WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Morsul the Dark]

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.

Other than that have 3 minutes till I leave for work won't get much done today I'll be on for an hour later at which point I'll have to vote.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Anyone who has played with her before in games which have a certain rule (which this game has) should be able to read her behaviour as well as I do. Provided that I'm correct, of course...

Ah, okay. Now I see (probably), whatever.

I'll be probably going now and back in... some hours. Rather later, I think, but still quite some time before the DL (of course before the DL, given that it's some 5AM my time).

[Loslote]

*removed smilies*

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Yay!! It's time to hunt for the Wolvsies and have some tea!! Speaking of tea...Sally would you be so kind as to move your furry little behind into a different pot? That's my homemade blueberry pie with raisins tea you're sleeping in....

Again, forced cheer in being anti-werewolf screams wolf.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I asked you to move, can't say I didn't....Sheez....Doormice...always so stubborn...

As for YOU Ms. Mira March Hare, I do believe you owe me an unbirthday present!! Yours is the tea by the way....If Sally ever decides to move that is.....And please be careful of the china!! I had to solve an extremely difficult riddle that Tweedledum set for me, made all the more difficult as Tweedledee was not there to put in his half of the riddle!

Oh, and Mira, I'm not so sure I agree with you that Fea's entrance was "smashing". YOUR entrance was smashing *looks at broken teacups in slight dismay*. Hers was rather...well...very royal like.....All up in everyone's business without saying anything. The polite thing to do would have to AT LEAST have sat down for a cup of my steeped tea (by the by Sally, I used some of your hair for that tea, hope you don't mind....I cut a slight clump off whilst you were sleeping in the pumpkin seed tea pot...).

As for all this Lottie nonsense....Well, I very much like singing. So I don't see anything THAT particular with her currently....but if she so much as touches my top hat.....

Oh, and Shasta Knave, I hear you don't get fed properly over at that castle....Would you like some tea?? Although take it to go, I don't know how well I'll be able to stand your elongations of the I's.....

Toodles for now, I must be off to get some more horse radish for my horse radish and beets tea!

Xed with Nerwen

Very early list/IC banter; he's already interacting a lot with Sally.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Sorry it took me so long....Those horse radishes were being rather stubborn, stampeding all of the place and trampling my feet.... Sheez...(AKA: Read the Admin thread). And now there are so many people that I don't think I have enough tea Well, we shall make do!! And Sally, what have I said about that tea pot!! Anywhoseits, I shall return again after I have read all these posts.

Banter with Sally again; says he's back.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

First off, hello wintywinty and welcome!! Second:

Oh my...he really does seem to be a plain old innocent for this comment....yet Nerwen brings up an excellent point:

He very well could be simply a confused innocent or a really smart wolfywolfy....Currently I'm inclined to believe the first.

And Nerwen's sigh threw me off there too...A sigh of exasperation. Perhaps either because she is exasperated with the newbie thing or perhaps a sigh of exasperation of her fellow packmate?

You would be too if you were as crazy about tea as I am!! Oh, and happy unbirthday!

Nothing about Day 1 is meaningless. What happens on Day 1 is our foundation for what is to happen in the later Days. Yes, most of the posting at the start is purely IC, random and sometimes completely pointless, but not always. There was a game not too long ago that I played where I got Hunter-Killed by a certain someone on Day 1 *coughMORSULcough* and most of that Day's discussion was purely speculation on some of the rules and thus led to the votes that were placed. (Or maybe I'm mixing that up with the game BEFORE it was restarted )

Come on now chica (sorry...just finished performing West Side Story last weekend, Puerto Rican accent still in head), you've played with me before, have you not? It was all IC posting at that point.

Sorry, would have posted more if it weren't for the fact that, as I have mentioned in the Admin thread, a good portion of the Day happens to occur during my sleeping hours and then six hours of schooling (with rehearsals every once in awhile afterwards) so I could not get much in other then IC stuff. By the way, it is a pleasure to play with you for the first time!

Love you too.

As for all of this retracting of the votes this early, I see the points raised on why it we should do it. However, personally, knowing my track record, I'm going to hold onto mine for a Day or two more.

As it stands I am still at a loss of who to suspect and who not to...Lottie kinda stands out for me right now, but that might just be because she thinks I'm a Wolf.

I'm giving Agan a vote pass seeing as it has been a year since she's last played. I'm also giving a vote pass to skip and ww as the newbies to the game....Which leave everyone else.....

Okay, I'm going to go do a little more scrutinizing after I've found something to eat....

Jumps on Nerwen and my points against WW and Nerwen, respectively, explains that Day 1s can be helpful, says he'll keep his retraction for now and says that I stand out as a suspect because I suspect him.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Quickly doing this for everyone:

Fea -------> Lottie
winty -------> Brinn (please correct me if I'm wrong on this....)
Lommy ---> Lottie(2)
Boro ------> Glirdan
Greenie --> Lottie(3)
Morsul ----> winty
Agan ------> Mira
Legate ----> Lottie(4)
Skip -------> Fea

Okay, will be back shortly

Vote count; not much there.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Okay, so I am back and with a slightly clearer (albeit, it's still a little hazed, not gonna lie) view on things.

Nogrod – Cheshire Cat

For some reason I never suspect this guy....Maybe it's just because he always comes across as the level-headed one among us (which is saying something this time around) or maybe it's just a charm he has....Although his vote for Fea has me a little worried. Voting for her simply for initiating the voting for Lottie? What reason is that? The bandwagon for Lottie (at least the voting anyway) did not start until well AFTER she had voted.....Hmmm....

Wintywinty – Tweedledum

Newbie pass

Boro88 – the Caterpillar

No read on him as of yet....Want to vote him but that would just be a retaliation vote

Isabellkya – White Rabbit

Has been rather quiet this time around. Maybe there is something RL that is preventing her from being here, or maybe it is a Wolvish tactic to try and sneak by?

Mira – March Hare

I have no read of my fellow tea patron

Sally – the Dormouse

Seems to be, well, Sally: Confusing and unreadable (and thank you for getting out of the tea pot!) yet I see nothing that indicates Wolvish behavior....yet.

Agan – Queen of Hearts

Giving a pass to her as she hasn't played in a year and I don't want to see her go just yet and has also been making some wonderful contributions to the game.

