WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[wilwarin538]

So, the False Seer discussion totally confuses me, so I'm not going to touch that.

The Lover thing seems to have taken up alot of the Day, which I guess makes sense since it's such an important part of the game. It just seems to have taken on a bit *too* much of the day, but oh well.

Boro makes more sense now, since I think he was using 'alied with Zeus' to be in reference of the 'good side'. So I'm not going to push it more. Same for Nerwen, with the Hades thing, as far as I can tell it was banter.

Now Eonwe. Well that's something else. For him to be so blatant if he's the Cursed he must kow that if he gets turned we're just going to lynch him. So maybe this is his way of staying allied to the village? Giving himself up so he doesn't have to be evil? Or he just partied to much, and it was also banter.

That one just seems different to me than the other two. But if he's the Cursed we shouldn't be killing him. Well, there is another option for what he could be doing (to help the village). But if I'm right than me saying it could kind of ruin it, so I'll stay quite for now.

As for who to vote for. No idea right now. Maybe Mac, since the Boro-Zeus thing makes no sense as a Lover hint. But that's kind of slim. Maybe BG, because I don't like it when people complain about it being slow and then don't say anything when there's talking. I'm gonna read some more, but I'll be around for the next hour or so, so I'll wait as long as possible.

x'posted with a few

[wilwarin538]

Oh. about when the cursed dies.

So what doesn't make sense to me. I would assume that when someone dies Glirdy will say something like "Downer X - Thanatos" in the deadlist. Since some of the roles are harder to categorise without saying the name of the god, and since even just saying Wolf would leave question what with the Lover situation. So when the cursed dies, if he suddenly says "wolf" or "ordo", when he's just been saying god names before, won't that seem a bit odd? Therefore wouldn't he have to reveal them as the cursed? He just wouldn't need to say wheter it is wolf-Dyonisis or ordo-Dyonisis, therefore keeping the mystery. We'd know the cursed is dead, just not whether they had been turned yet.

Atleast that's how I would do it. I just don't see how else he can keep the Cursed's identity hidden.

x'ed with BG and Tum

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Oh. about when the cursed dies.

So what doesn't make sense to me. I would assume that when someone dies Glirdy will say something like "Downer X - Thanatos" in the deadlist. Since some of the roles are harder to categorise without saying the name of the god, and since even just saying Wolf would leave question what with the Lover situation. So when the cursed dies, if he suddenly says "wolf" or "ordo", when he's just been saying god names before, won't that seem a bit odd? Therefore wouldn't he have to reveal them as the cursed? He just wouldn't need to say wheter it is wolf-Dyonisis or ordo-Dyonisis, therefore keeping the mystery. We'd know the cursed is dead, just not whether they had been turned yet.

Atleast that's how I would do it. I just don't see how else he can keep the Cursed's identity hidden.

x'ed with BG and Tum

This is a good point - it makes me wonder if he didn't think it through? It still doesn't make sense that "won't reveal the cursed" should mean "will reveal who the cursed is, but not when/whether xe is turned."

[Rikae]

Tum, are you saying that Mac's suspicion of Boro being a lover is a hint that Mac is a lover?

Although there's something to the idea that people tend to talk about their own roles more than might be wise, I think that's a little bit of a reach, especially considering that you dismiss the idea that Boro's hinting - which, though I don't really buy it, is more plausible than that Mac is.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, so I thought I could last another hour, but unlike my bestie I don't have the ability to stay up til 2am. Especially when I've just worked and have to be up early in the morning. I'm just too tired.

I just don't really know who to vote for yet. But I need to, really soon, and I want a stronger reason than 'she's too quiet'. But fatigue might get the best of me here.

I'll wait a bit more. Maybe someone will do something evil.

x'ed with Rikae and the Cupcake (who has been really quiet too)

[Rikae]

Hm, so apparently the narration will indicate when the cursed is turned - the ModGod has spoken. In that case, there really is no reason to go lynching Steve now.
I don't really want to vote for BG, since as far as I'm concerned she's done just as little to show she's a wolf as to show she isn't - but I still might vote for her for plain old lack of participation and sleeping under the reindeer. My other suspects are Nerwen, but I still think it's quite likely what she said was IC banter and I wouldn't like to lynch her for that; Phantom, but he hasn't explained himself and it would be a throwaway vote anyway, and Wilwa, simply because of the way she seemed to be trying to stir up suspicions around Boro's remarks while keeping her hands clean, so to speak, but again, that would be a throwaway.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Tum, are you saying that Mac's suspicion of Boro being a lover is a hint that Mac is a lover?

