WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Shastanis Althreduin]

In all likelihood, winty, that person is another ordo.

Brinn, I still feel like yesterday was the best time to lynch the Unicorn and try to get Greenie (or even Izzy, or Boro) back. And with all the hints Morsul was dropping yesterday, I was sure he was the Unicorn.

[Mirandir]

Of the three options, my money is on ranger save. I feel like the narration would say something more interesting than nothing if the cursed had been turned. It's also unlikely the last wolf forgot to send in a kill. At this point it's too important to not remember to do. Thus, ranger save.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Of the three options, my money is on ranger save. I feel like the narration would say something more interesting than nothing if the cursed had been turned. It's also unlikely the last wolf forgot to send in a kill. At this point it's too important to not remember to do. Thus, ranger save.

Mira, the narration usually says "something more interesting" when there's been a Ranger save too. I think our moddess is deliberately trying to leave us in the dark.

The following is more a personal thinking out post– obviously half the logic here rests on my being innocent, and only the wolf (or wolves) knows I'm telling the truth:

Now, about yesterDay: so there were three lynch-candidates. Of those, I happen to know that the only one who could have been a wolf is Skip. So Wolf 4 I think, more likely to be among the bandwagon-hoppers than those who really pushed to lynch Morsul or me. (Legate? Mira? Skip himself? Lommy?)

This logic would, then, rule out Shasta, Brinn or Aganbeing a wolf yesterDay.

(But that's still quite a big assumption– they're all experienced players who might deliberately do the opposite of what you'd expect.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Mira, the narration usually says "something more interesting" when there's been a Ranger save too. I think our moddess is deliberately trying to leave us in the dark.

The following is more a personal thinking out post– obviously half the logic here rests on my being innocent, and only the wolf (or wolves) knows I'm telling the truth:

Now, about yesterDay: so there were three lynch-candidates. Of those, I happen to know that the only one who could have been a wolf is Skip. So Wolf 4 I think, more likely to be among the bandwagon-hoppers than those who really pushed to lynch Morsul or me. (Legate? Mira? Skip himself? Lommy?)

This logic would, then, rule out Shasta, Brinn or Aganbeing a wolf yesterDay.

(But that's still quite a big assumption– they're all experienced players who might deliberately do the opposite of what you'd expect.)

Nerwen, this post being from your point-of-view... does this mean you don't suspect Brinn of being a wolf any more?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Nerwen, this post being from your point-of-view... does this mean you don't suspect Brinn of being a wolf any more?

Nah. Actually I suspect everyone except Lottie. I'm just trying to think things through.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Btw Lottie (and perhaps Shasta too), can you please explain to me how lynching an innocent Morsul is soo helpful to us? I'm really curious about this one.


I already stated this. Morsul was attracting attention and trying to get himself lynched. A lone wolf would not do that because he'd lose the game not just for himself, but his entire team. Giving up would be a selfish and lame move, and I didn't think Morsul would do that.

1. I didn't like the other two options (Nerwen and Skip). I figured they were at best ordos, and at worst gifted (although if so, they might have revealed). Morsul I figured was at worst ordo and at best the unicorn, which could give us Greenie (and thus several roles, including a possible wolf - we don't know who she dreamed her last Night) or Boro (and a functional Shirriff team) or a known innocent (always helpful).

2. He might well. He did that to his innocent team, now didn't he?

[Nerwen]

See, that's the other thing about Brinniel– she sounded like she knew Morsul was innocent.

And I guess the wolf would care which innocent got lynched if it seemed likely one was the Unicorn. But then, she suspected me before that came up.

So... still on the fence.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Isn't it obvious? Mira's saying the lack of information probably means a Ranger save, but she's recently played in a game where the same thing meant the Cursed had been found. So it seems an odd assumption to make.

Ahh okay, I got it. It was mostly that "Mira was dead by then" part that confused me.

So... thanks for the answers, although you mostly just commented on my case and only answered a few of the questions I asked you.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

The fact that I commented on wintywinty's random vote on Day One.

Commenting is fine by itself. But your comment looked sinister. Yes I know there wasn't much to talk about yet and we had to start from somewhere, but there was just something about the comment, the way it was phrased or something. I don't think you can answer to it any better, but it's still creepy.

What does your comment about wolf tactics tending to run in cycles actually mean and could you give some examples?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Since I only suspected him, rather than knowing his role, I also tried to be fair by bringing up points in his favour as well as those against him.

