WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But if you gave it even an effort, if you protested even a bit more I could see the innocent frustration in there.

No, actually I don't believe you. I don't believe there's any "perfect" way I could have responded that would have convinced you of my innocence. Whatever I did, you'd be saying it was a sign of guilt and something else the perfect response of an innocent. Sorry, played with you too many times, Nogrod.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As that is the easiest way, trying to find another scapegoat rather than giving multiple choices which are more insecure others might go for... or are right in the beginning (which is the concern an innocent has).

Again, attributing motive to me: I wasn't "trying to find a scapegoat". I wanted explanations from Mac for his conduct.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also you seem to be avoiding some of the questions I made... like the fact that some people (especially Hades!) really need to try to establish a connection and you were one of the only ones a trial for that could be read out from.

See my last post for why this is invalid.

Edit: X'd since my last post.

[the phantom]

All right- I've skimmed everything now at least. Two things-

1) Does anyone have an updated tally?

2) Does BG's vote count (it doesn't have ++)?

edit: x-posted, so never mind the tally

[Glirdan]

Again, I will count BeiGei's vote for now. However, from this Day on, everyone MUST vote as so -------> [ highlight]++insert name here[ /highlight]

I have spoken!

[autume98]

Originally Posted by the phantom

All right- I've skimmed everything now at least. Two things-

1) Does anyone have an updated tally?

2) Does BG's vote count (it doesn't have ++)?

edit: x-posted, so never mind the tally

With that the vote for Inzil is up in the air. So my list may or may not include Inzil.

Edit: x-ed with Mod and Shasta

[the phantom]

I'm not keen on lynching BG today, but if Nerwen continues to attract attention I will vote to preserve her, as I feel her to be quite innocent.

I'm going to go back now and take a look at Steve's post and see what I think.

Heh- I really seem to be disagreeing with Nog's suspicions today (his suspicions of those who reacted to Boro as well as Nerwen).

[Glirdan]

There is still 1 hour left before DL with six players left to vote.

The tally at this time is as follows:

Folwren --> Eonwe
Greenie --> Mac
Kath --> BeiGei
Lalaith --> Boromir
Zil --> BeiGei 2
Nienna --> Eonwe 2
Sally --> BeiGei 3
Nog --> Nerwen
Wilwa -> BeiGei 4
Mira --> BeiGei 5
Rikae --> the phantom
Mc --> Nerwen 2
BeiGei --> Zil
Shasta --> Eonwe 3

[autume98]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I'm not keen on lynching BG today, but if Nerwen continues to attract attention I will vote to preserve her, as I feel her to be quite innocent.

I'm going to go back now and take a look at Steve's post and see what I think.

Heh- I really seem to be disagreeing with Nog's suspicions today (his suspicions of those who reacted to Boro as well as Nerwen).

I think we should keep Eonwe around. If he turns then we can always lynch him the next day. Right?

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Moving on now, I'm not sure about Nog's idea about making something of the responses to Boro, as at that stage I personally believe everyone was just itching to have something real to discuss- mechanics and hammering out rules etc. Stretching their legs. Had a Day 2 comment been over-analyzed and jumped on I'd be more likely to agree.

Indeed. I think it's mostly silly fun, but I do think out of all of it I've got a fairly good feeling about Nog. He's reminding me less of his real life WW counterpart, and in a good way.

Although, I'm not sure there was a wolf in that group trying to look at my Zeus comments. Greenie looks more or less ok, looking at all her posts in their entirety, and not just the part where I confused her with the remarks.

Wilwa and Mac know better, if they're wolves to try and pick a fight and lynch me this early, because they know I wouldn't go down easily and in the veyr least if I died they would follow. Wilwa I like slightly more than Greenie in all of it.

Mac I'm confused by what he's trying to say it is, whether I'm a random lover leaving the most vague nigh impossible hint for my partner to try and pick up on, or that I was hinting I was Zeus? Because Mac, you mentioned Mith's game where I bluntly said I was the cobbler and everyone ignored it as banter. So, you're right, I have done it and I enjoy it immensely and would probably do it again if I needed entertainment. However, for this to be true, you would have to be saying that I'm Zeus, which you said you didn't think I was doing.

