WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lottie

Oh, so not outrageously bad reasoning?

Yeah. I was referring to the reasoning that I'm afraid of a typical Day 1 easy lynch but still vote for you. My actual reasoning for suspecting you wasn't outrageously bad. If I still can't make this understood, I suppose I must blame being a non-native speaker for not being able to explain myself.

Originally Posted by Mira

Unless I missed something, I wouldn't call not liking gut feelings a valid point.

You did miss something. It was that she called every point she had a gut-feeling, also those that were actual reasoned points and not gut-feelings - which struck me as horribly fishy. But really, discussing this is not fruitful as far as I can see.

Now to write some actual substance. I'm sick of talking about myself.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Yeah. I was referring to the reasoning that I'm afraid of a typical Day 1 easy lynch but still vote for you. My actual reasoning for suspecting you wasn't outrageously bad. If I still can't make this understood, I suppose I must blame being a non-native speaker for not being able to explain myself.

No, I get what you mean now.

[wintywinty]

Everyone has now posted after Lottie's claim of being the sherriff, and none have refuted, therefore Lottie was the other sherriff, is innocent, and can definitely be trusted.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nienna

I was pretty confident at that point that Lottie was innocent and was willing to vote for mostly anyone to save her.

Okay, but why were you pretty confident about her?

Originally Posted by winty

and if they do not say they are the next time they post, Lottie's statement must be true, and we can assume that everything she says in the best interest of the villagers.

Yes, I think we can rather safely assume that Lottie has the village's best interests at heart. But she is not the seer. She doesn't know anybody's role and can be as wrong as any of us.

Eurgh I had some other quotes I wanted to comment on but it seems I've lost them. Off to write a list and then vote. I'll probably be suspected for voting out of the blue this time () because I don't have much of an idea until I've looked at the list of villagers and considered each one in turn.

EDIT: x-ed with Glirdy and Lottie

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lottie

No, I get what you mean now.

Ok, great. Really, I'm sorry if I've sounded cross, I'm just very very tired and it's very very late and I've been up since rather early morning.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Ok, great. Really, I'm sorry if I've sounded cross, I'm just very very tired and it's very very late and I've been up since rather early morning.

Not at all. And I'm sorry I'm trying to get you lynched, I just happen to think you're evil.

EDIT: xed since the post I quoted

[A Little Green]

Glirdan – Hmm. I have no read on him myself, others have brought up good points against him, though, but I'd have to investigate myself to form an opinion.

Nogrod – Usually, at this point of the game, I'm convinced he's a wolf. This far I guess he's never been one when we've played together. So now I'm wondering if I should get worried as I've found no reason to suspect him...

Wintywinty – Too little to go on with.

Isabellkya – From what I remember of her she's been making sense and passing unnoticed. I have no reason to suspect her, but she alarms me a little because of being so smooth and sensible.

Mira – Feels innocent though I disagree with her a lot.

Sally – Her behaviour yesterDay around the voting, concerning Lottie, was weird. Other than that, she's been the usual hard-to-read Sally.

Agan – Seems genuine and makes a lot of sense. I'm not saying she's innocent - I know how capable she is of fooling me - but I won't be voting her without a good reason.

Inzil – No effing idea.

Shasta – The reasoning for his vote was rather bad, could be even wolvish - I was a little (green) suspected at that point I think but not much, so voting for me would have been rather ideal: not rubbing people the wrong way, yet not bandwaggoning either. Otherwise he has flown under my radar.

Lottie – I believe her claim though I disagree with her about almost everything.

Nerwen – No idea.

Legate – Seems innocentish this far.

Morsul – No idea.

Nienna – Hmm. Not sure. At times she feels very genuine, at others she feels like a sneaky wolf. Can't say which she is.

Skip – Seems maybe the most innocentish at this point (discounting Lottie and myself, of course), makes sense and feels genuine.

Lommy – Has dropped the mysterious attitude and feels more or less like her innocent self.

