Admin Thread for LXXIV: War of the Wolves

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Question - what's the alignment of the person revived by the WereUnicorn (or the Unicorn, actually)?

The Revived is given a "dead role". That is, someone who has died is paired up with the role of someone else who has died. They could be on any team.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I think perhaps it may be a tad unbalanced towards the wolves. Since the Cobbler could potentially get an oppurtunity to communicate with the wolves, and then all the wolves having so much power, and 2 Night kills....perhaps the Cursed should be left out, especially if our number of players stays at 14/15?

Though the fact that the Wolves have to completely get rid of the other Wolf pack, and still bring the innocent numbers down to match, does perhap balance it more. But the innocents do have 6 people to catch, 7 might be pushing, especially since 7 would make up like half the village.

You of course do not have to listen to me. I'm cool with anything.

I could go either way on the Cursed question. What does everyone else thing?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

What happens if the (Were-)Unicorn is the first person to die?

EDIT: Stupid question, forget it. There will have been a lynch before they die, and thus a dead to resurrect in any case. Should have thought of that.
Otherwise, I agree with what wilwa said.

That's actually not a stupid question. If the WereUnicorn is Fenrised, then I'll wait until after the Nightkills to revive the person. The name will then be drawn from the list of the Nightkilled and the WereUnicorn themselves, as will be the role.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Loslote

The name will then be drawn from the list of the Nightkilled and the WereUnicorn themselves, as will be the role.

So when one of the Unicorns dies they could potentially come back to life as well?


And what if a wolf is chosen to come back, and comes back as an innocent. Couldn't they reveal all their packmates to the whole village? If so perhaps anyone who dies should come back with the same alignment, but the role could change. Like Bob is the seer!wolf, he dies and comes back when the unicorn dies, Bob goes back to the same wolf pack but is maybe now another role (like perhaps a hunter and an ord are the other ones dead, so Bob could be another hunter!wolf or just a regular wolf (ord!wolf?haha), but for the same pack he was in before he died). That would just make it so a wolf couldn't change alignments and then be able to reveal all their mates, and conversely it would decrease the chance of more wolves being created. But the revived still get a new role no matter what.

Did any of that make sense?

Sorry if I sound nit-picky. I just know a lot of unexpected situations can arise in games with a lot of new and never-before-seen rules, and trying to predict potential problems before hand could save a lot of trouble!

[Boromir88]

I must say I'm not sure this game is very balanced. It's not the 2 wolf packs. Sauce had a game he title blood bath because he had 3 wolf packs. However, they were normal wolves (so having 2-gifted wolf packs just looks too much for the innocents).

I don't know...it kind of seems like a role overload too, but my head is full on other things right now so perhaps I just need to digest everything.

[satansaloser2005]

*is boggled*

[Thinlómien]

I have to agree with those who say it's unbalanced to the evil side. The innocent have practically no chance of winning, unless we have 5-10 more players. It will be a horrible bloodbath with all the hunters, two packs of wolves and possible lover revenge kills. And if we have 13 players like now, more than half of the village is evil in the beginning and we have no ordos and not even all the special roles can be included!

I suggest at least three out of the four following, preferably all four:
a) removing the cobbler
b) removing the lovers and the anti-lover
c) removing the gifts from the wolves
d) removing the cursed
otherwise it's not going to work, at least by my logic. Sorry to say because it changes the game quite a lot... Or then you really need far far more players. This far there are already 16 special roles, so you would need more than twenty players to make this work, I would even say 25 with all this massacre...

I suggest reconsidering a bit. As a handy hint, make yourselves a demonstration to test the game mechanics: simulate the game and keep a tally. Just roll the dice to see who is lynched each Day and who is chosen by whom each Night. Try out with different starting roles until you find one that looks fair to all parties.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Lommy

This far there are already 16 special roles, so you would need more than twenty players to make this work, I would even say 25 with all this massacre...

And if we got to such numbers, I'd honestly have to withdraw, much to my own regret - I know my limits.
I'm afraid Lommy's right - all your ideas are really cool as such, and it's a pity to lose any of them, but they may be just too much to fit into a single game. What about making a choice and keeping the rest up your sleeves for next time around?