In all of it, Mac's been the most astute, a bit confusing no doubt, but astute as to knowing there were intentions in that post. Question is would you believe me if I said, Zeus has absolutely nothing to do with those intentions, you're looking at the wrong part.

Eonwe and Lalaith feel a little less good, Eonwe's been talked enough and Lalaith, while I feel the most wary about her clinging to my Zeus post for her vote. It's too crappy of a feeling to vote for her, 'specially since she's this is her first time back in a while. Need more time on her.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Mac I'm confused by what he's trying to say it is, whether I'm a random lover leaving the most vague nigh impossible hint for my partner to try and pick up on, or that I was hinting I was Zeus?

The former, apparently.

EDIT:x'd with tp.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, I think I'm caught up for the most part (although there was a lot of skimming involved).

Re: Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think. And Nogrod has a tendency to go after one person early on regardless of their alignment (I would know, ).

Re: Boro - I don't see a reason for Zeus to be hinting to Hera, or to be hinting at all. I don't think his comment was a hint.

Re: Eonwe - I'm putting my vote on him. If he's the Cursed we're better off lynching him now then letting him be turned at night.

++Eonwe

[Blind Guardian]

I'M still going to be killed right?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Re: Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And Nogrod has a tendency to go after one person early on regardless of their alignment (I would know, ).

Indeed... though I am wondering about his apparent hypersensitivity on the subject of Hades. You know, sometimes people get obsessed with a role because it's their role? In fact it happens surprisingly often.

EDIT:X'd since BG at #250.

[the phantom]

Okay, so I read Steve's posts, and I think he's innocent. His wine comment is the only thing that I could see that would make him look bad to anyone. Some of the other things he said were quite good. He was the one who floated the idea of the two Rangers working together to protect the Seer in fact. I see no reason for him to have suggested that as a baddie. Anyway, yeah, I can't see supporting his lynch.

Problem is, the other two people with multiple votes- I don't suspect them either. At this point though it does me little good to try floating another candidate. It seems to me that it will likely come down to deciding which person I wish to save the most. Bleh.

[the phantom]

Oh, and a word of warning to everyone- don't depend on a last minute reveal to save you. In a game with plenty of Ordos and fewer Gifteds it might work, but in this village pretty much everyone is a gifted. If we all switch our votes to save a Gifted, we're likely to just lynch another Gifted, and possibly one who is more useful, not to mention the ever present possibility that the reveal is merely a WW attempting to save his hide. Doubt coupled with risk- last minute "save me" shouts are just less likely to work.

No, I'm not suggesting that you reveal earlier to save yourself, I'm just saying you need to defend yourself as the voting goes along as you probably cannot afford to wait and see.

Also, am I correct in thinking there are no retractions in this game?

edit: x-post (Yet nother Steve vote?)

[autume98]

It seems as though one of the people I see as innocent is going to get lynched toDay. Out of the three with the most votes I see all of them as innocent. It doesn't seem right to vote for any of them.

The one I feel least inclined to vote for is Eonwe. Not sure who to vote for between BG and Nerwen. However if it came to where I had to save Eonwe I think I'd have to vote for BG. Sorry BG.

[autume98]

So after making that post I think it's time for me to vote and go to bed.

++BG

Edit: x-ed with Nog and BG

[Blind Guardian]

All I can say is: it will hurt you if I was lynched.

[the phantom]

A rather pointless comment here, but if I had six votes in my pocket I might actually give Nog a try, primarily because he is stretching to make attacks I disagree with.

I might also give Boro a try since he has been so unusually absent, and I can't work with him the way I usually do, plus frankly I have no clue how to read a quiet Boro. Getting him out of the way might be a weight off at the least.

But yeah- obviously not enough votes to get either of them lynched.

EDIT: x-posted with many

Originally Posted by Nog

Also I'm pretty confused with the phantom's points... I do normally follow his train of thought quite clearly but now I just think he has the perfect opposite view from mine and I'm baffled.

Ask me a question and I'll try to answer it. What do you wonder about?

[Blind Guardian]

Nothing was posted here. Ignore me

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

All I can say is: it will hurt you if I was lynched.