Brinniel – I'm leaning towards thinking her innocent. Her reactions seem genuine to me.


EDIT: x-ed since my last

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lottie

Not at all. And I'm sorry I'm trying to get you lynched, I just happen to think you're evil.

I sincerely hope that you will not succeed in your attempt. Talking about getting people lynched, I'd be interested to know who people are going to vote. I want to go to bed as soon as possible, but I'd like to hear some more opinions before voting..

EDIT: x-ed with Noggy, Winty & Glirdy

[A Little Green]

Eurgh. I'm starting to see why Glirdy is suspected. I didn't like that long post of his at all. Or, it was long, but it included mainly suspicion on one of the village's top suspects and confirming innocent a person everyone's been considering innocent pretty much all Day. He could be an innocent who just suspects the same person as everyone else, but I didn't like the tone of that post.

[Nienna]

Agan: Day One

37: Doesn’t want to die early because she hasn’t played in a while, laugh’s at Fea, wonder’s why Fea’s vote bothers Shasta, Brinn speaks sense, lets WinWin know that editing isn’t cool, suspects Nerwen for pointing out that WinWin could have a pack telling him what to do, gives advice to the Seer about being sure about people, comments on wolf voting and mentions that wolves can vote however they want to

55: Comments on Morsul’s flimsy reasoning for suspecting Fea and WinWin, discusses retractables and how everyone should use them right away, lets Nerwen know that she thinks that newbie v. newbie wolf debate isn’t a problem yet as we don’t have enough info to go on, comments to Nerwen that she’s pushing WinWin’s newbieness too hard, thinks we should vote for the most suspicious person regardless of whether we think they are the cobbler or a wolf. Thinks with Zil that maybe WinWin’s vote because he used a character name was a joke, wonders what Mira’s conclusion was regarding WinWin’s newbieness

62: A list: Suspicious – Mira for suspecting a newbie which is too easy, Morsul for his reasoning, and Lottie for a random analysis of Glirdy who hadn’t posted anything but IC banter. She comments on a few things Nog said about her Seer advice, will most likely vote for Mira or Morsul

65: Thinks Greenie now sounds innocent because they agree on things

78: Replies to Legate about Morsul and how she may still vote for him even if he is being “classical Morsul”, thinks Greenie, Legate, and Lommy have a good point about Lottie and may vote her but is unsure because she doesn’t know her playing style

80: Reminding that seer-dreamt ordos may not necessarily be innocent, Izzy seems innocent

88: Tells Morsul why she finds him suspicious, votes Mira because she seems the most suspicious, retracts and votes again because she doesn’t like retractables

93: Vote count and she mentions how she thinks we should keep track of who’s used their retracts

110: Defends why she doesn’t like retractable votes, defends her vote for Mira, defends the retractables yet again

In conclusion after Day One: she seems to be making sense. I don’t love her reasoning for voting Mira but reasoning on Day One’s are never that good. She seems pretty innocent so far so I’m not really sure what has made Lottie so gung-ho but we’ll see after the analysis of her posts today.

Edit: x-ed

[wintywinty]

Right now, I have narrowed down the twp possible people I am going to vote for to either Glirdy, or Sally. Glirdy and Sally seem to me as being the most suspicous thus far.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Eurgh. I'm starting to see why Glirdy is suspected. I didn't like that long post of his at all. Or, it was long, but it included mainly suspicion on one of the village's top suspects and confirming innocent a person everyone's been considering innocent pretty much all Day. He could be an innocent who just suspects the same person as everyone else, but I didn't like the tone of that post.

Well I was sort of wondering at first too, but then it was apparently only about the first page of toDay. Still... well, let's see where it goes. (I don't think I'll be here for when he reaches the last page, though. So probably leaving it out...)

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Right now, I have narrowed down the twp possible people I am going to vote for to either Glirdy, or Sally. Glirdy and Sally seem to me as being the most suspicous thus far.