[wilwarin538]

Hmm. Well perhaps not necessarily getting rid of all the gifted wolves all together. Like 1 wolf pack has a seer!wolf, a hunter!wolf and a normal wolf. Then the other pack has the unicorn!wolf, ranger!wolf and a normal wolf? Too many seers/hunters/rangers can get rather out of hand. Then making the cobbler just a regular cobbler (not enough players though and he may have to go), no cursed at all, and no revenge kill from the lovers (just regular lovers that want to survive, and die together). Then I think that would be far more balanced. I love your Unicorn role, I think that's rather brilliant. What I suggested before about allignments would be the only thing I think you may want to change for that role.

Having 6 wolves certainly will not make it impossible for the village. Sally had a game with 6 wolves (I was one) and we still managed to lose, haha. So that's certainly not the problem. Just too many powers, too many oppurtunities for them to have more allies, and far too much death (yes, that is possible in a WW game, haha).

It's such a brilliant game Lottie, I can tell you guys thought this out a lot. It would be lovely to have everything the way it is, but it could very well result in your game ending far too soon.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

So when one of the Unicorns dies they could potentially come back to life as well?


And what if a wolf is chosen to come back, and comes back as an innocent. Couldn't they reveal all their packmates to the whole village? If so perhaps anyone who dies should come back with the same alignment, but the role could change. Like Bob is the seer!wolf, he dies and comes back when the unicorn dies, Bob goes back to the same wolf pack but is maybe now another role (like perhaps a hunter and an ord are the other ones dead, so Bob could be another hunter!wolf or just a regular wolf (ord!wolf?haha), but for the same pack he was in before he died). That would just make it so a wolf couldn't change alignments and then be able to reveal all their mates, and conversely it would decrease the chance of more wolves being created. But the revived still get a new role no matter what.

Did any of that make sense?

Sorry if I sound nit-picky. I just know a lot of unexpected situations can arise in games with a lot of new and never-before-seen rules, and trying to predict potential problems before hand could save a lot of trouble!

Actually, that does make sense, and it's something I'd never considered before. But...then the village would know, if an evil person comes back, they're still evil. So might have to think more about that.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I have to agree with those who say it's unbalanced to the evil side. The innocent have practically no chance of winning, unless we have 5-10 more players. It will be a horrible bloodbath with all the hunters, two packs of wolves and possible lover revenge kills. And if we have 13 players like now, more than half of the village is evil in the beginning and we have no ordos and not even all the special roles can be included!

I suggest at least three out of the four following, preferably all four:
a) removing the cobbler
b) removing the lovers and the anti-lover
c) removing the gifts from the wolves
d) removing the cursed
otherwise it's not going to work, at least by my logic. Sorry to say because it changes the game quite a lot... Or then you really need far far more players. This far there are already 16 special roles, so you would need more than twenty players to make this work, I would even say 25 with all this massacre...

I suggest reconsidering a bit. As a handy hint, make yourselves a demonstration to test the game mechanics: simulate the game and keep a tally. Just roll the dice to see who is lynched each Day and who is chosen by whom each Night. Try out with different starting roles until you find one that looks fair to all parties.

Personally, I wouldn't mind removing the Cursed and Cobbler, and switching the one Hunter!wolf for WereUnicorn, but I'll have to talk to Hakon before I can do anything drastic.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Hmm. Well perhaps not necessarily getting rid of all the gifted wolves all together. Like 1 wolf pack has a seer!wolf, a hunter!wolf and a normal wolf. Then the other pack has the unicorn!wolf, ranger!wolf and a normal wolf? Too many seers/hunters/rangers can get rather out of hand. Then making the cobbler just a regular cobbler (not enough players though and he may have to go), no cursed at all, and no revenge kill from the lovers (just regular lovers that want to survive, and die together). Then I think that would be far more balanced. I love your Unicorn role, I think that's rather brilliant. What I suggested before about allignments would be the only thing I think you may want to change for that role.

Having 6 wolves certainly will not make it impossible for the village. Sally had a game with 6 wolves (I was one) and we still managed to lose, haha. So that's certainly not the problem. Just too many powers, too many oppurtunities for them to have more allies, and far too much death (yes, that is possible in a WW game, haha).

It's such a brilliant game Lottie, I can tell you guys thought this out a lot. It would be lovely to have everything the way it is, but it could very well result in your game ending far too soon.

Like I said, I'm seriously considering getting rid of the hunters altogether. The Unicorns supposedly keep the game from ending too soon, plus with three Rangers running around, the Nightkills won't be so much of a problem.