Inzil – King of Hearts

No read on His Grace

Shasta – Knave of Hearts

His vote for Greenie came out of nowhere and looks to me as if it is a Wolf trying to perhaps save one of his own from being lynched. Yet would a Wolf be so bold?

Lottie – Duchess

I don't know what to make of her....However, last time I played with her, we both were innocent and she got lynched Day 1....after having pinned all three Wolves on Day 1 (The sad thing is it happened to me on Day 2)

Nerwen – the Dodo

Seemed a little too overprotective of winty initially, but that could easily have been her being exasperated with the newbie.

Legate – Jabberwocky

Has definitely been one of the few people talking sense all Day. Yet his vote for Lottie has me a little perplexed. He stated that he did not like all the bandwagon votes and suspicions for her yet he himself later voted her? True he had stated suspicions of her for awhile, but his vote almost seems as if he's making it to ensure her being lynched....Hmmmm....

Morsul – the Mock Turtle

Has seemed very Morsul like....which bugs me....Yet last time I voted him, he ended up being the Hunter and he Hunter killed me....So I think I'm going to leave him be for the time being.

Nienna – White Queen

Seems to be flying under the radar....perhaps a little too much, at least for my liking. Wolvish tactic to stay clear perhaps?

Fea – Red Queen

Her vote for Lottie is the only thing that holds any suspicion for me, yet it could very well be a Cobbler tactic....However, as pointed out earlier, the Cobbler can prove to be our downfall later in the game. Or maybe the vote was simply to be rid of her retractable vote?

Skip – Humpty Dumpty

Also getting a Newbie pass

Lommy – the Gryphon

I have no read on her.

Greenie – White Knight

Her vote for Lottie seems kind of like a bandwagon vote to me.

Brinniel – Tweedledee

Her posts all well thought out and full of substance


Okay, will make a list, will post it in a few and perhaps with my vote as well.

EDIT: Xed with Zil, Boro, Moddess and who knows who else....

First off, I notice that he gives both long-time-away player pass to Agan and then also says she made "wonderful contributions" when he disagrees with her about retractables (which were the main issue).

Also he flip-flops about Legate, saying that he make sense but also that his Lottie-vote was worrysome.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

A Vote Update!


Fea -------> Lottie
winty -------> Brinn
Lommy ---> Lottie(2)
Boro ------> Glirdan
Greenie --> Lottie(3)
Morsul ----> winty
Agan ------> Mira
Legate ----> Lottie(4)
Skip -------> Fea
Shasta ----> Greenie
Sally -------> Legate
Nogrod ---> Fea(2)
Zil ----------> Mira(2)

Another vote count...

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Not Voting
Winty
Skip
Agan
Brinn
Morsul

Probably Won't Vote
Sally
Nerwen
Boro
Izzy
Mira
Inzil
Nienna
Lommy

Could Vote For
Fea
Lottie
Nogrod
Legate
Greenie
Shasta


By the by, this is not necessarily in order (as in the could vote for, just because Fea is at the top does not mean she's my top suspect)

EDIT: Xed wiht Lottie, Brinn and Izzy

List. He has all three people who could have been lynched in that list. Note that, I'll refer to it again later. He also spreads out Sally, Agan, and Greenie among the three categories. He keeps up Greenie-suspicion throughout but without making any real effort to suspect her.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

You know Lottie, I've read you're reasoning of suspecting me and I still don't quite understand it. Could I ask you to clarify?

Asks me to clarify my reasoning.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

You trying to *hint* at something here? Perhaps you're fellow packmates? But you know what, I know that you would not do something THAT obvious.

Can you explain to me how and when I have been fraternizing with Greenie and Agan? I have not said two words to either of them. As for Sally, yes, I have fraternized with her, IC, as, if you have read the books, our characters go together.

Edit: Xed since last post

Yeah, I was trying to hint. I couldn't just put Trust: Boro because that would be too obvious and suspicious, so I included Zil and Nog, who I was (and am) fairly certain about.

And perhaps fraternizing is not the right word. "Linked to" might be better...still not quite, though.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Post # 142 Read there.

And you would know this how? Only way you would be able to know anything about what I would do is if you're a mind-reader.

I knew you wouldn't vote Greenie because I was (and still am) fairly convinced you are packmates, plus you hadn't really put any effort into looking at her or suspecting her - just saying a general "she looks off".

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Okay, I'm going to vote.....

[*highlight]++Shasta[/highlight*]

Yes, this will probably end up being a throw-away vote, but I actually do find him a little suspicious. His vote for Greenie came out of absolutely nowhere and really had no substantial backing to it.

Votes Shasta for voting one of the people he said he suspected. He never really looks closely at him, although he (Shasta) does appear in his "might vote" category.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Well, I didn't vote Lottie cuz I actually think the bandwagon for her is ridiculous, I really do. I want to see her stay. She's pretty good at picking out the Wolves, why the get rid of her?

So you don't see why you should get rid of me, but you throw your vote away on someone no one has suspected at all anyway (rather like Sally's Legate vote, which is why I was confused earlier, sorry).

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Gah! Sorry I haven't been on at all today, haven't been home at all since yesterday morning and I'm just getting in now and have only been able to check up on who was killed and I am sad to see Boro gone. I am going to go back and read through things now.

EDIT: Xed with Greenie

Like I have said, the "I am sad to see Boro gone" line looks forcedly pro-village.

Conclusions: Glirdy looks very wolfly.

Pre-edit: I will have xed since Legate.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Loslote

*removed smilies*



Again, forced cheer in being anti-werewolf screams wolf.



Very early list/IC banter; he's already interacting a lot with Sally.



Banter with Sally again; says he's back.



Jumps on Nerwen and my points against WW and Nerwen, respectively, explains that Day 1s can be helpful, says he'll keep his retraction for now and says that I stand out as a suspect because I suspect him.



Vote count; not much there.



First off, I notice that he gives both long-time-away player pass to Agan and then also says she made "wonderful contributions" when he disagrees with her about retractables (which were the main issue).

Also he flip-flops about Legate, saying that he make sense but also that his Lottie-vote was worrysome.



Another vote count...



List. He has all three people who could have been lynched in that list. Note that, I'll refer to it again later. He also spreads out Sally, Agan, and Greenie among the three categories. He keeps up Greenie-suspicion throughout but without making any real effort to suspect her.



Asks me to clarify my reasoning.



Yeah, I was trying to hint. I couldn't just put Trust: Boro because that would be too obvious and suspicious, so I included Zil and Nog, who I was (and am) fairly certain about.