Although there's something to the idea that people tend to talk about their own roles more than might be wise, I think that's a little bit of a reach, especially considering that you dismiss the idea that Boro's hinting - which, though I don't really buy it, is more plausible than that Mac is.

I was throwing that out as a possibility. I thought it might be a little too obvious on Mac's part which is why I asked for other's opinions.

I didn't realize I had dismissed the idea the that Boro was hinting. I didn't really comment on it if that's what you mean. Since it's been brought up though I could see that yes it could be a hint coming from Boro. Yet I'm not convinced at all. I am pretty much on the fence with this one.

I have also been going through the posts to see if there are any hints that the lovers have thrown out. So far I haven't come across anything that stands out.

Edit: x-ed with wilwa, Nog, and Rikae

[wilwarin538]

Uh. *head desk* I'm falling asleep here and no one else looks bad to me. So I have to go with her, even though my reasons are rather skimpy:

++ Blind Guardian

*goes bed time*

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by autume98

I was throwing that out as a possibility. I thought it might be a little too obvious on Mac's part which is why I asked for other's opinions.

Too obvious? No, I don't think so. Quite the opposite. Unless you mean something more specific than just the fact that Mac talked about Boro's potential hint (which Wilwa, Nerwen, Phantom, Nogrod, etc. etc. talked about before Mac, for that matter - are they all lovers, too?)

Originally Posted by Autume

I didn't realize I had dismissed the idea the that Boro was hinting. I didn't really comment on it if that's what you mean. Since it's been brought up though I could see that yes it could be a hint coming from Boro. Yet I'm not convinced at all. I am pretty much on the fence with this one.

Well, saying that calling it a lover hint amounts to making a lover hint oneself is essentially dismissing it, unless you imagine that a lover-Mac would try to hint by outing what would essentially be an ally for possible lynching.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Too obvious? No, I don't think so. Quite the opposite. Unless you mean something more specific than just the fact that Mac talked about Boro's potential hint (which Wilwa, Nerwen, Phantom, Nogrod, etc. etc. talked about before Mac, for that matter - are they all lovers, too?)

At this time I don't think the others are lovers. Mac's last line just jumped out at me making me think that maybe he was trying to hint that he is a lover as seen below.

Originally Posted by Macalure

Hephaistos, not Ares. In my opinion, though it's frustrating to be alone with it, he used the reference to Zeus simply to say "I am a lover". Since we only have three, that's not a bad hint.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, saying that calling it a lover hint amounts to making a lover hint oneself is essentially dismissing it, unless you imagine that a lover-Mac would try to hint by outing what would essentially be an ally for possible lynching.

Edit: x-ed since #206
I guess I didn't see it as dismissing it. But I addressed it in an earlier post so I won't do so here.

At this time Mac is most suspicous in my book.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

As for who to vote for. No idea right now. Maybe Mac, since the Boro-Zeus thing makes no sense as a Lover hint. But that's kind of slim.

I'd have to disagree with you on that one, dear. What Mac said about Boro leaving a Lover hint does make sense (even though it took me fooorever to get). I'm still pretty convinced it was innocent banter, but it does make sense.

I'm also not stoked on this suspicion of Steve, for the same reasons as I wasn't stoked on suspecting Boro and Nerwen for what could very well be innocent Day 1 banter.

People I won't be voting for toDay:
Boro
Nerwen
Steve
(All for reasons previously stated.)
Shasta - I don't vote for people who don't appear. At least not Day 1.

Who I probably will be voting for toDay unless something better comes up within the next hour or so:
Blind Guardian - don't be posting that you want people to provide you with substance and then don't do anything to spark discussion.

EDIT: xed since the wilwa post I quoted. And bollox, that now looks suspiciously like bandwagoning.

[Nogrod]

Just going to bed while left the PC open... and I realised I wanted to see the tally. So why not send it to you as well? I think it bears watching...

Foley -> Eonwë
Greenie -> Macalaure
Kath -> Blind Guardian
Lalaith -> Boro
Inzil -> Blind Guardian 2
Nienna -> Eonwë 2
Sally -> Blind Guardian 3
Nogrod -> Nerwen
Wilwa -> Blind Guardian 4

Those with votes have their highest vote bolded...

I really think Wilwa's last one looks suspicious - and Sally's looks like a throwaway...

[Nogrod]

And a fast answer to Nerwen...

I did read your post about Zeus differently, like trying to persuade whoever played Zeus to think he would not win without Hera (and thus without the wolves).