Anyone who's not a wolf, who dies will probably hurt us ya know. I can say the same about myself, the question in this will be the degree of hurt. Cus right now I'd venture to guess that on a scale of 1 to 10...if I were theoretically up to be lynched, and I was, it would probably hurt the village about a 7. You, I'm pegging at a 5 so far.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by the phantom

A rather pointless comment here, but if I had six votes in my pocket I might actually give Nog a try, primarily because he is stretching to make attacks I disagree with.

I would second this. His arguments do seem quite stretched, for example his suspicion of me would mean I have to go against both my role and even the spirit of the game.

edit: x-ed since last post.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom about Eonwë

Some of the other things he said were quite good. He was the one who floated the idea of the two Rangers working together to protect the Seer in fact. I see no reason for him to have suggested that as a baddie.

Now here we disagree again - and it is nice to see you taking that up as I let that out from my final account of him to see would anyone else take it up and in what way would they do it.

Now, if he really wants to get killed, what would he do? Raise the awareness of the wolves, surely. The "wolf!" post was the first trial and the Dionysos thing was his second... but then he wanted to make sure he got the attention and went for that great idea of rangers doing double-shift... if they didn't get the hint from the earlier ones, the wolves should find him dangerous and thus kill him!

Maybe he was waiting for more immediate feedback or just tried all his options as they came to him, I don't know. And obviously I'm not 100% sure about it, but it looks like it really all talks about the same thing. All those posts could be seen as ways to attract the wolves into killing him - and that's a lot from one person on one Day just randomly!

Heh, x'd again...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now, if he really wants to get killed, what would he do? Raise the awareness of the wolves, surely. The "wolf!" post was the first trial and the Dionysos thing was his second... but then he wanted to make sure he got the attention and went for that great idea of rangers doing double-shift... if they didn't get the hint from the earlier ones, the wolves should find him dangerous and thus kill him!

Mmmn. I have said this already, but it's not in the Cursed's interest to make extremely obvious hints. Why become a wolf if it means dying almost immediately? That doesn't prove Steve isn't the Cursed, but it would be clumsier playing than I'd expect of him.

EDIT:X'd with a host.

[Boromir88]

I said Blind was about a 5 on the scale of 1 to 10. Eonwe's looking like a "neg" 4, so

++Eonwe

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

Now here we disagree again - and it is nice to see you taking that up as I let that out from my final account of him to see would anyone else take it up and in what way would they do it.

Now, if he really wants to get killed, what would he do? Raise the awareness of the wolves, surely. The "wolf!" post was the first trial and the Dionysos thing was his second... but then he wanted to make sure he got the attention and went for that great idea of rangers doing double-shift... if they didn't get the hint from the earlier ones, the wolves should find him dangerous and thus kill him!

Maybe he was waiting for more immediate feedback or just tried all his options as they came to him, I don't know. And obviously I'm not 100% sure about it, but it looks like it really all talks about the same thing. All those posts could be seen as ways to attract the wolves into killing him - and that's a lot from one person on one Day just randomly!

His "wolf!" comment was throwaway. If we find out postgame that it wasn't I promise to eat some of that horrible black liquorice you Finns and Rune forced me to try.

His Dion comment was too obvious I think, and just an attempt to be in character.

And then you say he suggested something dangerous so as to be killed? You really think WWs are going to kill someone because he suggests one helpful thing? No, no- they'll be gunning for the Seer like always.

Not to mention if he's screaming "cursed" to the WWs he's just as likely to be the Ordo hoping for the WWs to flush their kill. You realize don't you that the Ordo in this game would be quite wise to sacrifice himself early to save all of his more powerful counterparts?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

it's not in the Cursed's interest to make extremely obvious hints. Why become a wolf if it means dying almost immediately?

Like with the suspicions about yourself you're playing the one being wise afterwards... How did he know he would get that suspected about the things he ranted about early in the Day? Well, he didn't.

In many games those would have been ignored -and many of you seemed to be quite ready to ignire them to the end. So? Extremely obvious? No. Securely true? No.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now, if he really wants to get killed, what would he do? Raise the awareness of the wolves, surely. The "wolf!" post was the first trial and the Dionysos thing was his second... but then he wanted to make sure he got the attention and went for that great idea of rangers doing double-shift... if they didn't get the hint from the earlier ones, the wolves should find him dangerous and thus kill him!

