T-I-G WW LXXIV: War of the Wolves

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Boro

Nog was in no trouble, and yes he's a likely wolf target...but seriously you can say everyone is a wolf target! Lommy, Legate, Pitch, Inzil, sally, Izzy myself, you...wilwa I swear everyone has been killed by the wolves on Night 1 before.

I think many of those people would have also revealed in this situation, atleast I would have anyway (and I've been killed first night only once in 20 games). But with potentially 2 Night kills it is a risk to not get that information known. I suppose it doesn't make "perfect" sense, but it makes more sense then the other scenarios.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

with potentially 2 Night kills it is a risk to not get that information known. I suppose it doesn't make "perfect" sense, but it makes more sense then the other scenarios.

Potentially what, 5 kills? Okay that would be tough luck indeed. But the potential is enormous, much higher than in a normal game.

Also I knew Lommy is a wolf and that made me think it highly possible she would like to affect her bunch they checked me - like I needed to know her first.

Okay. Good night!

[satansaloser2005]

Aaaand everyone just lazes for the rest of the Day.



Is anyone hanging around?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Is anyone hanging around?

I'm here. In a dress.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I'm here. In a dress.

[satansaloser2005]

*likes snuggles*


Kit-->Dun
Lommie-->Shasta
Nog-->Lommie
Legate-->Pitch
A bunch of people-->Lommie
Morsul-->Sally
More people-->Lommie


So....
Lommie: a lot
Dun, Shasta, Pitch, Sally: 1



Close enough?

[Inziladun]

Kit--> Me (1)

Lommy--> Shasta (1)

Nog--> Lommy (1)

Legate--> Pitch (1)

Sally--> Lommy (2)

Me--> Lommy (3)

Boro--> Lommy (4)

Pitch--> Lommy (5)

Wilwa--> Lommy (6)

TEW--> Lommy (7)

Morsul--> Sally (1)

Izzy--> Lommy (8)

x/d with Sally- no snuggles for me

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Question for the moddess: will we be notified when a wolf dies, of which pack they are from?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Question to the Moddess:
What happens if both packs together equal or outnumber the innocents? Do they devour the innocents jointly before turning against each other (as I'd assumed), or does one of the packs have to outnumber the innocents by themselves?

They do not. There can only be one pack to eat the innocents.

Snuggles to the first person to give me a vote count...

[satansaloser2005]

Kit-->Dun
Lommie-->Shasta
Nog-->Lommie
Legate-->Pitch
Sally-->Lommie
Dun-->Lommie
Wilwa-->Lommie
Pitch-->Lommie
Boro-->Lommie
Elf-->Lommie
Morsul-->Sally
Izzy-->Lommie


Which makes it Lommie 8, Dun, Shasta, Pitch, and Sally 1.

Yet to vote: Shasta, Nerwen

EDIT: x'd, lol. *snuggles Dun, btw*

[satansaloser2005]

And Silly Sally said to Little Lottie....why aren't you on IM? I miss you.

*zips it, for it be DL*

[Loslote]

"Oh, no!" wailed the villagers in carefully coordinated unison. "Lottie and Hakon are dead!"

"Wait, wait!" Sally said. "Try that line again, but this time to the tune of Yankee Doodle."

"Yankee Doodle?" Zil asked.

"Nah. Let's try singing it to a simple scale," Kit suggested.

Everyone tried it and agreed that they sounded good.

"We sound good," Nerwen said.

"We could form a band and go on a world tour," Wilwa suggested.

"Except for the fact that six of us are evil," Shasta pointed out.

"Well, other than that," Pitchie said.

"We could go Carribean," Izzy said, pulling out a couple of coconuts.

"Where'd you get coconuts?" Elfie asked. "We live next to Belegaer; there are no coconuts here."

"Maybe they migrated," Shasta said.

"Migrating coconuts?" Nerwen groaned.

"Maybe a penguin brought it," Boro suggested. All eyes turned to Lommy.

"Don't be silly," Nog said. "Penguins can't fly."

"Yeah, but if she tied the coconuts to her legs she might be able to float," Morsul said.

"Penguins can float anyway," Zil said.

"Penguins swim. They can't fly," Lommy said.

"Then how did you bring the coconuts?" Sally asked.

"I didn't!" Lommy said.

"I'm confused and my head hurts where someone dropped a coconut on it," Pitchie moaned.

"Let's settle this once and for all," Wilwa said.

"Yeah!" Morsul agreed. "Let's throw her off a cliff and see if she flies!"

