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Blind Guardian · 07-05-2010, 08:01 PM

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I was thinking of an Official Rules thread. Can I start it?

Inziladun · 07-05-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I was thinking of an Official Rules thread. Can I start it?

Since mormegil is the mod of the parent forum, Middle-earth Mirth, I wonder if he shouldn't be the one to handle it. At any rate, it would take a mod to make the thread sticky.

Blind Guardian · 07-05-2010, 08:41 PM

Oh okay, go ahead. Can I start typing it up?

Nerwen · 07-05-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Oh okay, go ahead. Can I start typing it up?

Look, no offence, BeiGe, but I think that would be best left to the vetarans. What I think is most needed is a clear statement of what the basic rules are, as played here– and you haven't played in a standard game yet.

Brinniel · 07-05-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BG

Not counting noias game, if I play every game I can probably mod after Lottie. Sound good?

Do you mean Lommy? If you played in every mod's game on that list, then theoretically you would be eligible to mod after Inzil (since he signed up first). But first let's just try to sort out the issues at hand before making anything official.

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Originally Posted by wilwa

I think it'd also be a good idea to go a step further: that first time mods can only do a traditional game, and experimental ones should be left to those who have modded in the past (or at least who have played in a lot of games, like way more than just 6).

That's a good idea, though I do agree with Pitch that it should be a looser rule. I think experienced players (depending on the person) would be able to handle an experimental game, even if it's their first. It's been successful many times before.

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Originally Posted by Glirdan

And since we're on the topic of it, mine's definitely experimental and is a rather large game. So in answer to your question Brinn, I'm more or less waiting for a time when there will be about 19 people available to play.

Since Inzil wants to do a traditional game, perhaps you could switch places with him? Though maybe we should first figure out whether alona is going to mod at all before making any actual decisions.

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

D'accord about the Hunter and Cobbler, but I think a Seer's the absolute minimum of gifteds we ever had, and I don't see how that role could be dispensed with while still balancing the wolves' advantage of knowledge over the innocents...

I didn't say I agree with having no seer, but there are still traditionalists around who might prefer it. Having only a ranger for a gifted is just about as basic of a game you can get. It's a good formula if it's only a very small game that's being played, which rarely happens here.

And yeah, having a mod around to help organise things and set up some official guidelines would probably be the best thing right now. If there's an actual list of guidelines/rules, it'll be easier to follow them. And newbies will know better what they're getting into. That goes for not only rules for who is modding, but general gameplay too. We've had issues with that as well, and while experienced players already know what is frowned upon and generally not allowed, the newbies don't. Making a sticky about general gameplay and rules would be really good to have and helpful for everyone involved.

mormegil · 07-05-2010, 11:22 PM

Boromir, apprised me of the situation; thank you sir. I don't normally dip into this thread as it usually runs fairly smooth. I am trying to get caught up on what is going on. However I do feel at this point with so many players and so many that have enough experience a minimum of 5 games should be played prior to modding.

I would like to see some changes potentially to the modding list and how that is managed too. I have been rather laissez-faire in my approach and it has worked but I wonder if some guidelines there would be helpful too. The only guideline we have ever established was to limit the number on the list to 4 that was to make it so it wouldn't get out of control. If people are signing up and continue to hold or pass on their turn this creates problems. Glirdan it seems that this is happening currently but rest assured you are not targeted as I've seen it before. The problems arise because those who are behind them are not planning on modding for a few weeks at the soonest and suddenly their turn is thrust upon them. Would something like if you are unable to make your turn you are off the list be reasonable?

As far as a FAQ or General Rules and Guidelines, I would be happy to have a sticky (closed?) thread for it but I would request somebody step forward to help me write it (by help me write it I am basically asking you to write the whole thing. I have been far too busy with work and my Masters program to spend much time here...on a side note I hope to make some time for a WW venture in the coming months but we will see). Possibly a group of veteran players get together and come up with a list or post and with some general consensus I will gladly post it.

You can send me PMs as I do stop by the Downs daily but don't dive into all threads.

mormegil · 07-05-2010, 11:41 PM

A side note and something for the group to consider if we do a General Guidelines. I will post it so that it says something like "READ BEFORE PLAYING WW'. As such, I think somewhere in the middle of the thread or near the bottom we should put a sentence indicating that they need to say a certain phrase indicating that they have read the post otherwise they will not be accepted. I believe it important for new players to read and understand the guidelines/rules before signing up.

Inziladun · 07-07-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

Since Inzil wants to do a traditional game, perhaps you could switch places with him? Though maybe we should first figure out whether alona is going to mod at all before making any actual decisions.

If alona can't be reached and Glirdan wants to wait for a time when more people would be able to play, I could go next. It will have a Tolkien connection.

It would be at least a week before I could start though, as I'm scheduled to be out of town for a work-related conference beginning next Monday.
Then again, maybe a new game ought to wait until the general WW guide gets hashed out fully on the other thread.

mormegil · 07-07-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Then again, maybe a new game ought to wait until the general WW guide gets hashed out fully on the other thread.

I don't see that it needs to wait. I think this general guidelines may take a few days at least so there is no reason to postpone a game.

07-05-2010, 11:22 PM	#6
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Boromir, apprised me of the situation; thank you sir. I don't normally dip into this thread as it usually runs fairly smooth. I am trying to get caught up on what is going on. However I do feel at this point with so many players and so many that have enough experience a minimum of 5 games should be played prior to modding. I would like to see some changes potentially to the modding list and how that is managed too. I have been rather laissez-faire in my approach and it has worked but I wonder if some guidelines there would be helpful too. The only guideline we have ever established was to limit the number on the list to 4 that was to make it so it wouldn't get out of control. If people are signing up and continue to hold or pass on their turn this creates problems. Glirdan it seems that this is happening currently but rest assured you are not targeted as I've seen it before. The problems arise because those who are behind them are not planning on modding for a few weeks at the soonest and suddenly their turn is thrust upon them. Would something like if you are unable to make your turn you are off the list be reasonable? As far as a FAQ or General Rules and Guidelines, I would be happy to have a sticky (closed?) thread for it but I would request somebody step forward to help me write it (by help me write it I am basically asking you to write the whole thing. I have been far too busy with work and my Masters program to spend much time here...on a side note I hope to make some time for a WW venture in the coming months but we will see). Possibly a group of veteran players get together and come up with a list or post and with some general consensus I will gladly post it. You can send me PMs as I do stop by the Downs daily but don't dive into all threads. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

07-05-2010, 11:41 PM	#7
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	A side note and something for the group to consider if we do a General Guidelines. I will post it so that it says something like "READ BEFORE PLAYING WW'. As such, I think somewhere in the middle of the thread or near the bottom we should put a sentence indicating that they need to say a certain phrase indicating that they have read the post otherwise they will not be accepted. I believe it important for new players to read and understand the guidelines/rules before signing up. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”