Maybe he was waiting for more immediate feedback or just tried all his options as they came to him, I don't know. And obviously I'm not 100% sure about it, but it looks like it really all talks about the same thing. All those posts could be seen as ways to attract the wolves into killing him - and that's a lot from one person on one Day just randomly!

See! You can twist anything to make your point, but it doesn't make your point right.

[Nogrod]

Really, lynching BeiGei is your most cowardish option. And someone should really look closely who made it if that is what you do.

Lynching Eonwë I would not oppose to as I'm more or less convinced he's the cursed one and the wolves sure have picked him - and I don't understand that talk of him trying to be on the good side and tricking the wolves. Let us hear some arguments why he would do that and how do we seem him doing it (well, tomorrow, that is, or after his death anyway, not prior to it) as opposed to how we have seen him acting today.

Nerwen has two votes and you know what I think of her role.


Also I'm pretty confused with the phantom's points... I do normally follow his train of thought quite clearly but now I just think he has the perfect opposite view from mine and I'm baffled.

Of the other one-vote-havers Inzil, Boro and Mac I think are more innocent than not at the time.

Even if I could blame:
- Inzil for opportunism (going the way people went when he voted and being secure not to vote someone who would retaliate)
- Boro for being overtly cunning and avoiding (it's not the number of posts but the number of issues he has commented on - and the way he has done it).
- Mac for, well first not suspecting me heavily, but more like agreeing with me the most of the time!

But that's only those who have gotten votes thus far.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But the fact that they have a motive for hinting openly doesn't prove they have.

No. But the fact that they have a motive - and the urge to do that - does make you look suspiciously at anything of the sort going about...


X'd with a host again...

[Rikae]

Nerwen:

Originally Posted by Shasta

Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Thank you.

I read this as "Roger, wolf tower".

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I read this as "Roger, wolf tower".

Snerk. How'd I miss that one (if it was in fact a hint)? *headdesks*


Also, Foley, I agree with Nerwen. I didn't think you were trying to be evil or that you were trying to trick the village, but you clearly had something to hide.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I read this as "Roger, wolf tower". :p

This made my day. ^.^

As for pms:

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-25 05:57
Title : Re: O Eros...
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Why hello, Artemis!

Glirdy forgot to tell me initially that we could PM. I'm assuming it's only during the Night Phase. At least I won't be trying to lynch you Day 1 this time. ;)
Yeah, ultimately both of our main purposes are to die in the hopes we can take a wolf with us. If I remember correctly, I think I only get my kill if the wolves come after me. You get yours Day or Night don't you?
There are really two good ways to invite a wolf-kill. The first is obvious: leave Gifted hints. The second is to be someone who isn't suspected by the mob and thus wouldn't leave much of a trail. I tend to have a hard time staying out of the thick of things and wolves like to try and lynch me when I'm on the good side, but with this many players maybe you and I both can make it a few days. :rolleyes:
Maybe I could try keeping a lower profile to make myself more of an inviting target for a Night-kill. Would you want to leave some Gifted hints to get them to come after you, or would you rather try to get yourself lynched once we get some ideas who the wolves might be?

-Inzil

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-25 15:42
Title : Re: O Eros...
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I think that might be a good plan. We certainly want to be Night-killed instead of lynched, both of us. I say let's just both try to make it through Day 1 for now and then we can take stock on who the wolves might be and refine things.

- Eros

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-25 16:39
Title : Re: O Eros...
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If one of us is on the block, it wouldn't hurt for the other to argue mildly against the lynch. That way, if whoever it was did get lynched, the one who spoke against it could look like a possible Seer, and like you said, be a likely choice for their Night-kill.
Playing it by ear probably is the best option though, at least this early. ;)

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-25 20:04
Title : The Gods Must Be Crazy
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Which is a pretty funny movie, by the way. :D

Well, Lottiemis, I don't guess we can do much in the way of concrete plans til Night 2. Maybe by then we'll have some ideas to roll with on who's who. Let's just try to get through the first Day. If you're in trouble, I'll speak against your lynching, and obviously I won't vote for you. If you do get lynched, pick a wolf and hope the coin-toss goes our way!
I asked Glirdan for a firm answer on whether we could only PM at Night, cos it didn't say one way or the other in his PM to me. I haven't got a response yet, but I'm assuming it's only Night.
It's bedtime for me now. I'll be at work during the first half of the Day, but I'll try to pop in when I can.
Good luck!