"I was thinking we could just ask Izzy where she got the coconuts," Wilwa said. "But your way is more fun."

"Wait, what?" Lommy said.

So the villagers threw Lommy off the handy-dandy nearby cliff into the ocean. A few minutes later, a drowned wolf's body washed up onshore. It had a crystal ball clutched in its jaws.

~~~

Living:
Kit
Sally
Pitchie
Zil
Morsul
Wilwa
Boro
Nog
Shasta
The Elf-warrior
Nerwen
Izzy
Legate

Dead:
Lottie (amazingness itself )
Hakon (co-mod)
Lommy (seer!wolf for Pack Ladybug)

[Loslote]

"I'm scared," one of the Aphidian wolves whimpered. "Did you see what happened to Lommy? Those villagers are evil!"

"That's why we're killing Nerwen," xyr packmate said. "She's the scariest of the lot."

"Oh. Right. I forgot," the first wolf said.

But when they got to Nerwen's house, they realized they weren't alone.

"What are you doing here?"

"What are we doing here? What are you doing here?" asked one of the Ladybug Wolves.

"We're killing Nerwen!"

"Oh no you're not! We're killing Nerwen!"

"Oh no you're not," Nerwen agreed, and ran away.

"Now look what you've done!"

"Why is she attacking Sally?"

"I don't know, but somehow, I don't really mind."

"Noo!" wailed Sally. "Save me, my love!"

"I can not!" cried Shasta, kneeling beside her. "But I swear, by Day's end, I will have joined you in death.

"Why are they getting the spotlight?" Nerwen grumbled. "I'm the one getting wolf-killed here."

"Actually, we'd quite forgotten," an Aphidian admitted. "Thanks for reminding us!"

"...dang," Nerwen said. She tried to run again, but was too slow, and was caught and killed.

"Hmm," a Ladybug said. "Tasty enough, I suppose, but she pales in comparison to last Night's dinner."

"Trufax," an Aphidian agreed. "Too much running beforehand."

"Next time we mustn't let them run."

"Definitely."

"Hey, look! A cliff!" Morsul said, and jumped over it.

"What was that?" Shasta asked.

"He had to quit," Lottie said. "He can explain why if he wants to."

"Ah. Hey, wait - you're dead!"

"Oh, I'm just awesome. Don't try to understand."

"Okay."

~~~

Dead:
Lottie (delicious dinner)
Hakon (minion)
Lommy (Ladybug Seer!wolf)
Nerwen (Hunter)
Sally (Lover)
Morsul (Ordo)

Half-Dead:
Shasta (doomed Lover)

Living:
Kit
Pitchie
Zil
Wilwa
Boro
Nog
The Elf-warrior
Izzy
Legate

Commence Day 2!!

[Boromir88]

ahaha, the wolves actually go for the same person and there is still massive death....fabulous.

[Inziladun]

So...both packs went after Nerwen, who was the Hunter. She killed Sally, who was one of the Lovers. And Shasta was the other half of the Lover pair, and he dies at the end of the Day? And now there are five wolves and five ordos alive, including Shasta.
Nog?

x/d with Boro

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Nog?

After finally reserving our plane-tickets to the US I stalled in discussions on the healthcare bill in there and am awake still (seriously needs to go to sleep now).

But I have good and bad news to you.

The good news are, my dream was not wasted with the number of deaths that occured last Night.

The bad news are I can't produce a wolf to you.

Let's see some arguments. I'll take part as soon as my school-day is over.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

...Well that's fun. And me without my revenge kill.

[wilwarin538]

Wow, so our worst case scenario yesterDay of the hunter, lovers and whatnot all being chosen actually almost happened. Luckily they had both chosen Nerwen, or that could have been far worse.

I doubt anyone is surprised Sally was a lover, she practically admitted it yesterDay with the whole "I'm not on any team thing". Kind of surprised then that Nerwen hunted her, I suppose she must have not seen what I saw.

So 10 people left. Well ShastaLove will be dead by the end of the Day, Nog is the Seer, so that's 8 people left. 5 of them are wolves, the other 3 are what, Ranger, Unicorn and Anti-Lover? So we don't actually have ordos than? Is my math right?

If I'm right than Nog has dreamt of either the Ranger, Unicorn or Anti-Lover. If it's the Ranger he should stay quite, since they're crazy valuable. If it's the Unicorn I suppose it doesn't matter either way, since they're good to have alive, but if they do die we just get another innocent back anyways. Would be nice to have the Anti-Lover known, since they are fairly harmless, half their mission is done, they just want to live now, I actually like the idea of having a completely unbiased person around anyway, and that's one less person we have to worry about (though, actually also one less person the wolves have to worry about, and at this point having a harmless known innocent around should be the least of their worries).

