WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

ZMOG!11! u m3an taht gam3 wEar shaSta r3vealed as teh raNjer & borow00lf got u all 2 linch him??? ROFL!!!!!11111

...Um... seriously, why?

Yeah exactly that one.
And I don't really know why, the tone of it was just similar... If I had any other thoughts about it, I've forgotten them by now. As you should know, I rely more on my feelings than logic when finding wolves, and when somebody has said something evil-sounding many enough times, I try to see if logic backs up my initial suspicion.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You do know that's not evidence, right?

I do and I wouldn't have posted it if there wasn't a chance I had texted him "Eeek they're sure to lynch me we won't win after all!" because personally I dislike it when someone tries to prove their innocence with RL stuff.

No, I don't think that's the same at all.

I think it's close enough.

And I don't claim to be above gloating in victory, either, but what I said to Brinn would have been awfully mean from a wolf to the innocent she was in the process of lynching– sort of twisting the knife in the wound.

I know. But if you aren't the wolf, it's Shasta who has looked very innocent pretty much throughout the entire game. Or then Lommy is lying and the real unicorn keeps quiet. These are the options that I have - a known innocent, a very very innocent-looking person, and one who I've been suspecting to a heavy extent before but who does something that would be very mean for a wolf to do. Out of all these, you're my best bet.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yeah exactly that one.
And I don't really know why, the tone of it was just similar... If I had any other thoughts about it, I've forgotten them by now. As you should know, I rely more on my feelings than logic when finding wolves, and when somebody has said something evil-sounding many enough times, I try to see if logic backs up my initial suspicion.

Oh, no, you'll have to do better than that, Agan. Why, if I'd made a comparison like that and failed to back it up, you'd be at my throat!

Though, perhaps I can help you out. Both incidents you're referring to involved me saying something another player (or players) did might (or might not, in the case of winty) be suspicious. Now I can see where the similarity comes in– those are the only two times anyone has said that about anyone else in the entire history of Werewolf!

–Wait, what?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I do and I wouldn't have posted it if there wasn't a chance I had texted him "Eeek they're sure to lynch me we won't win after all!" because personally I dislike it when someone tries to prove their innocence with RL stuff.

Oh, so do I... but aren't you trying to do it indirectly, there? If not, what really is the point of saying it at all?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, no, you'll have to do better than that, Agan. Why, if I'd made a comparison like that and failed to back it up, you'd be at my throat!

It wasn't actually a point against you, I said it to illustrate why I made a fuss of your "wolf tactics run in cycles" comment and the comments before it. Because it gave me a slightly bad feeling about you that became gradually stronger.

Now I can see where the similarity comes in– those are the only two times anyone has said that about anyone else in the entire history of Werewolf!

In other words: it reminded me of Nerwolf. Not just the comment itself but combined with the way you said it, it felt bad.

Oh, so do I... but aren't you trying to do it indirectly, there? If not, what really is the point of saying it at all?

You can interpret it like that if you want to but, objectively, I think it's a comment that could go either way so you can't deduce my role from it. And I said it because it was an amusing thing to say, just like Lommy told she had a dream about the game.

So who's trying to witchhunt now, Nerwen?

Oh and it takes one innocent to vote wrong and we've lost the game (because whether the wolf is Shasta or Nerwen, they both can probably be around at deadline, at least given their timezones)...
At the moment I don't particularly care if you lynch me because you can't blame me for our loss anyway (except Brinn). In hindsight I'm only sorry about voting for her yesterday (sorry I forgot to say it in my last post ) - if I had voted for Nerwen instead, we could've lynched her and the game would most likely be over now.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It wasn't actually a point against you, I said it to illustrate why I made a fuss of your "wolf tactics run in cycles" comment and the comments before it. Because it gave me a slightly bad feeling about you that became gradually stronger.

About as vague as it gets, Agan.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

In other words: it reminded me of Nerwolf. Not just the comment itself but combined with the way you said it, it felt bad.

Also as vague as it gets. In other words: it reminded you of every werewolf player ever.

(FYI. This is the post she's talking about. The one she insisted was a call to lynch wintywinty.)

