WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin appearing*

Sally-lynchers then...

Morsul -> Sally
Nerwen -> Sally2

Morsul looks so darn suspicious everytime he plays but it would be quite daring for him to start voting against a mate who clearly was facing some real pressure that Day. And actually, if Glirdan is a wolf then the same applies for toDay. Could it be a done deal? Risky, but possibly paying back in the endgame?

Nerwen I think quite good of as adding the lead of a packmate at that situation would hve been both bold and possibly quite counter-productive. Or did they think Sally was a goner already during the Night?

Legate -> Sally3
winty -> Sally4

These two votes I think talk rather good of their makers as one looks at the placing of them. They clearly made Sally the real candidate number one. If one of them were a wolf they'd surely have reasons coming for another candidates? So voting Sally at that point would have been unnecessary.

Nog -> Sally5
Brinn -> Sally6

More or less the same as with Legate & winty. The difference being that there was then clearly a chance of a second candidate with Glirdy. I suspected Sally more than Glirdy, Brinn didn't mention Glirdy at all.

Glirdy -> Sally7

Self-preservation, whatever his role is.

Nienna -> Sally8

The decisive vote.


Blah... have no time to continue as I have to run to a meeting. See you later...

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[Brinniel]

Looking at the voting list, Mira's vote looks quite bad not only because of the nature of the vote that I mentioned yesterDay I didn't like, but the timing too (Sally was really racking up in votes by then). Actually, Shasta looks just as bad for the timing of his vote, but I can't remember his reasons behind the vote, so I should perhaps check that out later. In any case, they both warrant a reason for me to better look at them come toMorrow.

But I must be going now, so here's my vote:

++Glirdan

I hate making early votes and I still wish I could've actually heard what he may have to say before making this vote, but I won't be back toDay most likely.

His role could go either way, and knowing what it is would clear up some things. Even if he did turn out innocent, his death wouldn't exactly be a devastating blow to the village considering we are ahead in the game lynching a wolf and cobbler in two Days...and not to mention that his death could provide useful clues, whatever his role may be. If we don't lynch him toDay, we'll just be wondering the same things about him come toMorrow. So at this point, unless a more suspicious candidate comes forth, he seems the best choice for toDay.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading, with comments to make (especially about my exhausted post from earlier this morning. )

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Morsul

I know this will be an unpopular move however I'm going with my gut on this one.

++Glirdan

It got me one wolf so maybe It'll get me another.

Morsul, I don't particularly care who you vote, but voting this early is harmful to the innocents as a whole (and it's lost you a game before, remember?) You might think about that.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Hmm...this is something to think about. It seems quite possible Glirdan is indeed a wolf, but it's definitely something we can't be certain of.

This quote seems awfully wishy-washy... I generally think Brinn to be more decisive than this.


Okay, after reading through as my much-less-tired self, I still don't like the way Greenie quoted Inzil out-of-context. It seems to me fairly obvious that Inzil thought Glirdan was being contradictory in his post about Nerwen, which is a fair reason for suspicion, so I don't see where the "grasping at straws" fits in. Especially as Inzil looked to be under a bit of suspicion yesterday.


Speaking of throwaway votes (Lommy's #477 talking about Mira is what reminded me) I still don't like Morsul's vote yesterday. It feels like he's established "vote early and be suspicious at all times" as his own playstyle, but at the same time right now it feels like he's hiding behind it a bit.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Makes me feel a bit better about Nienna. If I recall correctly, this was in a post of its own – and though not unheard of, bringing up a new point against a fellow in a one-liner post doesn't strike me as wolf-on-wolf suspicion.

This is a game of werewolves. Werewolves lie. A wolf shouldn't have a problem with saying "No, I'm not a wolf" when people say "Hey, you're a wolf". Plus, historically, people who have responded to "Hey I'm a wolf" with "No I'm not what are you talking about" have sometimes been considered "overdefensive".

TLDR; Nienna looks slightly worse to me for this comment and Greenie looks worse for saying it makes Nienna look better.

Originally Posted by Nogrod, on Mira's vote for Winty

Now this is an interesting choice. One more "easy lynch" candidate thrown into the lot.

Right, I'm going to take issue with people continuing to call winty an "easy lynch". Firstly, since when is a newbie an "easy lynch"? People are going to look askance at anyone who tries to lynch a newbie early. (That's just how we roll, we're nice like that. ) Secondly, any actual suspicion of winty has been intermittent at best, with plenty of better candidates for lynching. Again, not seeing how that makes winty an "easy lynch". I'm beginning to wonder if saying that isn't just an excuse to suspect whoever votes winty.

