I had talked with my beautiful Nienna, she had been hunting Zil and Mira--in that order. Ergo, my village, we have a Known Innocent: Zil wasn't killed, though he was first pick. At least, this is how Nienna and I understood it. So even if you won't accept that I am a Known Innocent (though as near as I can tell from Sally's poem, I seem to meet the qualifications of the One Hit Wonder), I hope you'll recognise that Inziladun is. Anyway... Since Zil was innocent and Mira was dead, I was out of people to vent my distraught rage against. So... Pitchwife wasn't exactly random, but he was a shot in the dark... which obviously went awry. And that's the story of my foiled, mad attempt to revenge myself for the death of the Most Beautiful Hunter in the World. The world is now a sad, grey, empty place without Nienna! Alas, alas for our love! __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

02-09-2010, 10:47 AM	#7
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Yes there is going to be voting for people whom aren't on our to trust lists, but whom we may or may not want to protect. However, I don't think it is an outrageous or bothersome thought/request - that people put game related reasons with their votes. Or some statement saying why they are voting x person over y person. Otherwise it leaves a giant gaping door open, for people to not commit to their thoughts. As well, as people being able to vote for someone whom they perhaps think is evil - and won't be called on it. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

02-09-2010, 01:59 AM	#9
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Votes as they were made, so ... kind of messy. In a sense. SimonFea -> Wilwa (2) Pitch -> Eonwe, Loslote Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog Pitch -> Nerwen, Fea Fea -> Wilwa (3), Izzy Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2) Wilwa -> Pitch, Fea (2) Zil -> Nog (3), Pitch Brin -> Izzy (2) Fea -> Nerwen (2) Wilwa -> Form Rune -> Fea (3), Wilwa (5) Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2) Wilwa -> Rune (2), Glirdan (2) Glirdan -> Fea (4) Nog -> Form (2) Rune -> Form (3) Eonwe -> Nerwen (3), Fea (5) Nerwen -> Brin, Izzy (3) Fea -> Eonwe (2) Izzy -> Nerwen (4), Zil (3) Glirdan -> Loslote (3) Zil -> Nerwen (5) Eonwe -> Zil (4) Eonwe -> Nog (4) Form -> Zil (5), Wilwa (6), Rune (3), Izzy (4) Izzy -> Brin (2), Rune (4) Zil -> Brin (3) Song/Poem -> Fea (6), Loslote (4), Eonwe (3) Glirdan 2 Brin 3 Eonwe 3 Form 3 Izzy 4 Loslote 4 Nog 4 Rune 4 Nerwen 5 Zil 5 Fea 6 Wilwa 6 x'd with Loslote and fixed tags, strike through doesn't work? __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

02-09-2010, 02:21 AM	#10
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Why did you vote for Glirdan, Loslote? Or for any of the people whom you voted for? In #215, you trusted Nog, Zil, Fea and were unsure, but leaned innocent on Wilwa, Glirdan, Nerwen, Pitch. In #277 you voted for Zil, Glirdan, Nog So how did the unsure Glirdan get voted for, above the trusted Fea? I was skimming through the rest of your posts, to search for reasons as to why you voted how you did. And to be quite frank, I've noticed some blaring inconsistencies in your statements. I'll cover them in my next post, but right now my dogs are yipping and crying to go outside. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

02-09-2010, 03:01 AM	#11
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Loslote #215 Trust: Lottie Nog Zil Fea Unsure, lean innocent: Wilwa Glirdy Nerwen Pitchie Unsure, lean evil: ?Brinn Formy Izzy Suspect: Steve Rune #276 responds to Eonwe's #230, Pitch's #269, and my own #270. But somehow missed/skipped over Nerwen's #225 where she asks Loslote about the placement of BRin and myself on her unsure, lean evil list; as well as why she suspects Rune. #277 Votes for Zil, Nog and Glirdan. #289, "I trust Pitchie more or less, but don't really want to vote him. He seems to be getting enough votes to be safe for toDay - I think I'll leave it at that and vote someone I don't want to die but doesn't have many votes." - At the time of her #289, Pitch had received two votes. Not entirely sure how that speaks of safety. #305 Doesn't mind if Brin, Rune or Form go. Is considering voting for Nerwen, as well as Pitch or Fea for innocentishness or Wilwa for Simon. #309Would like to see Rune go over Glirdan. #314 Replies back to Brin. Says she would like to see Brin stay, even though earlier she'd stated that she wouldn't mind seeing Brin go. #331 Trust: Lottie Nog Zil Glirdy Fea Wilwa Unsure, lean innocent: Nerwen Formy Unsure, lean evil: ?Brinn Izzy Suspect: Steve Rune - Glirdan and Wilwa moved from the unsure-lean-innocent list, to the trust list. Form moved from the unsure-lean-evil list to the unsure-lean-innocent list. #339. Responds to Eonwe asking her why she posted her #215 list. "sigh I did have suspicions of them at the time. I also had justification. What's happened toDay (with the exception of Formy, Wilwa, and Fea, who look better now) hasn't changed that much." - How do Form, Wilwa and Fea look better? ------------------------------------ I'm still.. confused as to why she suspects Rune, and to some extent Eonwe. I don't think there were any explanations as to why people moved on her list, or as to their placement. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.