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Old 04-21-2010, 05:38 PM   #5
Gorthaur the Cruel
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Originally Posted by Pitchwife View Post
I guess it depends on what exactly 'all things wrought by the Three' means. Is it 'everything ever made by the respective bearers', or only 'everything made by using the powers of the Rings'? The latter makes more sense to me - and if so, the question is whether Galadriel made any use of Nenya at all in making the Star-glass. I suppose a connection could be made between the Ring of Water and the water in the phial, but that seems a rather tenuous association to me. In itself, the feat of catching the light of Eärendil's star in a phial of water doesn't seem beyond the art and craft of the Elves without the help of any Ring - certainly not beyond that of a lore-wise Noldo like Galadriel (for precedents, see the blue Fëanorian lamps mentioned e.g. in the UT version of Tuor, and of course Fëanor's making of the Silmarils).
We should also remember that the light of the phial was actually the light of a Silmaril, and I'd think it quite probable that it somehow hallowed and preserved the vessel it was set in.

(x-ed with Mnemo, who more or less says the same in fewer words)
The element of water and her ring Nenya could not have been an accidental connection. And I'm aware of other Noldors creating the Feanorian lamps. But the light of the Phial was more than ornamental. It had a spiritual power that saved Frodo from using the One near Minas Morgul and broke the will of the sentient Watchers to allow Sam passage. I don't remember these abilities being exhibited by the Silmaril in the 1st age, other than burning Morgoth's hands and Carcaroth's stomach (although Earendil's passage of the enchanted isles echos Sam's ordeal). But if it were truly the singular power of the Silmaril within the star-glass, why would it be powerless in the heart of Sauron's Realm? Surely this instance strongly suggests the connection with Nenya in the Phial's creation. The Phial seemed far more potent than any other light-related creations of the Noldor, save Feanor's Silmarils. Thus, if it ceased to give light in Mt. Doom, it must've been created with Nenya, for Sauron is mightier than Galadriel and Nenya.
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