Did Elves Use Magic? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Galadriel · 07-02-2010, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay... you added that last bit since I made my first reply.

What's the difference?

Ummm...because I have not really come across any doors that are sealed by magic (except the ones at Moria) :P
Oh wait, didn't I just answer my own question?
O.O

Galadriel55 · 10-25-2010, 05:38 PM

In my opinion, the "magic" that elves and wizards and Nazguls do really isn't magic - more like the willpower of the person put into words and actions. Galadriel says that with her will she can ake the mirror show whatever she wants, but hobbits would call the mirror magic. Melian, with her thought and will, made the "wall" around Doriath. Morgoth kept Hurin glued to the seat in Thangorodrim with his will. I thinkt that the incantations really are just a way of expressing everything. The words don't really matter. If, lets say, Pippin tried to light a fire with "Anun on adriath ammin" he won't succeed, not because he's not a wizard, but because he lacks the inner power behind the words.
Even today, in the real world, very "talented" people can do physical actions with thoughts or read minds or that sort of thing.

PS: Melon isn't an incantation, it's a password, so it doesn't matter who says it.

xMellrynxMaidenx · 10-25-2010, 06:27 PM

To us, it's magic. Because they use powers that we can't explain. As Nerwen said, the elves didn't like the use of the westron word, "Magic" because of the wrong connotations used.

In my opinion, and I think someone may have had a similar idea, Elves were just more...in tune with nature and the things around them because they've had longer to get in touch with the things around them. It doesn't necessarily mean they use magic.

Edit:Legate was the person who had the similar idea lol. They've basically summed what I was thinking up and even described it better than I could have.

Galadriel55 · 10-27-2010, 04:13 PM

I agree with Mellrynx about the nature part of it. So it's like nature helps them achieve their goals...in a way

10-25-2010, 05:38 PM	#2
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,521	In my opinion, the "magic" that elves and wizards and Nazguls do really isn't magic - more like the willpower of the person put into words and actions. Galadriel says that with her will she can ake the mirror show whatever she wants, but hobbits would call the mirror magic. Melian, with her thought and will, made the "wall" around Doriath. Morgoth kept Hurin glued to the seat in Thangorodrim with his will. I thinkt that the incantations really are just a way of expressing everything. The words don't really matter. If, lets say, Pippin tried to light a fire with "Anun on adriath ammin" he won't succeed, not because he's not a wizard, but because he lacks the inner power behind the words. Even today, in the real world, very "talented" people can do physical actions with thoughts or read minds or that sort of thing. PS: Melon isn't an incantation, it's a password, so it doesn't matter who says it. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

10-25-2010, 06:27 PM	#3
xMellrynxMaidenx Wight Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Riding with the Grey Company Posts: 120	To us, it's magic. Because they use powers that we can't explain. As Nerwen said, the elves didn't like the use of the westron word, "Magic" because of the wrong connotations used. In my opinion, and I think someone may have had a similar idea, Elves were just more...in tune with nature and the things around them because they've had longer to get in touch with the things around them. It doesn't necessarily mean they use magic. Edit:Legate was the person who had the similar idea lol. They've basically summed what I was thinking up and even described it better than I could have. __________________ ~\|And all will turn, to silver glass. A light on the water, Grey ships pass, Into the West. \|~ "Few now remember them...yet still some go wandering, sons of forgotten kings walking in loneliness, guarding from evil things folks that are heedless."

10-27-2010, 04:13 PM	#4
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,521	I agree with Mellrynx about the nature part of it. So it's like nature helps them achieve their goals...in a way __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera