WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I don't think it'll happen, but I'd be good with either of them dying, and decided to go with Glirdy.

EDIT: "it" being a Glirdy-lynch.

Ah, and they speak of my throwaway votes....*rolls eyes*

EDIT: x'd with the Moddess, who momentarily confused me.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Sally's 'defense' of the suspicions against her, seem quite flat and completely void of emotion. Almost as if she doesn't care if she goes.

Yes, because me saying "I wish people actually had proper reasons and they really shouldn't kill me because it's a bad choice" is a passionless defense.


Did you want me to yell and scream and insult people? 'Cause I could, but it wouldn't make a difference.


Gah. People are never happy with anything anymore.

[Morsul the Dark]

you did insult me you called me a lemming sorry the tone in my post was off as well. I knoew what you meant I had nothing to add but that

And for the record every time I try to defend myself everyone says "WOAH Over the top response must be a Wolf"

Though I'm not changing my vote I like the tone of Sally's defenses(I just don't believe them)

Sally I got your back... sort of

[wilwarin538]

Vote count, which I made all on my own cause I didn't think to check if any one else had done it for me (thanks Lottie).

Morsul -> Sally
Nerwen -> Sally (2)
Lommy -> Glirdan
Greenie -> Shasta
Legate -> Sally (3)
WW -> Sally (4)
Shasta -> Morsul
Mira -> WW
Lottie -> Glirdan (2)
Agan -> Inzil

DL in 2 hours and 13 minutes. (since I extended it by an hour)

[satansaloser2005]

The weirdest thing is that Lottie's not even doing all this weird stuff because she's evil. She's being confusing and off-base and she's innocent. That's what really worries me.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

The weirdest thing is that Lottie's not even doing all this weird stuff because she's evil. She's being confusing and off-base and she's innocent. That's what really worries me.

I have mentioned that I don't like it when people trust me? I have, right? 'Cause turns out being a known innocent is making me really sleepy and bored. Just sayin'.

EDIT: xed since my last.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Sally

Yes, because me saying "I wish people actually had proper reasons and they really shouldn't kill me because it's a bad choice" is a passionless defense.

Did you want me to yell and scream and insult people? 'Cause I could, but it wouldn't make a difference.

It is interesting how differently people seem to interpret things. I read Izzy's point as a defence of you Sally: your defence is void of emotion, you don't care eg. you're an ordo... I think any innocent would have read it thus. But then you go on interpreting it the opposite way! So does that actually tell us you're guilty as you see any comment on you as a threat?

Originally Posted by Sally to Lottie

How are you not evil?!?!

I saw Agan getting upset with Lottie - and I think with a reason - but what is this? Resigning already?

Originally Posted by Sally

Does no one see the gaping holes in the logic of this plan?

I don't. She has her retractable vote in store if something would go wrong from her POV. If she thinks you two as suspicious that's all right. Actually putting forwards two candidates is a good idea because then people can't just bandwagon on one person (the wolves have it easy if everyone votes the same) and some choices might be quite telling later when roles of the lynched are learned.

[Nogrod]

Okay. 3.40 and I'm off to sleep.

++ Sally

I thought for a moment of joining Lottie's Glirdy-wagon just to make sure there is a real choice, but then I realised I'm not in that comfort-zone where I could say that they are as suspicious and it's just the same which one we lynch. I do suspect Glirdy, but I do think we have better chances of getting a wolf with Sally. Especially looking at her latest posting...

EDIT: X'd with Izzy

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

So, like Nog said earlier Agan is having some internet issues and he PM'ed her vote to me. I trust that Nog isn't making it up, haha, so I'll accept it:

She would like to vote for

[*highlight]++ Inzil [/highlight*]

Her message:

"He's the one I feel most confident about voting atm. Lottie makes me seriously mad and regardless of when I die, I will expect an apology for her frivolous accusations."

I'm sorry, dear. I won't appologize for my non-frivolous accusations, but I will admit some of them were over the top. Sorry.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Ah, and they speak of my throwaway votes....*rolls eyes*

Ah, but there is a difference. You were the first to vote him and there was little support for his lynch. Moreover you said did not particularly like the main candidate for lynchdom. I do like the current main candidate, there is already a vote for Glirdy, and others do suspect him.

EDIT: xed since the Sally post I quoted.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Ah, but there is a difference. You were the first to vote him and there was little support for his lynch. Moreover you said did not particularly like the main candidate for lynchdom. I do like the current main candidate, there is already a vote for Glirdy, and others do suspect him.

EDIT: xed since the Sally post I quoted.

Yes, there is a difference. I didn't like the primary lynch candidate so I didn't vote for them. You DO and you still are splitting the vote.

So who's the one who's voting improperly? Not me.


How are you not evil?!?!


ETA: x'd with Lottie

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Yes, there is a difference. I didn't like the primary lynch candidate so I didn't vote for them. You DO and you still are splitting the vote.

So who's the one who's voting improperly? Not me.


How are you not evil?!?!


ETA: x'd with Lottie

Ah, but bandwaggoning is so boring. Voting for an alternate candidate (who really is a candidate, not just a throwaway) is so much more entertaining...

EDIT: xed with Morsul

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Ah, but bandwaggoning is so boring. Voting for an alternate candidate (who really is a candidate, not just a throwaway) is so much more entertaining...

EDIT: xed with Morsul

Entertaining is not helping the village. Entertaining just entertains you.


Does no one see the gaping holes in the logic of this plan?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Entertaining is not helping the village. Entertaining just entertains you.


Does no one see the gaping holes in the logic of this plan?

My logic is quite failing toDay. I should probably take a nap or something, but I just can't gather up the willpower...

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Agan

The thing is, nobody said that you have good insights and you're a very good player/wolf - during the day. Winty says it's something many have said, but who has he heard it from if no one has said so here?

This is really interesting point. Going back quickly (and I mean I skimmed it) I could not find a single person who stated that Brinn is a strong player, and if it was said, it was said well after his vote. Where is he getting all this information? His fellow Wolfies??

Originally Posted by Sally

Sally demands an explanation for this suspicion crap. Like, seriously?

I'll explain the thing with Morsul and Shasta though, because I can see how you would be confused. I suspected Morsul already and had been planning to say something about it, so when Shasta did as well I was like "Look, yay, support, I'm not crazy". Then Shasta says he realized Morsul was kidding (yeah, because NO ONE has every hidden behind jokes before, oh noes, never) and I thought it was strange because for pity's sake, that was a quick flip flop and quite the lame excuse. So then I made it clear that I suspected Morsul anyway, 'cause I hadn't been following Shasta in the first place, he just happened to post first.

Oh, and did no one see that I'd been suspecting Lottie from the beginning? Sure, Legate can say he started the trend but I said "Something's not right with her" well toward the beginning of the Day. (Yes, I know, I was clearly wrong, but that's not the point.) And I never went toward a "Save Lottie she's innocent" point of view. The only thing I said that could be read like that was that I wanted to not kill her on Day One (AGAIN) and that I thought there were better candidates.

Really, this is ridiculous. I think you've all been putting things in your tea.

(I edited the spacing to save some room)

This whole post is waaaaay too defensive. It's a game of Werewolf, suspicions will come up, why are you being overly defensive? The only possible explanation for that would be that you're a Wolf trying to save your hide, so to speak.

Originally Posted by Mira

I tend to trust Lottie's shirriff reveal, since I see no reason not to. Her suspicion of Greenie makes me suspicious of her by default, but I'll have to go through and look a bit deeper at her posts.

This feels too much like a bandwagon....albeit, it is with a known innocent. However, it is quite plausible, especially with her lack of reasoning, that she is a Wolf is Mira clothing. Will have to see what she has said since this to get a better read off her.

Originally Posted by Mira in response to Agan

That was really me floundering for something to contribute than anything else. And no, I got the Morsul thing, and so far you suspicion is really the only reason I'm considering voting for you. I could look for more basis if you'd like.

Fairly honest answer to the original question posed, yet the last two bits that are bold stand out. Maybe I'm just tired because I have been looking at this computer screen for the past two to three hours without a break, but that is just poor reasoning for voting anyone at this point.

