Did Maedhros kill Laughter? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nerwen · 04-28-2010, 01:31 PM

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You're babbling nonsense.

I think not, my young friend. You will find the fragment Narn i Gwilwileth Luin in Part 4 of The History of Middle Earth, Volume 10, as part of Note 12(b) to the long metaphysical dialogue Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth.

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Besides, had Lalaith lived, she would put herself between Glaurung and Niniel.

...become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that?

Pitchwife · 04-28-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

...become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that?

Of course not. Don't you see? If Lalaith had survived, she'd have tied Glaurung into a knot before going on to single-handedly defeat Morgoth and retrieve the remaining two Silmaril while fending off the futile attacks of the seven sons of Feanor with the other hand, and then... well, I don't know how she could have topped that, but she was just that freaking awesome that Tolkien simply had to kill her off before she could ruin the whole Silmarillion.

Nerwen · 04-28-2010, 02:30 PM

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Of course not. Don't you see? If Lalaith had survived, she'd have tied Glaurung into a knot before going on to single-handedly defeat Morgoth and retrieve the remaining two Silmaril while fending off the futile attacks of the seven sons of Feanor with the other hand, and then... well, I don't know how she could have topped that, but she was just that freaking awesome that Tolkien simply had to kill her off before she could ruin the whole Silmarillion.

Ahem. I think the least you can do is refer to the book by its true title: The Lalaithion.

Inziladun · 04-28-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

...become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that?

I heard that's what PJ's doing for the film version....

Eorl of Rohan · 04-28-2010, 06:06 PM

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Lalaith ... become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that?

+rolls over in tears crying from laughing too much+

+sobers up+ Except the reason Turin fell for Niniel in the first place MIGHT possibly have been because he loved Lalaith very much in their childhood
and was probably unconsciously seeking someone like her in appearance and temperament as a psychological compensation for her loss. Now THAT would make for a happy ending.

Mnemosyne · 04-28-2010, 11:19 PM

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Really,did Maedhros kill Laughter?

Yes.

He scowled too much, and he had this uncanny ability to give you The Look whenever you were making jokes behind his back about how his robes really clashed with his hair, and if that doesn't kill Laughter I don't know what does...

...Wrong thread?

(Would contribute, but I can't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said.)

the phantom · 04-28-2010, 11:43 PM

It's the fault of Lalaith's great great grandparents for moving to a location within plague range of the most evil spot in all of Arda. It's the fault of the elves living up there for inviting the mortals to move there. It's the fault of the Valar for letting Morgoth loose. It's the fault of Eru for creating Morgoth. It's the fault of Morgoth himself for releasing the plague.

After all of that, it's difficult to give any sizable portion of blame to Maedhros. But I'll try, darn it! Or at least I would if it weren't for the fact that he is incredibly cool.

Plus- Turin didn't die, did he? Did Morwen? No. They were strong. Lalaith, on the other hand- she was a victim of her own weak nature, and was deservedly removed before she could drag down her mighty family.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 04-29-2010, 03:21 AM

Maybe someone could move this to Mirth? Then I'll explain how Lalaith is actually a Warg.

Estelyn Telcontar · 04-29-2010, 04:28 AM

I was thinking the same thing, Eomer - this thread has definitely taken a turn into the mirthful! Consider it done.

Urwen · 04-29-2010, 05:19 AM

Lalaith ... become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that?

Not exactly. She could look in Niniel's eyes instead of Glaurung's. There's no need for her to look in Glaurungs eyes, only to prevent their eye contact. And for that,she is allowed to turn her back on Glaurung.

Nerwen · 04-29-2010, 06:38 AM

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[/I]Not exactly. She could look in Niniel's eyes instead of Glaurung's. There's no need for her to look in Glaurungs eyes, only to prevent their eye contact. And for that,she is allowed to turn her back on Glaurung.

Turn her back on Glaurung?

Are you sure that's entirely wise? Really?

04-28-2010, 11:43 PM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	It's the fault of Lalaith's great great grandparents for moving to a location within plague range of the most evil spot in all of Arda. It's the fault of the elves living up there for inviting the mortals to move there. It's the fault of the Valar for letting Morgoth loose. It's the fault of Eru for creating Morgoth. It's the fault of Morgoth himself for releasing the plague. After all of that, it's difficult to give any sizable portion of blame to Maedhros. But I'll try, darn it! Or at least I would if it weren't for the fact that he is incredibly cool. Plus- Turin didn't die, did he? Did Morwen? No. They were strong. Lalaith, on the other hand- she was a victim of her own weak nature, and was deservedly removed before she could drag down her mighty family. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

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Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Maybe someone could move this to Mirth? Then I'll explain how Lalaith is actually a Warg. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

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Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I was thinking the same thing, Eomer - this thread has definitely taken a turn into the mirthful! Consider it done. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

04-29-2010, 05:19 AM	#10
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Lalaith ... become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that? Not exactly. She could look in Niniel's eyes instead of Glaurung's. There's no need for her to look in Glaurungs eyes, only to prevent their eye contact. And for that,she is allowed to turn her back on Glaurung. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 04-29-2010 at 05:33 AM.