*is excited to know, and is hopeful that it's what she hopes it is*

*goes to sleep*

Be back in about 10 hours.

x'ed with Shasta, and fixed some odd spelling mistakes

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Sally

I'm not quite dead yet.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Dead:
Lottie (delicious dinner)
Hakon (minion)
Lommy (Ladybug Seer!wolf)
Nerwen (Hunter)
Sally (Lover)
Morsul (Ordo)

Erm... what was it you were saying?

[The Elf-warrior]

I'd like to correct something I said yesterDAY. I also played Werewolf with the late Sally in Werewolf XLVIII, Virtual Reality. Wilwa, that "I'm on no team thing," passed me by. After I read about her desire to run away with Nilp/Shasta, I suspected they were lovers, but that suspicion slipped from me in the hustle and bustle of other things. Also, I realized that the lovers aren't really evil. I wouldn't have thought that a lover would be so blatant about it. When I read that the two were lovers, I thought to myself that I should have known.

Something caught my eye in one of Lommy's posts,

Originally Posted by Wolflomien

Izzy - gives me good vibes this far. No idea why since she didn't talk much more sense than anybody else.

Could Lommy have dreamed of Izzy? On the other hand, she may be Lommy's packmate. Or I'm reading too much into this statement.

Looking back at the rules, I noticed that a wolf!seer is told the gifts of his or her dreamee. Maybe Lommy dreamed of Nerwen and told her pack. However, this doesn't explain why both packs ate her. Was Nerwen putting out hunter vibes I completely missed?

I'm not surprised neither pack went after Nogrod. I think one of the trains of wolf thinking going on was that if they left Nogrod alive, people would be more likely not to trust him. This wouldn't neutralize his potential wolf reveals, but it would make people less likely to trust his analysises and innocent reveals. Also, it is/was likely that the ranger protected Nogrod. In conclusion, I don't find Nogrod's continued survival very suspicious.

Isabellkya, I think Morsul asked to be killed because RL was too encroaching.

"Hey, look! A cliff!" Morsul said, and jumped over it.

"What was that?" Shasta asked.

"He had to quit," Lottie said. "He can explain why if he wants to."

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

Something caught my eye in one of Lommy's posts, Could Lommy have dreamed of Izzy? On the other hand, she may be Lommy's packmate. Or I'm reading too much into this statement.

Lommy was a Seer!wolf, not the village Seer. I'm not sure why you think it's possible she may have dreamed of Izzy based on that quote. Why would Lommywolf say something positive about someone she had dreamed? She would only want to lynch or Night-kill them.

[Kitanna]

I..er...wow. That's...wow. Such the bloodbath last night.

Why would Lommywolf say something positive about someone she had dreamed? She would only want to lynch or Night-kill them.

If you look at the rest of that list Izzy is the only one she had felt good about. And she admits she has no real reason. It's a stretch that Lommy dreamt Izzy and revealed it in her first post, but maybe it's something to take into account. There is definitely something strange with Lommy's reasons for Izzy in that first post.

But in her third post she has this to say:

Nerwen seems genuinely innocent, which doesn't point at anything. Nogrod looks quite good too even though poor him is busy. I'm also quite liking Zil and Kit's recent posts. The problem is, it's very unlikely they're all good and innocent. Falling back to my old "oh no, I don't suspect anyone" habit, I guess... Not nice.

Lommy seems to give no reasons for trusting any of these people. In fact she's all over the place. I do believe she probably listed her dream, but by post three she's listed five people who she is inclined to believe are innocent and she only had one dream. I doubt she dreamt of Nogrod or she'd have tried very hard to have him lynched. Perhaps Nerwen was her dream? That would explain why at least Lommy's pack went after her in the night. However, by Lommy's post she's moved Nerwen to the enigma category. Me thinks my tired brain is looking for a hint in Lommy's posts that simply isn't there.

I will return after some sleep to make sense of Lommy's posts and my thoughts on them.

[The Elf-warrior]

Another correction. A wolf!seer only learns the gift of an innocent dreamee. At least that's how the modesses edited first admin post reads.

Originally Posted by Modess

The Seer!wolves receive one dream every Night. If the Seer!wolf dreams of a rival wolf, they are only told that the player is a wolf, not their gift. If the Seer!wolf dreams of a gifted, they are told what the gift is.