However this is basically going along with the wind which blows in the village. Glirdan and sally = people who are definitely going to be voted by many. Not sure whether not to beat my inner jabberwocky (see post above) and just go with it.

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin appearing*

Oh, FYI.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I'd like to hear some more opinions before voting..

Aganzir will / would vote for Inzil.

Her internet connection died and she sent me an sms which I then PM'd to Wilwa. It's up to her, whether she accepts that kind of vote.

(~~~) *grin appearing*

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin appearing*

Okay.

I'm not going to restate all the points raised thus far. I think there are fair points raised against Sally and Inzil, and to a lesser degree on Glirdy and Brinn.

I tend to think Agan and Greenie more innocentish than not.

Skip and Izzy feel good.

Well that was original...

I'll plunge into the thread to check a few things that bother me. But I'll be around for any discussion (checking the latest posting every now and then).

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[satansaloser2005]

And of course people try to lynch me on the Day that I can't be around for much longer. I think it's some sort of conspiracy. *grumbles*

As noted, I don't have a lot of time, or at least a lot of time to be particularly loquacious. I'll give thoughts on everyone and if anyone has questions I'll answer them. How's that work? After all, if I'm to be viciously cut down in the prime of my life, I may as well offer help while I can.


Glirdan: He's honestly not been around much. What he's said is a bit strange, but at the same time I don't have a good enough hold on him to specifically say "Kill! Kill". He is, however, popping onto other people's suspicions and things, which seems very wolfish the way he's doing it. Wolf? Maybe!
Nogrod: Well he's busy, but he's too quiet even for a busy Nog. I'm concerned.
Wintywinty: The newbie pass is gone. Yes, you made a newbie mistake and you admit it, but that doesn't mean you're innocent. There's wolf cubs too, after all.
Boro88: Dead! Dead, dead, dead! *spites Lottie for picking on her so much*
Isabellkya: Surprisingly I'm getting good vibes from her. I'll certainly not be voting her toDay.
Mira: No feeling on her one way or the other.
Sally: LEAVE ME ALONE! Lol. Sorry, I hate being suspected for rubbish reasons. You wanna suspect me, fine, but don't create reasoning that's not the truth.
Agan: I need to keep a close eye on her because, frankly, I have no idea.
Inzil: Not a wolf. Plain and simple. Don't ask me how I know, I just do.
Shasta: First of all, no, I didn't follow his suspicions, I had my own. *is just saying* Anyway he's been acting quite strange lately and had some opinions on people that I think have been formed for the wrong reasons. Wolf, mehbe? *nods*
Lottie: Obviously innocent (unless she's lying) but she's really irking me. Just because you're a known innocent doesn't mean you are right about everything.
Nerwen: No evil vibes. As in, I'm getting them, so I know she's not evil.
Legate: I stand by my suspicions of yesterDay.
Morsul: Ditto. Opportunistic and a lemming. Such a wolf in my eyes.
Nienna: Not a lot on her, or rather not a lot of bad. I think she's safe.
Skip: He's not concerning me at all right now.
Lommie: I'm still worried about her, but she's not at the top of my list now.
Greenie: I see Lottie's case against her but I legitimately refuse to follow Lottie.
Brinniel: No worries from her either.


In short....

Suspect:
Morsul
Legate
Glirdan
Winty
Shasta

Ish:
Nog
Lommie
Mira
Agan
Greenie

Don't suspect:
Izzy
Dun
Lottie
Nerwen
Skip
Brinn
Nienna


undoubtedly x'd....

[satansaloser2005]

As much as I might suspect Shasta right now, I agree.

Most of Lottie's 'logic' relies on her 'calling the whole pack'. So if (rather when) she's proved wrong about one of them she'll be as clueless as she thinks the rest of us are. I'm just sayin'.


ETA: This is in relation to his #344. For whatever reason it would't let me quote him.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

As much as I might suspect Shasta right now, I agree.