And perhaps fraternizing is not the right word. "Linked to" might be better...still not quite, though.



I knew you wouldn't vote Greenie because I was (and still am) fairly convinced you are packmates, plus you hadn't really put any effort into looking at her or suspecting her - just saying a general "she looks off".



Votes Shasta for voting one of the people he said he suspected. He never really looks closely at him, although he (Shasta) does appear in his "might vote" category.



So you don't see why you should get rid of me, but you throw your vote away on someone no one has suspected at all anyway (rather like Sally's Legate vote, which is why I was confused earlier, sorry).



Like I have said, the "I am sad to see Boro gone" line looks forcedly pro-village.

Conclusions: Glirdy looks very wolfly.

Pre-edit: I will have xed since Legate.

And again, Lottie, some of these points just plain stink. IC banter? Saying "I'm sad to see Boro gone?" I'm also noticing that all of your suspicions are reliant on all four being wolves; i.e. if you're wrong about one, you don't have much reasoning for the other three.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And again, Lottie, some of these points just plain stink. IC banter? Saying "I'm sad to see Boro gone?" I'm also noticing that all of your suspicions are reliant on all four being wolves; i.e. if you're wrong about one, you don't have much reasoning for the other three.

Not all of my suspicions are reliant on that at all. Some of my points are, and that's mostly just my supporting my theory that they are a pack. A lot of my suspicions stand on their own - particularly Sally and Glirdy and The Mysterious Case of the Throwaway Votes.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I sincerely hope that you will not succeed in your attempt. Talking about getting people lynched, I'd be interested to know who people are going to vote. I want to go to bed as soon as possible, but I'd like to hear some more opinions before voting..

EDIT: x-ed with Noggy, Winty & Glirdy

Sally or Glirdy (barring a Seer reveal). I'd consider voting for you or Agan, but to be honest, I'm *far* more convinced about those two. You and Agan I could be wrong about, I won't deny that - Sally and Glirdy I'm pretty darn sure about.

This is not to say I don't still suspect Greenie or Agan, just saying that I'm not positive anymore.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Something that bothers me is that Lottie has been pouncing on her four suspects for "acting too innocent", but misses this completely. Lottie, I realize you're a known innocent, but really? Just because you think you've spotted all four wolves in the first day doesn't mean you stop looking at anyone else and focus solely on those four. For example, several of the points in your "Sal-alysis" are pretty clearly grasping at straws.

I honestly agree with this quote by Agan:



I think you'd be a great help to the village if you'd take off your wolf-colored glasses.

You missed this quote of Lommy's back in #251:



But anyway.



Really? I didn't feel like you were ever a major candidate for the lynch... so why did you "have" to stay on the defensive?



Lottie has been doing the same thing and she's a confirmed innocent. In fact, she about said the exact same thing. I notice as well that there was a rather large amount of Sally suspicion before your post... so to me this looks a lot like a wolf trying to be the first vote on a wagon in order to look better.

And ha, Nienna thinks the same.





That was actually the second vote, and the way you said "oh well, guess it's a bandwagon now" kind of bothers me, not gonna lie.


Zil says this in #276:



...but then goes on to (seemingly) only consider Lottie's four suspects. Odd, that.




Doth I detect a challenge?

Haha, Agan agrees about Morsul too.






I disagree. I've been a frustrated innocent before (right, guys? *waves crossbow*) and honestly, Sally had just come back to two votes and a bucketload of suspicion. I'd probably be frustrated too.




Here's another quote that bothers me - you were looking for something to say that would make you seem more helpful?


I will say, after Greenie's #304, that my suspicion of her has lessened. Her defense of her vote seemed innocent to me.




More straws. One - this is a themed game. Two - why not be sad to see a fellow innocent gone? I don't agree with this reasoning and never have.


Hee hee. Legate agrees.




...And Zil agrees with what I said about Mira



Stop stealing my thoughts, people!




This bugs me. You say my reasoning is bad, but don't explain why.




This really bothers me too. I didn't have much of a read on Glirdan yet, but the tone of that remark was definitely bandwagonnish (especially since Sally seems to be the D2 easy lynch).


...and Greenie agrees.






Winty, do you think you could maybe say why you think that? Because as of right now it looks like you're just sheeping Lottie.

1. That's Morsul's style; he always sounds like that. Plus, it was about the lynch, something which he *would* have had a chance to affect. Agan and Glirdy's were about the Night kill, something which only wolf!them could have affected - thus acting surprised and sorrowful gives off the impression that they did *not* play a part in his death.

2. That sort of over-the-topness in banter and village-acting has always annoyed me, and I have suspected people on it many a time before.

3. I might have to look at other people. Agan and Greenie are being annoyingly innocent-looking. I might have to actually think now!

Joking, that. I have been thinking so far; I just haven't seen anything else that looked wolfly. I'll look closer, k?

EDIT: xed

[Brinniel]

Those hesitant about a Glirdan lynch:

Inziladun

I guess it's possible. And now that I think of it, if Glirdan had been lynched and he was a wolf, Sally could be in some pretty good graces right now, even without a false Seer-reveal.
Still, I don't know that it's all that likely Glirdan is a wolf.

Nerwen (bordering on wishy-washy)

Might well be. But again, if her cry of "Glirdan's a wolf!" was meant to be the start of her "reveal", I have to wonder why she left it so late.

Did she expect more people to pick up on her Seer-hints than was in fact the case?

skip

He came after Sally early, long before it became clear that either one of these two would die. I believe Glirdan proactively participating in lynching Sally is a sign of his innocence although not proof. At this point only a very shrewd wolf would actively go after a fellow wolf, because, let’s face it, a wolf lynched is a step towards a village victory, and an innocent lynched is a step away from that, there’s no getting around that simple fact. A wolf jumping on the bandwagon, yes why not, but actively working to make that bandwagon happen, I doubt it. I could be wrong and maybe that’s everyday business in the ww-world, but to me that feels like too much of a gamble for uncertain profits. For the moment Glirdan has redeemed himself.

Aganzir

Morsul looks better to me today, I can follow his logic about sally. However I don't think the fact that she tried to lynch Glirdan tells us anything about his role.

Those eager for one:

Morsul

++Glirdan

It got me one wolf so maybe It'll get me another.