That's alright. But when it has happened with every wolf we've lynched, it makes one wonder.

You said you wouldn't ignore the Lottie-voters (Lommy, Green & Legate) because the circumstances of the bandwagon were odd. Why were they odd?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes. That was before I'd analysed him and seemed a possibility at that point.

Maybe I'm just a more single-minded player, but when the seer is killed by the wolves, my first thought isn't usually that they wanted to frame somebody.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

There's a question of whether Sally honestly believed she had a chance of changing the outcome at that point (right on DL).

What does this comment have to do with anything? I just didn't get what you were trying to say.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Brinn's comment was out of context, in that she makes no mention of the fact that

It was a single comment. You made a big number of it. I personally don't think she was distorting what you said, in the sense that it represented your tone towards Glirdan quite well. Take it or leave it, you looked somewhat wishy-washy when it came to lynching him. That's the impression I got and I wasn't the only one.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes, Greenie said he looked innocent, but she said that about a lot of people– we can't know for sure.

So when the seer says somebody looks maybe the most innocent of us all, it means nothing?

When I came I just skimmed through Nerwen's answers and was like alright she seems to be making sense... But it quite looks like she had tried to avoid certain questions. Which doesn't make me feel any better about her.

I agree with Legate the remaining gifteds could maybe start to consider revealing... There are 10 of us now and if they revealed, it would leave only 7 (or 6, if the ranger made a succesful save and was told of it) unknown people. Yes it would make finding the cursed easier for the wolf (unless she already did it), but at the same time it would narrow the field of potential wolves.

Originally Posted by Legate

if the Cursing did happen toNight, I would be most worried about Lommy then

Me too, but we can never be certain... There are simply too many ways for the wolf to act. Thus far they've killed those that looked the most innocent but we have no way of knowing how long that pattern will continue.

Originally Posted by skip

Ergo, a wolf would imo have the strongest motivation to make that retraction move, without saying that an innocent couldn't do the same.

If you must choose between yourself and an unknown and you know you're innocent, it's better for you to kill the unknown (expecially now that the seer is already dead). So I don't think Nerwen's retraction to improve her own chances of survival tells us anything about her role.

I like Shasta's analysis of Mira.. If Nerwen is not a wolf, Mira would probably be my second bet.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Aganzir is also starting to worry me, but this will probably annoy her because I don't have any rational reasons.

No it would annoy me if you did have reasons because they are bound to be bad.

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If you must choose between yourself and an unknown and you know you're innocent, it's better for you to kill the unknown (expecially now that the seer is already dead). So I don't think Nerwen's retraction to improve her own chances of survival tells us anything about her role.

I think you too missed my point but enough of that. You however have yet to explain to me why dumping the retractables would be good for the innocent team but bad for the wolves, as you stated earlier.

[Nerwen]

Agan–

I have answered every point of yours that I could see. If there were other points I didn't deliberately ignore them, I just didn't recognise them as points.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

You said you wouldn't ignore the Lottie-voters (Lommy, Green & Legate) because the circumstances of the bandwagon were odd. Why were they odd?

I can't even remember what I meant at the time– I think that it seemed to come out of nowhere. I never could understand why Lottie was suspicious.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Commenting is fine by itself. But your comment looked sinister. Yes I know there wasn't much to talk about yet and we had to start from somewhere, but there was just something about the comment, the way it was phrased or something. I don't think you can answer to it any better, but it's still creepy.

You see? There's nothing in it and you know it. You have obsessed about a completely natural, sensible and, frankly, obvious comment I made early in the game beyond all reason. Get over it.

Do you know who else pursued another player relentlessly for saying something like, "we should scrutinize winty's vote?" That's right. Nogwolf. After innocent Zil.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Maybe I'm just a more single-minded player, but when the seer is killed by the wolves, my first thought isn't usually that they wanted to frame somebody.

It wasn't my first thought. I was listing all possible reasons why wolves might kill someone. Again, get over it.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What does your comment about wolf tactics tending to run in cycles actually mean and could you give some examples?

I thought it was self-explanatory. But okay, take wolf-on-wolf suspicions, then. Why is this important, anyway?

All your points are like this, Agan. They're taking extremely minor things I've said and blowing them out of all proportion. There's so many that anyone skimming your posts probably thinks you've made an awesome watertight case against me.

