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Old 02-28-2010, 12:27 PM   #1
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I was quite intrigued by one aspect of ArquenoSingollo72's original question (welcome by the way!)...could the three rings and their owners in any way correspond to the three elven kindreds?
Cirdan - Teleri
Gilgalad - Noldor (all we can assume with the absence of mothers in the genealogy)
Galadriel's foremothers are however mentioned and through them she has the blood of all three kindreds in her veins: Vanyar, Teleri and Noldor.

Elrond - he had the lot of course, Teleri, Noldor, Maia, the three houses of Men...all except Vanyar.
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Elrond - he had the lot of course, Teleri, Noldor, Maia, the three houses of Men...all except Vanyar.
If I'm not mistaken, Elrond's paternal great-grandmother, Elenwe, Turgon's wife, was a Vanya. So Elrond had it all, so to speak.
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Old 03-01-2010, 12:52 PM   #3
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Elenwe, Turgon's wife, was a Vanya
Now this got me interested, too - I'd not seen that before. I uncovered this bit of research:
http://www.silmarillionwritersguild....pdf/elenwe.pdf
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Now this got me interested, too - I'd not seen that before. I uncovered this bit of research
Interesting. It's strange, though, that the belief that Elenwe was a Vanya significantly predates the publication of the HoME books, and this outside of the fan fiction community (to which I was not introduced, LotR-wise, until the early 1990s, though I had been involved in the academic communities long before that). There must be something that prompted this belief, and someday, when I have the time for a good detailed digging through reference materials, I'll see if I can figure out where that came from.

Regardless, Elrond is still part Vanya. If one dismisses Elenwe's origins, then one can trace it through Turgon, as he is a grandson of Finwe and Indis, the latter of whom was definitely a Vanya. It seems that with very few exceptions, if Tolkien describes an Elf as "golden haired" (which is how he describes Idril in TS), somewhere you will find an ancestor of the Vanyar (which makes one wonder about Glorfindel and Thranduil...).
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Yes, I was thinking much the same thing: Idril's blonde locks are fairly conclusive evidence.
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In the Silmarillion (Of Maeglin): '... for she [Idril] was golden as the Vanyar, her mother's kindred, and...'

This can be found in the 1951 text, noted as 'A' in III Maeglin in The War of the Jewels. 'A' also noted that: 'Alaire, was of the Vanyar and would not forsake Valinor', which seems to agree with the unfinished early 1950s Fall of Gondolin (Unfinished Tales), that Alaire remained in Aman.

The passage describing Idril being golden (and so on) appears to have been taken up into the late typescript (see III Maeglin again, WJ) and received no change.
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