[skip spence]

Is back for a bit. Will try to have a look at how the Glirdan suspicions arose and why.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I'm sorry, I think I missed something. Could you explain what you mean by this?

In brief, Shasta whacked me over the head with a dead fish and told me to stop being silly and look at other people. Now, as I did not suspect him at all (still don't), this would be a silly move for a wolf to make, because I could easily have turned on him for trying to allay suspicion of packmates. As it happens, it was extremely helpful, because I was being rather silly. Anyway, though, my point is that waking up the known innocent from blind suspicion is not a good move for a wolf to make, but it is a good move for an innocent.

[skip spence]

Ok, it seems, and correct me if I'm wrong, that certain suspicious arose from his allegedly wolfish voting on Day 1. No votes on Glirdan on day one though.

Early on day 2 Lottie is the first to come after him, and does so in characteristically fervent fashion.

On day two Lommy was the first to vote for him, before the man himself made his entrance. The explanation:

Originally Posted by Lommy

Glirdan - weird comment against the Lottie wagon, had all the wagoned-for people on his suspicion list late yesterDay yet still made a throwaway vote and refused to take sides.

Not the strongest of explanations...

Lottie then fuels up the anti-Glirdan sentiments

Glirdy's going over the top with acting innocent. First his Day 1 opening post where he enthused about hunting werewolves, now he (like Agan) expresses sorrow over the Night kill. Innocents (in my experience) don't do that. They'll explain why it's a bad thing that someone is gone, but they simply say that is is a bad thing and leave it at that.

Then there's little happening until WinWin comes in and agrees with the above:

Originally Posted by WinWin

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Then Glirdan come on, responds to some unimportant stuff, then agrees that Sally looks bad. Does not try to defend himself.

Next up is Greenie:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Eurgh. I'm starting to see why Glirdy is suspected. I didn't like that long post of his at all. Or, it was long, but it included mainly suspicion on one of the village's top suspects and confirming innocent a person everyone's been considering innocent pretty much all Day. He could be an innocent who just suspects the same person as everyone else, but I didn't like the tone of that post.

Greenie doesn't like the tone of the post. Very vague, and with the knowledge that Sally was a wolf, what does this say about Greenie?

With a long post #341 Lottie keeps her lynch-Glirdan campaign going. Argument to too impressive.

With post 345 Sally come up with a list. Glirdan, she says, is suspect because other suspect him. She also suspects Morsul, Legate, Winty and Shasta

Nothing on Glirdan for a good while before Lottie votes for him, his second. By now Sally has 4.

With post 383 Glirdan finally defends himself agaist Lotties accusations:

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I am really starting to get agitated with this constant biased reasoning. You're making the assumption that I am evil based on my vote for Shasta due to his out of the blue vote for Greenie, who is my quote/unquote "packmate"? Yes, my vote was a throwaway vote yesterDay, but I went through my list of suspicions and voted for the one person who stood out the most, which was Shasta as his vote troubled me.

A pretty good defence I must say. There is little real substance in the accusation and Shasta's vote did trouble me a bit too. Glirdan then suspects Legate on as shaky grounds as when Lottie accused him.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Legate is starting to stand out to me. He's making concise arguments, yes, but some of the points he is bringing up (like the one mentioned above) are things that would be fairly obvious to all of us with the exception of our new players. So why point it out?

I vote for Glirdan:

Glirdan I've had a slight suspicion on since day one and although I've no clear picture of exactly what he's been up to tonight, at least he's not reassured me. So, in order to open up another alternative:

To be honest I can't recall why or even if I actually did worry about Glirdan on day one. At this point I was very tired and ever so slightly inebriated after having celebrated a traditional Saturday Night. Just wanted to make the run-in more even as I though that would make things more interesting and hopefully reveal more information.

With post 431 Inziladun votes for Glirdan

Glirdan looks like a wolf going in for the kill with confidence.

But now when we know Sally is guilty, what does this say about Inziladun?

Then known innocent Izzy votes Glirdan without much wording. Not much to be said about that.

Don't know what to make of that. Except that there isn't much weight behind the Glirdan accusers. Is he a wolf? No idea frankly. Not my prime suspect anyway.