And yes, I'm angry now. I'm feeling extremely frustrated with this situation.
What annoys me is that I have played an excellent game in terms of wolf-spotting, and my reward is having to defend every single trivial, casual remark I've made in the entire game. Looking for wolf-slips is one thing, but the amount of quibbling you're doing is through the roof.

I'm actually only defending myself for the benefit of other players. You, I'm sure, will never back down or admit you might have been wrong, no matter what I say.

EDIT:X'd with Lommy and Agan.

[wilwarin538]

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Alirin walked and walked and walked. She wasn’t sure really where she was, or how far she was from the blue door, if she was going in a circle or not, the path went in all sort of directions so she really had no idea of where she could be heading. Finally after a long time of not seeing anything but trees and flowers she saw something extremely familiar.

Alirin walked up to the March Hare’s home and looked at the long table. The *teapot* was still sitting in the same spot and the Hatter was still face down in his cup. However the March Hare was no longer at the table, he was sitting on his door step. All around him on the ground he had cups and teapots and biscuits. He was drinking a large cup of tea while also pouring sugar into a flower bed beside him and jittering nervously to himself.

Alirin sat down on the ground facing him and tried to find a clean cup to have some tea as well.

“Have some wine.” he offered trying to smile at her, though it looked rather twitchy.

Alirin looked around. “I don’t see any wine.”

“There isn’t any.” he replied. Alirin was about to say something about how uncivil that was but chose not too because of the Hare’s fragile state. Alirin sat quietly for a time as the Hare mumbled “twinkle, twinkle, twinkle” over and over again while wringing his long ears.

“He’s gone even madder!” Alirin thought to herself, “Though considering his friends died it is not surprising.” This thought she had also made her wonder why she hadn’t yet gone mad, considering all the death she had witness in Wonderland. Though the Cat had told her she was already mad, perhaps he had been right.

As she continued to contemplate her madness the Hare had now started eating a plum cake and was saying “best butter, best butter” over and over to himself.
Alirin began to grow bored of the Hare, who was clearly going bonkers and was not in the mood for conversation. But she was tired of walking and decided to sit a while longer.

“How are you feeling Mr. Hare?” she decided to ask him. He jumped at the sound of her voice and looked at her wide eyed, as though he had forgotten she was there the whole time.

“I didn’t steal anything.” he said.

“I said feel, not steal.” she said, being sure to annunciate clearly.

“I don’t like eels.” the Hare said, shaking his head very quickly and looking closely at his spoon.

Alirin decided to give up, and was about to get up and leave when the Hare got up first. She thought he might go inside his home, but instead he started to climb up it. In no time at all he was sitting on top of his roof with a teapot and his plum cake. This behaviour was just too odd for Alirin to ignore.

“Mr. Hare, I have to insist that you come back down!” she hollered up to him. He looked at her startled again. “He really keeps forgetting I’m here!” she thought to herself. This time he was so terrified by her presence that he begun pacing quickly back and forth while talking to his teapot about butter and bats, and eventually he was going so fast that he lost his balanced and tumbled off the back of his house.

Surprisingly Alirin was not surprised by this, since it had become rather normal for everyone in her presence to perish suddenly. So she once again started to walk back down the path, wondering if anyone would ever survive more than five minutes in her presence.

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Dead
Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1
Boro - the Caterpillar - Shirriff - killed Night 2
Sally - the Dormouse - Wolf - lynched Day 2
Izzy - White Rabbit - Ordinary - killed Night 3
Glirdan - Mad Hatter - Wolf - lynched Day 3
Greenie - White Night - Seer - killed Night 4
Nogrod – Cheshire Cat – Wolf – lynched Day 4
Nienna - White Queen - Hunter - killed Night 5
Inzil - King of Hearts - Ordinary - hunter killed Night 5
Morsul - Mock Turtle - Ordinary - lynched Day 5
Mira - March Hare - Ordinary - lynched Day 6

Alive
Wintywinty – Tweedledum
Agan – Queen of Hearts
Shasta – Knave of Hearts
Lottie – Duchess
Nerwen – the Dodo
Legate – Jabberwocky
Skip – Humpty Dumpty
Lommy – the Gryphon
Brinniel – Tweedledee

It is still Night 7.

