Gandalf Vs. The Witch King

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Rhino

I just feel that he handled the scene well, and that so many seem to have negitive feelings towards it is unfair....

Well, that would be your opinion, to which you are certainly entitled. However, my opinion differs drastically from yours, and your points neither move me nor do I feel it necessary to further quantify the opposing view, as I gave up redundancy for the New Year. That and liver.

[Nerwen]

Hey, stop picking on the newbie, you two.

[JoltFlame]

I hope for the closing of this long thread and the conclusion that the Black Rider indeed is superior to Gandalf, so is the tale told.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by JoltFlame

I hope for the closing of this long thread and the conclusion that the Black Rider indeed is superior to Gandalf, so is the tale told.

Repeating yourself doesn't make you right, particularly since you have lost the debate. I only mention that because it is one of those life lessons one must learn.

[Pitchwife]

Oh Morth, stop being so condescending and flaunting your old age wisdom, please. Even though you're right.

Originally Posted by JoltFlame

I hope for the closing of this long thread and the conclusion that the Black Rider indeed is superior to Gandalf, so is the tale told.

By Jackson, yes. By Tolkien, no.
Seriously, listen to this:

Originally Posted by Lotr Book V, The Siege of Gondor

'You cannot enter here', said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. 'Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go!'

Does he sound like he's dreading to be outmatched by a superior power? Does he sound like he's just making bold words and whistling in the dark? Or does he sound like he knows he's in for a confrontation that will demand all his strength but is confident that he will prevail?
At any rate he certainly doesn't sound like the pathetic excuse for an Istar PJ chose to show us.

[Inziladun]

In the books, Gandalf overthrew one of Morgoth's Balrogs, though his physical body died in the process.

In the books, the Witch-king was wounded by a Hobbit with a Barrow-blade, and finished off by a woman with an ordinary sword.

That was after Gandalf fought off all nine of the Nazgûl at once at Weathertop.

Now, PJ had things quite a bit different is his mind, but in Tolkien's world, it's Gandalf hands down.

[Galadriel]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

In the books, Gandalf overthrew one of Morgoth's Balrogs, though his physical body died in the process.

In the books, the Witch-king was wounded by a Hobbit with a Barrow-blade, and finished off by a woman with an ordinary sword.

That was after Gandalf fought off all nine of the Nazgûl at once at Weathertop.

Now, PJ had things quite a bit different is his mind, but in Tolkien's world, it's Gandalf hands down.

True that.

[alatar]

But like I've been told a billion times, PJ's adaptation is not exactly Tolkien's world. My problem, however, since that fateful day with the extended version of RotK came out, is that, even at first blush, PJ's world did not appear to be internally consistent.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

In the books, Gandalf overthrew one of Morgoth's Balrogs, though his physical body died in the process.

Note that it the movie it's just 'a Balrog,' though not just more than man-high. You'd think that taking down this creature, as we see in TTT, it'd count for something to Gandalf's credit.

In the books, the Witch-king was wounded by a Hobbit with a Barrow-blade, and finished off by a woman with an ordinary sword.

Note that in the movie, Merry's blade is not magical or extraordinary in any way, yet can still pierce the unseen sinews of the Witch-King.

That was after Gandalf fought off all nine of the Nazgûl at once at Weathertop.

Note that Aragorn chased five - FIVE - of them away (one of which was the Witch-King) from Weathertop using a non-Anduril sword and some fiery pieces of wood.

Now, PJ had things quite a bit different is his mind, but in Tolkien's world, it's Gandalf hands down.

But this is the movie section.