Nienna

Morsul, that line from Sally has been bothering me as well. I think that the chances are actually quite high that Glirdy is a wolf. She may have been thinking that if I switched and he was a wolf she would be redeemed or she could make a false seer-reveal and if she was lynched it could be passed off as the meaningless banter of a wolf trying to save herself.

Lommy

I think it looks like Glirdan was Sally's fellow wolf, not because of any seer reveal plot (I don't believe in that) but just because it looks like that. I think Sally could've tried to make Glirdan look better - or at least make us really divided about him - by attacking him so strongly in the end. What he said about Zil makes me feel it's pure bluff meant to confuse us, and means Zil's probably innocent. She wouldn't have dared to highlight two of her fellows that way. Also, Glirdan's attack on Sally was very wolf-on-wolvish, I think Sally's mates would've known she's in trouble and used that to their own advantage... (not necessarily all of them, but at least one or two. Which makes me think, ha, we have only lynched a cobbler and a wolf this far. Go us!)

Wishy-washy:

Legate

Otherwise... as for Glirdan and Sally, I think sally's comment can mean either. Whatever is Glirdan's role, Sally either wanted to a) if Glirdan is innocent, to make us wonder about her comment, whether it was so obvious that it was Wolf-on-Wolf or something (the same btw. concerning her comment in her list about Inzil "he's innocent! Don't ask why, he just is" or how it was), and of course preferring if by any chance Glirdy was lynched instead of her - it would give her at least one more Night to live and make us waste yesterDay's lynch and then use toDay's lynch on her, or b) if he's her packmate, she really wouldn't care much whoever of them gets lynched, either way it will be a Wolf (that goes also for all the other Wolves voting, of course, let us bear in mind), and in such a case, if he was lynched, yes, she could gamble toMorrow with a Seer reveal or something (although I think it will be somewhat hard for her to get definite support, but it might lure the real Seer out, and in general sow confusion), or simply, if she was lynched (like she was), we might think that Glirdan was innocent because of all that.

Nogrod

(see post 486)


Votes

Morsul -> Glirdan
Brinn -> Glirdan (2)
Greenie -> Nogrod
Legate -> Inzil
Agan -> Inzil (2)
Lommy -> Glirdan (3)
Skip -> Shasta
Shasta -> Greenie
Nog -> Glirdan (4)
Zil -> Glirdan (5)
Lottie -> Glirdan (6)
Nienna - > Glirdan (7)
Nerwen - > Glirdan (8)

Who looks bad:

Legate: He was very wishy-washy with his thoughts of Glirdan, leaving the possibilities open but not really sticking to one side or the other. Then he ends up voting Inziladun.

Aganzir: That's a big maybe. She would look especially bad if Inzil is innocent since it'd look like she's trying to start another bandwagon. But then, Agan isn't the type to be hesitant about running over her packmates if it made her look better.

Nogrod: His wishy-washy attitude about it. He votes Glirdan but only until it looks evident that he probably can't be saved. An easy spot to hide in a bandwagon.

Nerwen: She seems slightly hesitant about a Glirdan lynch, but ends up going with the flow by the end of the Day...a bit suspicious to me.

Who looks good:

Lommy: She was pretty eager to lynch Glirdan from the start...too eager for wolf-on-wolf, I think.

Nienna: Same as Lommy, though not quite as eager.

[Thinlómien]

Back here.

Originally Posted by Shasta

However, Lommy did put forward that theory about a Shasta-wolf... it makes one wonder.

If it helps you dearie, my analysis this far looks like you're very unlikely wolf.

Not really anything else to commnet on right now.

Off to continue my analysis.

[Nienna]

I'm here. I don't really have much to contribute as people are already doing a thorough analysis of Greenie, Glirdy, and Nog. I'm working on a pretty massive project but I'll be in and out.

Nog is the most worrisome for me today. I would love to hear more from him but he's seeming very nonchalant.

[Thinlómien]

Decided to post my massive post in three parts. Two other parts still in progress...


General issues

Since I was rereading the thread I managed to glimpse the rules and noticed the Unicorn, of whom I had completely forgotten about. So we do have a chance to get Greenie back and tell her dreams! Yay. But of course, we shouldn't put our hopes in that, the possibilty that the Unicorn is going to bring her back and not someone else is quite slight...


Who could Miss Greenie have dreamt of on Night1?

people who didn't post anything before she left: -
people who only posted banter etc until after she left: Mira, Shasta, Boro (she xed with Boro's first serious post when she left)

Now, it's possible she dreamt of wolf Shasta on Night1, but then she would have come out if she also dreamt of wolf Nogrod, and as I feel quite confident about Nog's guilt, I think she didn't dream of Shasta ('cos she couldn't have dreamt of innocent Shasta either). However, if Nogrod turns out innocent, then looking at Shasta would make sense.

I think her Night1 dream was Boro or innocent Mira, her Night2 dream was innocent Skippy and her Night3 dream was wolf Nogrod. Ergo (at least until I complete my analysis on the wolves), Skip looks good to me, Mira possibly a bit better than before and Nogrod quite bad.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm quite irritated with the light of my life for being the next person to steal my thunder. I did say I was coming back.

Ah well.

Lommy, you might be about to address this in your "megapost", but do you have a reason for thinking Boro was Greenie's dream for Night 1?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Lommy, you might be about to address this in your "megapost", but do you have a reason for thinking Boro was Greenie's dream for Night 1?

Not really, except for that everything else seems more unlikely. That's the Night whose dream I'm the most unsure of.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am back here, but I feel sort of... exhausted. Well, been walking around the city for three hours straight and then two hours with an one-hour pause... spent the last half an hour with partially reading and partially eating. I think I will spend some time with the latter yet. My hands really don't feel like typing (although I have no idea what they have to do with walking, but it simply is like that), so for now I will limit myself to few one-line comments.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

(~~~) *grin appearing*

Uh-oh... This doesn't make any sense.

I mean really. There was that "you are no seer" -thing, but that's basically the only thing one could say that would hint towards her being the seer. So the wolves got really lucky this time. But getting lucky doesn't explain why they chose her. For some actual reason or just to confuse us?

Okay. One scenario: like someone said already, maybe they were taking even more heat than we know? Making a totally odd kill would keep us going around the subject for quite a while - and thus we might let our main suspicions from yesterDay to recede?

Well I'm not impressed by that interpretation but at the moment I can't think of a better one.