-Inzil

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 05:21
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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Just now got to work and skimmed through the thread. That's a lot of bloody posts for a Day 1! Ordinarily, I like to stick around to DL to see how other people behave as it gets close, but in this game I just can't do it.
I really didn't want to vote BG, but she invites it so! :(

Nog looked fairly good early on, but he did start to give me an uneasy feeling toward the end of the Day. Like I said in the thread, I always want to lynch Mac anyway because he constantly gives me bad vibes, but he doesn't look particularly evil now. And tum? Yes. I think she looks pretty bad.
What do you think of Nienna and her vote for Eönwë? That was pretty safe, I think. And Boro?
I wonder who I should protect toNight. Can you think of anyone who might have given the wolves some fear? If not, I may stick with someone who looks like a no-trail kill, like kath, or Greenie.

- Inzil

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 10:49
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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I may make my save Greenie. I wasn't all that impressed by her reasoning for voting Mac, but it could have been, like my vote, a result of having to vote earlier than most. If you think Boro's probably innocent, I wonder if I might not should consider him too. If I was a wolf, he might well be one of my kill-choices just cos he's Boro, and dangerous.
If tum is indeed a wolf, I think it's almost certain Nog is. Their interactions, especially she toward him, were very strange. If I'm killed by wolves, he'll be my hunt unless something changes.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 11:05
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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Hmm. Maybe Nienna might be a save choice as well. I don't guess it would have been wise for her, as a wolf, to criticise my vote for BG, when Nienna herself voted Eönwë even though she admitted he was probably innocent. Killing her might occur to the wolves as a way to frame me, too.

Here is where it is proven that Zil makes a better Ranger than I do. Ups.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 11:55
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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I'll probably make it Greenie, then.
If we're both still around toMorrow, do you want to focus on getting tum lynched?

Well, you threw out suspicion on both tum and Nog didn't you? If either of them is a wolf, which seems likely, the wolves might already be considering you as a Seer target.
Had a thought, though: how did you react yesterDay to all that about Eönwë and Dionysus? Did you say anything to the effect that you believed he was the Cursed? If not, I was thinking you could give very subtle Cursed hints, perhaps? What do you think of that?

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 14:10
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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Ah, well. I haven't been looking as closely at you in-game, already knowing your role and all. :D

Sounds good. I think it's the best option at this point.
I'm still ruminating on my save. I was almost set on Greenie, then I wondered if indeed they'd go after Eönwë toNight after all? Granted, if there was no kill he'd be immediately suspected, but that would oblige the village to spend an extra Day lynching him, and there would still be four wolves.

Here starts the Great Plan That Failed. It was fun to plan, though.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 15:46
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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Good points, and I'd forgotten about Pan. Greenie it is. I've just sent it in.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 18:50
Title : Fingers Crossed...
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The wolves could be after me as a lynch toMorrow, but I don't see how the innocents could really think I look worse than tum and Nog! If I get pushed into it though, I'll have to reveal and hope they believe me.
Good luck, and happy hunting!

-InzilEros

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 19:06
Title : Re: Fingers Crossed...
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You're probably right. Just don't be too overt with your hints. There's not one, but two people who think they're the real Seer, and I'd hate for one of them to decide you're a wolf. :rolleyes:

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 19:49
Title : Re: Fingers Crossed...
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So devious and resourceful- I very much approve. :)
Well, good luck to us, and to the village. With luck we'll get tumwolf lynched at least.
But now it's past bedtime for us old timers. ;) See you on the thread (hopefully).

Good Night!