Most of Lottie's 'logic' relies on her 'calling the whole pack'. So if (rather when) she's proved wrong about one of them she'll be as clueless as she thinks the rest of us are. I'm just sayin'.

I don't think the rest of you are clueless. I often disagree *cough*Zil*cough* but I think you all have good points. And my logic does not rely on my 'calling the whole pack' - even if Greenie and Agan aren't wolves, you and Glirdy can still easily be (and most probably are).

EDIT: xed.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Inzil: Not a wolf. Plain and simple. Don't ask me how I know, I just do.

Brinniel: No worries from her either.

More interesting details pouring out?

EDIT: oops, X'd with a host of voting it seems.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Morsul: Ditto. Opportunistic and a lemming. Such a wolf in my eyes.

A bit rude wouldn't you say?

Sorry I find you suspicious. Did I ever call you a horrid name? (Wolf doesn't count)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

A bit rude wouldn't you say?

Sorry I find you suspicious. Did I ever call you a horrid name? (Wolf doesn't count)

Lemming isn't a horrid name. It means she thinks you're bandwaggoning. It's not a huge deal.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

A bit rude wouldn't you say?

Sorry I find you suspicious. Did I ever call you a horrid name? (Wolf doesn't count)

Sorry, dear, I thought you'd get the implication. Lemming as in a follower. There was no offense intended (other than that obvious "WOLF!" of course).

[wintywinty]

Right now, I don't have time to explain my reasoning, as I have homework to attend to. If I get a chance later I will explain my reasoning though, but in case I don't have a chance to get back on before the night, ++Sally

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Like I said... day 2 easy lynch. With Morsul being opportunistic and Winty being bandwaggonish (going to get reasons for your votes from your packmates tonight, winty?), it's kind of hard to choose, but...
++Morsul

[Loslote]

Morsul -> Sally
Nerwen -> Sally (2)
Lommy -> Glirdy
Greenie -> Shasta
Legate -> Sally (3)
WW -> Sally (4)
Shasta -> Morsul

(I think that's right.)

EDIT: xed and added Shasta's vote

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Okay, but why were you pretty confident about her?

I was confident about her for a few reasons. Boro's trust in her was adamant in a way that would be way too risky for wolves. She also started making sense and sounding confident and innocent.

Edit: x-ed

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading.

*opens Notepad and prepares to respond on... everything *

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin appearing*

You guys make outrageously long posts! (and I seem to be extra-slow toDay)

I have only gotten even with the thread now.

So we have a more or less known innocent crusader running amok? And those suspected are naturally annoyed by it, whatever their role is.

But yes, interesting points as well. Needs to do some thinking...

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ha, just when I was about to remark that we still have to wait for the grin to appear with a long book...

Well! I am feeling slightly tired, but I'd like to wait for that, at least. At least to read it... means maybe I might ponder my vote for about a short while yet.

But in general, thinking Inzil, WW, Brinn and Sally... well, Inzil is a possibility, but I'd like to give him a chance, to see at least one more Day from him and then decide. WW is more or less something similar, and however maybe voting him would be the sort of "easiest" for me, it's sort of against my inner jabberwocky to vote a newbie even on Day 2 if it's on such weak grounds (by weak grounds meaning not the seriousness of my suspicion or things like that, but simply the fact that there were very few posts from him in total). Sally would be an option, and also there seems there are other people suspecting her, so if I wanted to pick according to who of my suspects is most likely to be lynched, I could go with her. Brinn is something in between, the problem is that she's not around much and I did not have the chance to "meet" with her much, in the sense, I'm around when she's not around and vice versa and it would be nice to see her respond to the fact that she's being suspected (something similar goes with sally as well, though sally at least has been responding to people about it). Okay... pondering, let's see if the Cat posts, and then I just vote and go... (I guess that's a sentence I have been saying a lot around here...)

EDIT: x-ed since Nogcat