Btw. I do appreciate the effort of trying to figure out whom she dreamt of but as you can see, Greenie was clearly intentionally ambiguous about her knowledge... to a point we have no way of "knowing" anything from her posting (we should read her closely and try to form some opinions of them to be sure but I'm afraid that we can't quite trust those interpretations fully). It's always a bit unfair to speak bad of the dead, but I really think she should have been a tad more forthcoming with her knowledge. Maybe she felt she was safe, but going to N4 without giving even one clear hint is a little reckless.

And really, toying with a scenario. If I was a wolf and she had dreamt of me wouldn't she have said that openly? She would have gotten at least one more dream and the wolves would be down to one after you lynched me toDay. Also she could have thus given us all the known innocents (or even the last wolf!) she had clear and openly and not leave us into this interpretation-game over them.

I do think Greenie is smart enough to have gathered that.

Well, but obviously she didn't. One thing that comes to my mind is that if she didn't have really any strong support for her claim, especially if she e.g. has dreamed about some people who were already dead, she wouldn't dare to come forth. Heck, there is even the unlikely scenario that she dreamed about ONLY the dead people. (Although that's of course a bit over the top.) Anyway, I think Nogrod is a bit too "pessimistic" here - or also deliberately covering the fact that he killed Greenie. In any case, not being able to uncover anything is one thing, but denying the possibility and not even trying is another.

There are, from my point of view, basically two options. Either the kill was done to frame Nogrod and drive us away from the current (resp. yesterDay's) main suspects, which for me would mean e.g. Inzil especially, or the kill was done to kill a Seer, which would mean most likely a Wolfgrod. I can't see much of any other possibility behind these two and thus will be probably voting according to it toDay.

I agree with what Lommy says, and with what Brinn says here:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I do think the possibility of a Nogwolf is realistic. For one thing, I wouldn't be at all surprised that Greenie would choose to dream Nogrod, especially seeing the single comment she wrote about him before Day 3. And again, I don't see why the wolves would've chosen to kill her, unless they had a reason to suspect she was the seer. Her comments on Nogrod are the only ones that look potentially seerish...everything else she says seems a bit too vague. The question is would a Nogwolf kill Greenie knowing that if she is the seer it might put him in the spotlight? At this point, I think so. With half the team and their cobbler down, the wolves aren't exactly in a good position and couldn't afford a seer reveal. And a seer reveal could've been quite likely toDay considering Greenie might've been a heavy suspect after yesterDay. Looking suspicious is better than becoming a known wolf. If Nogrod is a wolf, it's best to keep in mind he would've been well aware that killing her would make him look suspicious if she did turn out as the seer, so I imagine that a Nogwolf would come into toDay prepared to defend himself.

Now it could just be that Greenie was killed at random, a lucky guess from the wolves that also frames an innocent Nogrod. But I still have trouble believing that simply because I wouldn't understand why the wolves would kill someone who had the possibility of getting lynched toDay unless they had reason to believe she need to be eliminated.

Let me also note that if Nog was a Wolf, if he suspected Greenie of dreaming of him, by leaving the Seer alive one more Night, he would also risk another of his fellows (i.e. the last one, in this scenario) being dreamt about, so it would definitely come to eliminating her as first priority. (Not to speak of the fact that if she revealed, the Ranger would've likely protected her at least for one Night.)

The main point for the reasoning that Greenie was killed because of Seerishness is still the fact that the Wolves did not kill Loslote, even though that would make the most sense!

So much for one-liners

EDIT: x-ed with 2/3 of Lommy and the rest

[Thinlómien]

Glirdan's interactions with people

Glirdan towards others

Day1
- banter with Mira and Shasta
- welcomes Winty and thinks him innocent although recognises Nerwen's point against him, banter defends himself against Lommy's "complaints" of banter, argues with Morsul about Day1s, apologises to Agan for lack of content and "flatters" her, loves Lommy for slightly dissing phrasing about him, gives a vote pass for out of game reasons to ww, Skip and Agan I think I'm becoming paranoid but this makes me slightly uneasy about Winty...
- never suspects Nog but is now worried about his vote, has no read on Mira, Lommy or Zil, approves of Agan's contributions and of Brinn's posting, suspects Shasta's vote yet sort of flip-flops, talks about Nerwen's protectiveness of ww, says Legate talks sense but doesn't like his vote, is bugged by Morsul because of a previous game, Nienna is too much under the radar
- not voting: Winty, Skip, Agan, Brinn & Morsul, probably not voting: Nerwen, Mira, Inzil, Nienna & Lommy, could vote: Nogrod, Legate & Shasta
- votes Shasta, admits throwawayishness

Day2
- likes Morsul's points
- asks Winty to explain himself
- thinks Legate has good points but is defensive, suspects him and ends up having him in his suspicion list sort of seriously, considers Agan defensive as well, doesn't want to defend himself against Lommy, agrees with Brinn, wants to hear more and is worried about Mira and Nerwen
- suspectes Winty based on Agan's point, suspects Mira based on bandwagon-suspicions against Greenie
- asks Nog for a clarification, rebukes Winty for not giving reasons for his vote

Day3
- wasn't around to say anything


Others towards Glirdan

Day1
- Lommy says he's too excited about IC posting but not necessarily guilty
- Legate notifies on his bantering
- Aganzir wants content from him... in the exact same words as from Sally! Curious incident...
- Lommy places him the middle of three categories, notes on there being little substance, banters
- Nog is annoyed and slightly suspicious of him because of his style
- Nienna has no read on him and puts him to the a bit less than a half of the village whom she could vote

Day2
- Morsul thinks him either suspicious or that "the wolves picked the person who pushed their cobbler friend over the edge"
- Lommy questions Lottie's wolf quartet suspicion which includes him
- Legate takes Lottie's aforementioned wolf quartet theory seriously
- Lommy disapproves of his reasons to try save Lottie
- Agan accepts his apology from Day1, comments on his points and says she likes him for now
- Lommy puts him to the most suspicious of five categories, doesn't like non-committal throwaway Day1 vote 'cos he suspected all the main lynch candidates
- Skip classifies him as a wishy-washy low-profile wolf candidate
- Zil says he'd like to have a closer look at him
- Agan has no opinion on him
- Lommy votes him
- Legate has no idea or suspicion on him
- Winty mentions him in shirriff speculation
- Legate says his sadness on Boro's death seemed more forced than Agan's, but doesn't like the point against them anyway
- Winty considers voting him
- Legate suspects he will be voted by many
- Nogrod says there have been some fair points raised against him
- Shasta doesn't have a read on him but smells bandwagonishness
- Shasta thinks some of Lottie's points against him "plain stink"
- Nog doesn't consider him as suspicious as Sally
- Winty answers his question
- Brinn thinks he has a fair point about Winty
- Skip votes him to open up an option for Sally lynch and says he's had vague suspicions about him all along
- Zil has a lots of points against Glirdy (won't recapitulate) and votes him