Originally Posted by Aganzir

You can interpret it like that if you want to but, objectively, I think it's a comment that could go either way so you can't deduce my role from it. And I said it because it was an amusing thing to say, just like Lommy told she had a dream about the game.

So who's trying to witchhunt now, Nerwen?

Not I. I just asked you why you said it. It was really quite an odd thing to say. What I call "witch-hunting" is when you latch on to a completely ordinary, casual remark that anyone might make, insist that it's a sign of wolvery and force the other party to explain it over and over again, then say "The explanation only makes you look worse", or "Aha! You're defensive!" or "Well, it doesn't matter, you just feel bad". And with any luck, by that time half the village will be after the victim. Sound familiar?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Oh and it takes one innocent to vote wrong and we've lost the game (because whether the wolf is Shasta or Nerwen, they both can probably be around at deadline, at least given their timezones)...
At the moment I don't particularly care if you lynch me because you can't blame me for our loss anyway (except Brinn).

My dear Agan, if you do turn out innocent I will most certainly blame you for our loss– see my comments to Brinn yesterDay and then multiply them by ten. If you're both innocent, that would mean neither of you even has the excuse of having been manipulated by a wolf!

And of course, it would also mean I certainly couldn't be blamed for our loss– but the funny thing is, I most certainly care if I get lynched. That whole wanting-the-village win thing, you know.

EDIT:word alteration, spelling.

[Nerwen]

So, could Shasta be the wolf?

Well, he could, yes. He could have come back near DL, worried that Lottie would convince me to vote Legate rather than Agan and that winty might follow suit, and decided to jump on the possible bandwagon because of how good it would make him look, rather than either doing nothing or trying to help Legate by switching to me. Far-fetched, perhaps, but possible. And there have been some points against him, like his role in getting Morsul lynched.

All the same, I can't really see Shasta being the one that gets lynched toDay.

[Nerwen]

Anyway– I might not be able to make the DL this time, so–

++Aganzir

Because there's more against her, by a long shot.

(And Shasta, if it's you after all, you're just brilliant and I will give you a wonderful rep when it's all over.)

Good night and good luck.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading, will post momentarily.

As promised, sorry Brinn.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

The other is that I was thinking last Night that it would actually be better strategy for an Aganwolf to kill Shasta rather than Lottie.

I disagree. That would have made it Lottie, Lommy, Nerwen, and Aganzir at deadline... two of which were/are cleared innocents. I'm not sure that's something the wolf would have wanted to risk at endgame.

Originally Posted by Lommy

What else? Oh, I also had a dream last night where there was huge BD meeting somewhere and somebody (I think Greenie) suggested we finish this game as a RL game by having a few hour picnic. Everybody thought it was a good idea except Agan who said it wouldn't be fair to the wolf because her expressions can reveal her and she sort of slipped she was talking about herself.

Oh, then clearly it's Agan.

Originally Posted by Agan

and that if I was a wolf, my voting record would be much better.

Haven't I already said I disagree with this? If I haven't, then I should have - you can't ask us to take on faith what you "would do if" you were a wolf.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

ZMOG!11! u m3an taht gam3 wEar shaSta r3vealed as teh raNjer & borow00lf got u all 2 linch him??? ROFL!!!!!11111

Translation:

Originally Posted by Nerwen translated

Oh my dear goodness! Do you mean that game where Shasta revealed as the almighty Ranger, and the silly village actually listened to Borowolf and lynched him?! That's so incredibly amusing!

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You do know that's not evidence, right?

I don't think it was supposed to be evidence, Nerwen. Just something amusing to point out.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Though, perhaps I can help you out. Both incidents you're referring to involved me saying something another player (or players) did might (or might not, in the case of winty) be suspicious. Now I can see where the similarity comes in– those are the only two times anyone has said that about anyone else in the entire history of Werewolf!

–Wait, what?

This made me giggle.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

My dear Agan, if you do turn out innocent I will most certainly blame you for our loss– see my comments to Brinn yesterDay and then multiply them by ten. If you're both innocent, that would mean neither of you even has the excuse of having been manipulated by a wolf!

This bothered me yesterday and it's bothering me again today. Do we have to throw blame around like it's candy?