[wilwarin538]

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Alirin walked down the path feeling greatly depressed. She decided she had to do something to cheer herself up. After a few moments of thought she decided that skipping would do the trick. She skipped down the path for a few moments and really started to feel much happier. This is when she saw a long wall up ahead and an egg sitting on top. As she got closer to it she could see that this egg had a face and arms and legs and knew that it had to be Humpty Dumpty himself.

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall

“Tell me your name and your business.” he said to her as she stopped in front of him.

“My name is Alirin.”

“That’s a stupid enough name!” Humpty Dumpty said, “What does it mean?”

“Must a name mean something?” Alirin asked.

“Of course it must!” Humpty said, “My name means the shape I am, and a good handsome shape it is! With a name like yours, you might be any shape!”

“Why do you sit here all alone?” Alirin asked, not wishing to start an argument.

“Why, because there’s nobody with me!” cried Humpty Dumpty.

Humpty Dumpty had a great fall

“Don’t you think you’d be safer on the ground? You could fall off.” she asked him.

“Of course I would not! Now if I ever did fall off – which would never happen – but IF I were to, why the king has promised me, with his very own mouth, that he would –“

“Send all his horses and all his men.” Alirin finished.

All the kings horses and all the kings men

“Why, I declare!” Humpty Dumpty declared, “You’ve been listening at doors, and behind trees, and down chimneys, or else you wouldn’t have known that!”

“What a nice belt you have!”Alirin remarked, ignoring the accusation that she eavesdropped.

“Thank you. It was a un-birthday present from the White King and Queen.” he answered, looking rather proud when he mentioned the royals.

“What is a un-birthday present?” Alirin asked.

“Clearly, it is a present you receive on a day that is not your birthday.” he answered.

“I think I prefer birthday presents.” Alirin responded.

“Well, that is ridiculous. How many days of the year is it your birthday?” he asked.

“One.” she responded.

“How many days are there in a year?” Humpty Dumpty questioned, crossing his arms and leaning forward. Alirin was sure he’d fall off at any moment.

“Three hundred and sixty five, of course.” she replied.

“So therefore, how many days are there that are not your birthday?” he asked.

“Three hundred and sixty four.” she answered.

“So then there are three hundred and sixty four days to get un-birthday presents, and only one day to get a birthday present, making un-birthday presents much better.”

Alirin didn’t want to argue so she asked Humpty Dumpty if there was anything special about the belt.

“Why yes, in fact there is.” he answered. “It helps me protect people!”

“From what?” she asked.

“Various things that people would need protecting from, of course!” Humpty Dumpty answered, looking very proud. Suddenly he lost his balance, just as she had been predicting, and came tumbling to the ground into a hundreds of little pieces.

Couldn’t put Humpty together again

Alirin continued down the path once more, not in the mood for skipping any longer.

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Dead
Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1
Boro - the Caterpillar - Shirriff - killed Night 2
Sally - the Dormouse - Wolf - lynched Day 2
Izzy - White Rabbit - Ordinary - killed Night 3
Glirdan - Mad Hatter - Wolf - lynched Day 3
Greenie - White Night - Seer - killed Night 4
Nogrod – Cheshire Cat – Wolf – lynched Day 4
Nienna - White Queen - Hunter - killed Night 5
Inzil - King of Hearts - Ordinary - hunter killed Night 5
Morsul - Mock Turtle - Ordinary - lynched Day 5
Mira - March Hare - Ordinary - lynched Day 6
Skip - Humpty Dumpty - Ranger - killed Night 7

Alive
Wintywinty – Tweedledum
Agan – Queen of Hearts
Shasta – Knave of Hearts
Lottie – Duchess
Nerwen – the Dodo
Legate – Jabberwocky
Lommy – the Gryphon
Brinniel – Tweedledee

It is now Day 7. Yes you can post a bit early.

[Loslote]

I trust:
Me.

I mostly trust:
Agan
Shasta
Brinn

I don't know about:
WW
Lommy

I suspect:
Nerwen
Legate

I want a Legate lynch. I may settle for a Nerwen lynch, but only if there is absolutely no chance of a Legate lynch.

And I don't think Legate was the Cursed, I think he was always a wolf. If there is a Cursed, I think it's Nerwen, which is why I want Legate lynched first.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Alright, can I just say that Brinn isn't the only one who is really bothered by winty's fly-by voting?

Back with more a bit later, probably on Legate/Nerwen/Agan or thereabouts. I really don't think we can afford to keep ignoring winty for long, though.