Day3
- Morsul thinks he's a wolf based on his theory of Sally planning a false reveal on Day2
- Zil thinks it's unlikely he and Sally were fellows given Sally's last-minute full frontal on him
- Zil admits Morsul's point but doesn't still think his wolvishness very likely
- Morsul votes him on gut-feeling, is confident Are Morsul's early votes to good to be innocent, asks I (like somebody already did before)?
- Nienna agrees with Morsul that Sally's post points at his guilt
- Zil starts to doubt his own earlier conclusion about G's innocence
- Brinn ponders the possibility of him being in cahoots with Sally, doesn't reach a conclusion
- Nerwen wonders about his conncetion with Sally, seems slightly more for than against
- Shasta agrees with Zil's previous Day suspicions of him but leaves analysing him to others
- Winty wants to analyse him and Sally's interactions
- Brinn uses him in a speculation over Nienna's role
- Lommy brings forth points against him and thinks he looks very bad but recommends looking at others too
- Lommy thinks he has funny wolvish giveaway bahaviour, uses him in a speculation over Nog's role and adds one more point against him
- Skip thinks his active pursuit of Sally makes him look innocent
- Nerwen disagrees with Skip's aforementioned point
- Skip wonders about him and Sally's Day1 banter
- Legate wishy-washes on his role and relations with various people (too long to recapitulate and I'm tired) in two posts
- Brinn wonders what to do with him, would like to hear his defense
- Nerwen analyses him and Sally's interactions, concludes he's suspicious but has also a few points for his innocence
- Nog analyses the wagon against him, doesn't present an opinion on the ovject of the wagon himself
- Zil explains his earlier thoughts about him
- Agan would like to have a look at him (and others) since she's unsure, likes Lommy's point against him
- Nog mentions him in a few analysis-posts but still no own opinion of him Ok I understand his opinion of Glirdy is not exactly related but this starts to look too non-committal...
- Brinn votes him, thinks his role could go either way but give us a lot of info, therefore the vote
- Shasta discusses him indirectly
- Skip wants to have a look at the emergence of suspicion against him
- Skip belittles his own earlier suspicion against G and thinks others don't have particularly good points against him, has no idea bout his role except he's not his prime suspect anyway
- Legate wishy-washes more about him, wonders if voting him would make sense, doesn't reach a conclusion Darling, you could start a laundry service.
- Skip says it's mathematically more probable he's innocent
- Legate points out the flaw in aforementioned point
- Shasta discusses him in relation to Greenie
- Skip thinks only one out of a list of five including G can be guilty
- Agan flip-flops on him, sort of concludes he's not suspicious
- Agan and Skip discuss him indirectly
- Nog again speculates about others' relations with him but doesn't pronounce an opinion of his own about him
- Zil discusses him indirectly
- more indirect discussion of Glirdy from Nog's part (he doesn't approve of Greenie's take on her)
- Skip has little liking for possible wagon against him
- Lommy is pretty sure she'll vote him, he's her top suspect, discusses him and Nerwen
- Lommy doesn't want to give Glirdy a chance to defend himself and votes him haha that sounds quite nasty! Also, is confident but flip-flops.
- Skip wants to know his role thanks to "all the hype"
- Shasta wishy-washes on the wagon against him, has no own opinion
- Lommy hopes that he or (another) wolf is lynched
- Nienna thinks him most suspicious of all but would like to hear his defense but would like to lynch him
- Zil's not enthused about lynching him although thinks knowing his role'd be useful
- Nog votes him, says he's been thinking it to and frobut is not too happy about the vote but thinks he's more likely a wolf than many others Interesting turn of events...
- Ni says he looks worse than Mira (the other absentee)
- Zil reminds people he's not around to defend himself but thinks it quite clear he will get lynched
- Zil votes him Again, very interesting turn of events, although self-defense played a part here, too...
- Nerwen wonders about Skip's constant defenses of him
- Ni votes him, hopes there'll be info
- Nerwen votes him


And that's it! Done! Like with sally, conclusions coming later. Basically means I check the things I (probably) xed with and then have a look at this post and the Sally one and make some conclusions.


edit: xed with all and gah, those are too long posts, I'll make my conclusions first and then read and comment those...

[Thinlómien]

(leaving myself out, of course)

Would be Sally's fellow
Nog - last minute suspicions against her
Brinn - same as Nog
Skip - nice relations, he sort of helps her out

Could be Sally's fellow
Legate - quite torn here, he looks sinister towards her but she doesn't towards him
Winty
Nerwen
Mira
Agan
Zil

Not Sally's fellow
Morsul - see her following Shasta's suspicion on Morsul
Shasta - same as Morsul
Nienna - late Day2 very unincriminating

Would be Glirdy's fellow
Agan - can't really put my finger on it, but there's something mighty fishy going on between them
Shasta - back and forths about him that way
Legate - same as Shasta
Nog - avoids having an opinion about him

Could be Glirdy's fellow
Skip - I'm puzzled about his really weird behaviour towards him
Zil - heavy suspicion on Day2 but slip-floppiness on Day3... weird?
Brinn - major back and forthing about Glirdy but she voted him without saying she suspects him. If she was a wolf, why wouldn't she try to look better by suspecting him?
Mira
Nerwen
Morsul
Nienna

Not Glirdy's fellow
Winty - I think he is questioning the poor noob too harshly for that


ERGO:

Probable fellows with 2 wolves
Nog

Probable fellows with 1 wolf
Brinn
Skip
Legate
Agan

Middle (probable + improbable or could be + could be)
Shasta
Mira
Nerwen
Zil

Improbable fellows with 1 wolf
Winty
Morsul
Nienna

Improbable fellows with 2 wolves
no one


Next your darling Lommy's up to:
1) replying all the old and new cross-posts
2) making a list


edit: xed with all again

[Thinlómien]