Which brings me to when I first got back....almost three hours ago actually

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Conclusions

Mira has made my eyebrows rise after reading those last few posts of hers.

Sally is looking ridiculously guilty.

winty has me at a crossroads. He could very well be a bewildered newbie, or he could be a really clever newbie-wolf with his packmates giving him hints at Night.

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Going to go over the post of page 9 and 10 very quickly and touched on things that I have been missing whilst doing this.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

This whole post is waaaaay too defensive. It's a game of Werewolf, suspicions will come up, why are you being overly defensive? The only possible explanation for that would be that you're a Wolf trying to save your hide, so to speak.

I don't mind being suspected. I really don't. I just wish people had better reasoning. If they suspected me for things I'd actually done I'd just shrug it off, but the things I'm being accused of I didn't even do. It just makes me mad.


*waves at Nienna*

Don't worry about it. I did that post right as I thought I'd be leaving so I didn't format it all pretty; my apologies. What do you need clarification on?

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Interesting...

Care to explain what is so interesting?

Originally Posted by Sally

Glirdan: He's honestly not been around much. What he's said is a bit strange, but at the same time I don't have a good enough hold on him to specifically say

What really gets me is that you say that you don't have enough to suspect me on, yet in that exact same post you put me in your suspect list.

Originally Posted by winty

Right now, I don't have time to explain my reasoning, as I have homework to attend to. If I get a chance later I will explain my reasoning though, but in case I don't have a chance to get back on before the night, ++Sally

How hard is it to come up with one to two sentences on why you think said person is suspicious before you leave? It takes two seconds! Unless you really have no idea and are just going along with the pack and will get your reasoning from a fellow Wolf later on?

EDIT: Xed since last post
EDIT2: Quoted wrong again...I'm getting tired....

[Nienna]

Agan Day Two:
247: sad about Boro’s death, surprised Fea was the cobbler but happy she is dead, isn’t sure if the wolves thought that Lottie and Boro were the Sheriffs, thinks Lottie may be a bit too subjective in her analysis of Sally, would like to know why Lottie is so sure of Greenie, Agan, Glirdy, and Sally being wolves

249: Denies that she was the main advocate for Lottie’s death (--I agree with her there… from looking over the last day she wasn’t the main advocate--), says that her contribution is just as good as Lottie’s

252: doesn’t think she is on the same wave-length as Nog but doesn’t think he is a wolf, wonders why I thought Mira was acting Mira-esque, also thinks Brinn was forcing normalcy but she isn’t usually on the same wave-length as Brinn either. She doesn’t like Zil’s vote for Mira based on her suspicions, asks Zil why if the Lottie-wagon was suspicious did he not find most of the members suspicious, thinks Izzy looks good, would love more substance from Sally but she isn’t looking good, re-explains retractions for WinWin, wonders who talked about Brinn before WinWin’s vote as he claimed, likes Glirdy for now

281: agrees with Lommy, doesn’t like Lottie’s flimsy reasons for suspecting people just because she is a known innocent, notes that she may be taking the retraction thing a bit far, thinks knowing Sally’s role will shed some light on things, doesn’t like Morsul’s vote, thinks WinWin’s defense of his Brinn vote is very suspicious because no-one praised her so he didn’t really have enough info to go on

285: Defends herself to Zil – responds to his points about her… read it for exacts

291: List: Guilty – Morsul for his reasoning, Mira for her weird treatment of WinWin, WinWin for his fishy vote explanation, Zil for his comment about the Lottie-wagon and for suspecting Lottie’s suspects but then still asking Lottie why she thinks so

295: Asks Mira to explain her suspicion of WinWin among other things

299: defends her sadness at Boro’s death, defends herself to Lottie, still wonders what made WinWin say that he knew Brinn was a good player

Votes Zil via Wilwa

In conclusion. She seems rather innocent to me. She hasn't really done anything to make her seem wolvish. She's on my leaning innocent category at the moment.

Edit: x-ed since 380

[Isabellkya]

I really don't see all that is wrong, necessarily with what I think Loslote is doing. If there is only one lynch candidate.. then what exactly will that tell us in the future? We will gain very little information on it.


X'd since my last post.