And I would not have called you defensive (or over-defensive) if you'd tried to talk yourself out from that Hades stuff - which if you're innocent would be something you'd probably really have tried to speak yourself out from (and really the lovers need so badly to connect to each other in this game and you're one of the only ones who made any that kind of reference!).

But your reaction was an attack on one person. So trying to persuade people to lynch one person other than you instead of an innocent's reaction of trying to prove your innocense or giving us the whole list of your suspicions lynching one of which would be better. The wolves like to single out one they'd rather get rid off - the one they calculate is the possible one. It would require so much work to come up with many suspicions there would be some grounds for suspecting for someone who knows who the innocents are?

So really Nerwen, I do suspect you.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And I would not have called you defensive (or over-defensive) if you'd tried to talk yourself out from that Hades stuff - which if you're innocent would be something you'd probably really have tried to speak yourself out from

Once again: there's nothing for me to say. Either you believe me that it was just banter, or you don't. Repeating it over and over won't convince you, will it?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But your reaction was an attack on one person. So trying to persuade people to lynch one person other than you instead of an innocent's reaction of trying to prove your innocense or giving us the whole list of your suspicions lynching one of which would be better.

Now you're just attributing motives to me. That wasn't a "reaction". I pointed out some things Mac did because I thought they were suspicious. Besides, when have you ever seen me make a suspicion-list?

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

[Nogrod]

I seem to be trapped in a vicious circle... going to have a cigarette, going to brush my teeth... while leaving the computer on and just looking after every thing done if there is anything that is interesting... and of course there is... Gah!

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Once again: there's nothing for me to say. Either you believe me that it was just banter, or you don't. Repeating it over and over won't convince you, will it?

No. You're right. But if you gave it even an effort, if you protested even a bit more I could see the innocent frustration in there. Now I only see the calculated avoidance of the thing once you have stated your position once - as to not look too over-defensive... I do not claim to know how you think but I've been wolf many times enough to notice certain kind of behaviours that suggest to me the way I myself act in certain situations...

Now you're just attributing motives to me. That wasn't a "reaction". I pointed out some things Mac did because I thought they were suspicious. Besides, when have you ever seen me make a suspicion-list?

I was not calling for a list. I was just thinking that if you were an innocent, you probably had some ideas as to who the wolves are or anyway who were suspicious to you - I know all are not cabable of that but I do know you are - but you just jumped on one, like a wolf would do seeing things were going badly. As that is the easiest way, trying to find another scapegoat rather than giving multiple choices which are more insecure others might go for... or are right in the beginning (which is the concern an innocent has).

Also you seem to be avoiding some of the questions I made... like the fact that some people (especially Hades!) really need to try to establish a connection and you were one of the only ones a trial for that could be read out from. Another one being Eonwë, our most likely cursed villager. And really I don't buy your explanation of trying to think for the good of the village while lovers would play over the good of the village when it was a question of Zeus' alliance after Hera's death. And don't say you didn't intend that as we were clearly talking about the innocent-lover's alignment after the death of his/her mate.

So you're my suspicion number one, still.


On another note. I will be looking very closely on the BG -voters tomorrow if alive and she turns out innocent. I think I have never played with her, but this looks like a "collective avoiding the responsibility" and / or "trying to get through where the fence is the lowest", really. It's clear she has a thing or two to learn, but to jump on her that way is just... bad, well looking guilty trying to find an easy vote.

Especially for Wilwa - who should know better and who tried to talk on behalf of Nerwenas well...


x'd with a few, again...

[Nogrod]

Foley -> Eonwë
Greenie -> Macalaure
Kath -> Blind Guardian
Lalaith -> Boro
Inzil -> Blind Guardian 2
Nienna -> Eonwë 2
Sally -> Blind Guardian 3
Nogrod -> Nerwen
Wilwa -> Blind Guardian 4
Mira of Dol Guldur -> Blind Guardian 5
Rikae -> the phantom

Mira, you're really making yourself to flash out here as well!

[the phantom]

I am back and working on catching up with all the action...

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

I'd have to disagree with you on that one, dear. What Mac said about Boro leaving a Lover hint does make sense (even though it took me fooorever to get). I'm still pretty convinced it was innocent banter, but it does make sense.

I'm also not stoked on this suspicion of Steve, for the same reasons as I wasn't stoked on suspecting Boro and Nerwen for what could very well be innocent Day 1 banter.

People I won't be voting for toDay:
Boro

Rest assured you still know me quite well, thanks dear. Now, if I know you well, hopefully you read this ere the night ends, and hopefully it doesn't confuse you. Don't hestitate to pick me, sorry for any trouble, I gotta know.