Sally's interactions with people

Sally towards others

Day1
- banter with Mira and Zil
- thanks Agan for clarification, sort of banter with Morsul
- agrees with Shasta about stuff, for example Morsul being hypocritical
- instructs Skip to use highlighting
- reacts to Shasta's drawback from Morsul suspicion by saying she still thinks he might've been serious Somehow this makes me think both Shasta and Morsul are innocent - flimsy grounds I know, but would a wolf jump on a fellow's random suspicion and would the other wolf then draw it back? or would a wolf jump on an innocent's erraneous point on her fellow?
- jokingly says all Europeans (=Lommy, Legate, Greenie, Agan, Nog) are evil
- is concerned about Legate's vote
- is surprised by Shasta's vote for Greenie
- votes Legate
- says that voting Legate was a better option than voting Winty, Brinn or Mira
- explains to Morsul what she meant by "lemming"
- wants Shasta to stop "following" her

Day2
- banter with Nienna
- Nogrod is suspiciously quiet, Winty's newbie pass is gone and he's suspicious, (curious interlude: first person mentioned on her list was Glirdan the fellow wolf, second was Nogrod whom I suspect of being a fellow wolf and third is Winty... does it mean he's the last wolf?), no idea about Mira, Agan, Inzil is "plain and simple" not a wolf, Shasta's strange and possibly a wolf, Nerwen's not evil 'cos she's giving evil vibes, still suspicious of Legate, Morsul is an opportunistic bandwagoner wolf, Nienna's safe, not concerned of Skip or Brinn, slightly worried of Lommy
- suspects Shasta
- redirects questioning Nienna to her suspicions in an overtly friendly tone which makes me think Nienna is innocent... why try to buddy up a fellow wolf?
- tells Brinn to go to bed
- tells Skip he can still prevent her death
- is slightly offended for receiving Nienna's vote and no explanation A wolvish "Et tu, mi Brute?"or the show of a dying lycanthrope?
- tells Nienna to lynch Glirdy


Others towards Sally

Day1
- Nerwen banters with her
- Lommy has no read on Sally because of banter
- Legate is surprised by Sally's amount of sense thus far ...what?
- Aganzir wants more content from her
- Lommy places her in the middle of three categories, calls her crazy
- Agan doesn't want to repeat herself to her
- Agan clarifies Greenie's words to her
- Nog has no opinion of her, but used to think her too careful in the beginning
- Nienna claims she can read her and is not alarmed yet, won't vote her
- Nienna is worried by her avoiding people calling her wolf

Day2
- Nienna doesn't understand her
- Lommy questions Lottie's wolf quartet suspicion which includes her
- Legate doesn't like her vote from Day1 and will keep and eye on her
- Legate takes Lottie's aforementioned wolf quartet theory seriously
- Lommy considers her "Save Private Lottie operation" very fishy, mentions she discredited Legate's vote and says she's now one of her new suspects
- Agan wants more substance from her and is "not too fond of her"
- Nerwen speculates on her possible wolvish chagrin
- Lommy puts her to the most suspicious of five categories, doesn't like wishy-washyness and throwaway vote
- Morsul votes her, dislikes her admitting starting a bandwagon and likes Lottie's suspicion against her
- Nienna thinks Morsul's vote on her is wolf-on-wolf
- Nerwen votes her, says she seems the most suspicious thus far and calls it a bandwagon
- Zil says she's the most suspicious of Lottie's quartet
- Agan has nothing against her death and thinks her death would be educational
- Agan thinks she should be suspected more often so that she'd be more serious
- Mira is "on the fence" about her
- Agan is unsure about her
- Lommy is not convinced enought of her guilt to give her a third vote
- Legate is unsure and suspicious about her
- Legate thinks her questionable and thinks other people have raised good points against her, places her in the most suspicious of three categories
- Legate considers voting her since there's support for that suspicion
- Winty considers voting her
- Legate suspects she will be voted by many
- Nogrod says there are fair points against her
- Legate is torn between voting her and two others
- Shasta thinks Morsul's suspicion of her looks opportunistic
- Legate solomonises about her and Inzil, thinks he'll vote her, note: Legate's general reluctant and wishy-washy suspicion of her doesn't look good at all
- Morsul's offended by her calling him a lemming If he was a fellow, I think they'd sort it out overNight... probably
- Legate votes her, says her latest post made his decision for him
- Nogrod wonders about her comments about Zil and Brinn
- Winty votes her
- Morsul likes her defenses but won't change his vote
- Nogrod starts suspecting her on losing her nerve
- Nog votes her, thinks she's more suspicious than Glirdy
- Nienna likes Nog's points against her
- Nienna tells her to stop defending herself and start accusing people
- Nienna asks for details about her suspicions
- Brinn thinks her flock-behaviour, defensiveness and throwaway vote speak against her
- Brinn votes her
- Skip asks if she's dying
- Skip suspects her a little and thinks it'd be interesting to know her role but also has some sympathy for her
- Nienna votes her

Conclusions a bit later, I don't want to make this any longer anymore!


xed with Shasta

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Me

1 Unicorn: when they die I will put the names of all of the dead in a hat, including the Unicorn’s name. If the name I pick out is of an innocent (or Cobbler) they will come back to life, if it’s a Wolf than no one comes back. Everyone comes back as an Ordo (except Cobbler still Cobbler, and Shirriff still Shirriff if their partner is still alive).

Just so it's there for everyone to understand.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Honestly, I may be biased (considering Nerwen and I are royal consorts ) but the way she's defending herself definitely says "frustrated innocent" to me.

However, I did say the same thing about Sally... bah.

I'm also reconsidering whether or not Agan was actually dreamed.

Right now I think I'd like to vote Mira, but she hasn't said anything in response to my analysis yet.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'm also reconsidering whether or not Agan was actually dreamed.

Given the amount of Greenie's flip-flopping, she most probably wasn't.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, I'm angry now, if that makes you feel better– see my last post. I just don't lose my cool easily– you should know that by now. But I'm in the process of losing it at the moment, let me tell you.

Besides, Lommy, if I'd been reacting more strongly from the first, are you sure you wouldn't now be saying, "Ooo! Defensive! Clearly a cornered wolf!"

Well, point taken, I would probably have said that. But I would have expected something like "where did that bandwagon come up from? " or some similar sarcastic slightly accusing comment, that would've fitted you (better than losing your nerve or something), and the lack of it just caught my eye.