However, in a later post she says

Originally Posted by Modess

Simulation has been run. A solution has been found. However, I have not been able to contact Hakon to tell him, so please hang on until I can get confirmation.

The Seer!wolves can't see gifteds.

However, I think this later post has less weight.

Inzil, yes, I know she was a wolf!seer. I thought she may have been laying the groundwork for a possible fake seer reveal in future. A fake seer has to be accurate to believed, right?

Kitanna, I think Lommy might have dreamed of Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Lommy's first post

Nerwen - LYNCH HER! Erm... *cough*

Could Lommy have learned that Nerwen was the hunter? Not a certainty by any means, (after all, Nerwen expected such a reaction from Lommy anyway) but I think its a possibility.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

However, I think this later post has less weight.

Elfie dear, never take what I say when I'm arguing with Hakon seriously. Listen to the Admin thread, minions, Seer!wolves can see gifteds...

[satansaloser2005]

I just lost the game.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I just lost the game.

Yes...yes you did.

So did I, btw. Grr.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

So did I, btw. Grr.

Twice, actually. Hehe.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Twice, actually. Hehe.

...*facepalm*

Oh, and for all you people who aren't a Lover:

Muahaha.

[Nerwen]

Sorry about that, Sally (and Shasta).
I thought your lover-hinting seemed too obvious to be real.

*is an idiot*

*a dead idiot*

*shuts up*

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sorry about that, Sally (and Shasta).
I thought your lover-hinting seemed too obvious to be real.

*is an idiot*

*a dead idiot*

*shuts up*

Ah, more on that on the insane o'clock news.

*hugs you*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I must say that I didn't really believe this will happen, but as it's been said, at least there was one less kill than there might have been (resp. two less, although in such a case there would be at least one dead Wolf). If I were to find something positive about the situation, it's that a) there's been this both-packs-doing the same, which, if they are attacking Nogrod toNight again, will reduce the kills and with good luck one of the packs might be eliminated by a few Days (like by two Days), so there will be no double Night kills - that's not so much of a consolation, but anyway; b) such a thing will not repeat itself (at least not without at least one Wolf going down as well), c) there are still two Unicorns, so there are effectively +2 innocents in the game still.

Anyway, yesterDay was luck, for that matter, looking from the light of it, maybe Nogrod was really right to choose to act at this moment rather than later, because looking at the last Night's events, he might have been as well dead by now if he didn't reveal. So, good job, Nog! And maybe the timing was good too, as there was not much time for discussion (and I do not pity the unanimous voting list, as, honestly, we won't learn *that* much from the votes anyway with this kind of... people in the village).

That said, I am inclined to trust Nogrod. There is like a tiny possibility that he might be a WolfSeer, but it's basically illogical, as in a game like this there is NO reason for pretending to be a Seer in order to survive, as somebody will always want to kill you sooner or later (and if you are fake, somebody will counter-reveal). Unless he'd be really playing it kamikaze in hope that the game will end in two Days or something, but I don't believe that'd happen. And we'll see for 100% toMorrow, I'd just hope to think that the Ranger had bluffed.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I doubt anyone is surprised Sally was a lover, she practically admitted it yesterDay with the whole "I'm not on any team thing". Kind of surprised then that Nerwen hunted her, I suppose she must have not seen what I saw.

Interesting to note, as I have never noticed anything at all. That said, you spoke about Anti-Lover possibly coming forth, indeed AL is basically the last Ordo remaining (well, and the Unicorn, sort of), but I wonder if that makes any sense, because by people revealing, we are also making things easier for the Wolves. And then it's only a matter of strategy from their part and I doubt they would leave Innocents alone totally.

Shasta does not get a revenge kill, right?

Wait, so there are no Ordos at this point anymore? Wonderful. But that'd mean there was only one Ordo to begin with? (Poor Morsul )

What I find quite curious, however, is the choice of Nerwen by both packs, I think I will look through yesterDay. As in: was there no other choice for any of them?

I don't think there's a good deal to know whom Lommy dreamed about, but I am not sure if that knowledge would be any good to us either.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sorry about that, Sally (and Shasta).
I thought your lover-hinting seemed too obvious to be real.

*is an idiot*

*a dead idiot*

*shuts up*

And now, okay, even though I feel I should not quote dead people, I feel like a total idiot as well, because I haven't noticed any lover hints at all, where everybody else seems to have noticed.