And no, seeing you angry doesn't definitely make me feel better, but worse, because this is supposed to be a fun game and I don't enjoy seeing anyone I like (regardless how much I suspect or don't suspect them in the current game) feeling bad.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I mean the wolf, whoever it is, wouldn't have needed to push very hard to get an innocent lynched. Though that isn't a sure guide– other things do come into it, like individual temperament.

Ah okay, now I see, thanks for clarification. But I think it's really more about individual temperament and time issues - unless the wolf felt s/he was in danger especially. (So if we really want to look at somebody based on this point, it would be those who were under some suspicion and pushing for some lynch and maybe those who weren't under any suspicion and not pushing for any lynch.)


edit: xed with Aganx2 and Nerwie

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Well, point taken, I would probably have said that. But I would have expected something like "where did that bandwagon come up from? " or some similar sarcastic slightly accusing comment, that would've fitted you (better than losing your nerve or something), and the lack of it just caught my eye.

And no, seeing you angry doesn't definitely make me feel better, but worse, because this is supposed to be a fun game and I don't enjoy seeing anyone I like (regardless how much I suspect or don't suspect them in the current game) feeling bad.

Oh, I'm all right now. I just had to get that off my chest. It's just that the sheer futility of arguing with Aganzir when she's already made up her mind was getting to me.

Besides, I'd rather have been spending this time looking for the fourth wolf. We've done so well– I don't want this to be one of those games where the village triumphs in the early days, then gets lazy and lynches people semi-randomly "because we can afford to"... and in the end the wolves win.

And– apart from our known innocent, the make-up of the village is: several elite players, any of whom could pull off a lone-wolf victory, two complete newbies who are hard to read for that reason, and Mira who just pops up and says "hi guys" at random intervals. Add to that the fact that we don't know how many wolves we have... yeah, we could still manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I've seen it before.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And– apart from our known innocent, the make-up of the village is: several elite players, any of whom could pull off a lone-wolf victory, two complete newbies who are hard to read for that reason, and Mira who just pops up and says "hi guys" at random intervals. Add to that the fact that we don't know how many wolves we have... yeah, we could still manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I've seen it before.

Agreed, that's what I've been fearing too. I thought it was maybe a bit like that in the much quoted Prancing Pony game where I was the seer and nailed two of the three original wolves but it still wasn't enough for the village to win... and in many more games. *sigh*

Okay, good, now you gave me the resolve to check Agan&my wolf analyses combined.


edit: xed with Brinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Mira

Just had a nice romp through downtown Boston rush hour traffic to just barely make my bus.

More like Red Sox hour traffic. I was having a nice little half-nap on the train, and then we arrive at Kenmore and a horde of Red Sox fans come stomping in until the train is jam packed, totally invading my space bubble. I was not pleased. Tomorrow will be even more fun (Boston Marathon).

Originally Posted by Lommy

edit: xed with Brinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

So many N's. Did you fall asleep on the keyboard?

(Sorry, I really should get back on topic...more from me in little bit.)

[Thinlómien]

First off, links.

My analyses of interactions with Sally and Glirdy. My conclusions.

Agan's analysis of interactions with Nogrod. Her conclusions.

I'm counting Agan as a likely fellow of Nogrod (they were mostly nice to each other, some suspicion here and there and she voted him on Day4 making quite a 180 degree turn which would've been a convenient before-hand planned wolf-on-wolf), making Skip an unlikely Nog-fellow (the chances of Wolfgrod telling his newbie fellow to vote him are just too high to be ignored) and excluding myself of the list. I'll give people + and - as for likely or unlikely fellowness and 0s for neutrality.

Nerwen
0 Sally
0 Glirdy
+ Nog

Winty
0 Sally
- Glirdy
0 Nog

Mira
0 Sally
0 Glirdy
0 Nog

Agan
0 Sally
+ Glirdy
+ Nog

Shasta
- Sally
+ Glirdy
- Nog

Legate
0 Sally
+ Glirdy
0 Nog

Skip
+ Sally
0 Glirdy
- Nog

Brinn
+ Sally
0 Glirdy
- Nog

So, wolf points

2
Agan

1
Nerwen
Legate

0
Mira
Skip
Brinn

-1
Winty
Shasta

Now, I would be extremely cautious in trusting this kind of list because it's an articifial classification based on various articifial classifications based on subjective conclusions based on subjective phrasings of events.

The only conclusions that I dare concretely make is that since Winty seemed unlikely fellow with Glirdy and Shasta seemed unlikely fellow with Sally and Nog (but likely with Glirdy) I may feel a bit better about them. But there's really not much making difference between those who have 0, 1 or 2 wolf points, although I have to say I'm quite surprised to see Agan have the most points alone.


edit: xed with skips and Brinns

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What I remember is that wolves tend to tell the cub some stuff but encourage them to ask the same questions and make the same mistakes in the thread too and look new and confused in every way... So that they know actually more and have a better grasp of things than they seem to. If there's been a trend of not telling newbie wolves anything, I'm not aware of it.

Well, not of telling them nothing, but of only letting them know the bare minimum of do's and don'ts, and leaving them genuinely vague about the rules.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

But regardless of your role, or mine, I'm sorry to have upset you.

No, that's okay. I overreacted. It's just a game after all. I just haven't been getting much sleep lately, for various reasons.

EDIT:X'd since last post.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Right now I think I'd like to vote Mira, but she hasn't said anything in response to my analysis yet.

Sorry about that, dear. Just had a nice romp through downtown Boston rush hour traffic to just barely make my bus. Responses coming.

[Aganzir]

I'd like to go to sleep so I'm just going to vote now...

++Nerwen

I suspect her the most.

But regardless of your role, or mine, I'm sorry to have upset you.

Oh and if somebody doesn't have anything to do (gah why did I remember this only now when I was thinking of it right before coming online?) they might go and see if they can draw any conclusions from Lommy's posts about Glirdy & sally's interactions with us and my post about Nog's...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Oh and if somebody doesn't have anything to do (gah why did I remember this only now when I was thinking of it right before coming online?) they might go and see if they can draw any conclusions from Lommy's posts about Glirdy & sally's interactions with us and my post about Nog's...

Yes and I was thinking of that when I saw your post but forgot about it... Well, if I don't start to feel sleepy soon, I could do it...

edit: xed with Nerrr