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-29 04:21
Title : Re: Pardon me while I go scream or something
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Pretty frustrating, I agree, I was kicking myself for not saving Boro. And then I couldn't be around most of the Day. I tried to lay out the best case I could on tum, but no one seemed to be interested (at least not until after I went to bed :rolleyes:). What did you think of tum's response to what I said?
I imagine Nog probably will be the target toMorrow. But you know, his last post of the Day made him look a bit better to me, for some reason.
If not Nog for your hunt, you could do tum. Do you have any other wolf candidates? I'm wondering about some of the ones who've slipped under the radar and haven't been controversial. Sally, maybe, or Kath.
I was thinking of saving KeeperMira toNight. Boro had made that odd remark to her which looked like a hint, so I wonder if the wolves might not be inclined to take her out to be on the safe side.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-29 17:46
Title : Re: Day Three Plans
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I've been wondering about Foley myself. She's an unknown quantity to me also. I've played with Kath, but I don't think I've seen her as a wolf. Lalaith can be very effective as a baddie. The only other time I played with her we were packmates. I was lynched, and she went on to win the game. Technically, anyway. She doesn't feel particularly evil yet though.

Right, then. I'll leave it with her.

Good enough. Mac is starting to worry me.
Are you going to try to lynch tum toMorrow, or Nog? I think Nog will indeed be easier.

Well, we got something right, at least.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-31 06:18
Title : Re: :eek:
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Insanity! She was so consistantly inconsistant for three Days! I've never been a Seer, but if I was, I think I'd do my best to be the "grey" man, and not attract attention from anyone, at least until I'd dreamed a wolf. I agree that Hestia probably did pick up on Boro's apparent Seer hints and decided to pick him. I see no reason xe would have chosen Tum.

His adamant statements that you were innocent made me think he might be the Seer. I don't know what to make of him now. Could he be Athena, which could give him the ability to know your role?

Well, there are two Rangers in the picture, which makes it more difficult for the wolves than usual. But if Pan and I both protect her toNight neither of us can the next Night. Pan should know this, and the wolves almost certainly do as well. Ordinarily, as a Ranger I couldn't take a chance like that and leave a revealed Seer unprotected, but in this case one of us has to. It's a gamble, to be sure, since I'm banking on either Pan protecting Tum or the wolves not daring to go after her toNight. It really puts us Rangers in a bind more so than the wolves! :rolleyes:
If not Tum, who? A submairine like Kath? Greenie, again? Kath's looking less likely as a wolf, cos it's hard for me to see a wolf being so uninvolved. Plus, in my mind, that's a cheap way for a wolf to get a victory. I'm considering tp also.
For my hunt, I might go for Nienna, or maybe Nerwen. Nienna's been on my radar for a while, and I think Nerwen might look worse now that we know Nog was innocent.
Speaking of Nog, if I read the rules, correctly, if Glirdan picks BG or Steve out of the hat, xe and Nog will return. As ordos in BG's case I would assume, thought that isn't clear. But at least there will be two more known innocents. If Boro is picked (being the False Seer), no one comes back.

Thoughts?

Thanks! It was nice to make them miss a kill. :)

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-31 14:16
Title : Re: :eek:
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All right. I've spent the past couple of hours looking back over the entire game thread. I gave the people with unknown identities pluses for things I thought which particularly spoke for their innocence, and minuses for things that made them look potentially lupine. Here's what I came up with. I'd like to know what you think.

Wilwa: - 2 (Posts 408 and 628)
Kath: Neutral
Nienna: - 2 (Posts 526 and 622). Also, in 622 she says Rikae is "helpful", "logical", and "consistant".
Nerwen: - 1 (Post 255)
Folwren: + 2
Lalaith: + 1
Greenie: - 2 (Posts 109 and 114)
Shasta: + 1
Mac: + 2
phantom: + 3
Sally: + 1, - 2 (posts 784 and 820)

I'm probably wrong about a great deal of it, but what are you gonna do? :rolleyes:

I also noticed in my readthrough that tp said in # 488 that he had "no feelings" about you, and in 575 he merely said "Lottie's entrance was not bad". I wonder if that doesn't speak against his being Athena, since he doesn't look to be so sure about you the whole time. But why else would he become so certain of you? He really doesn't seem like a wolf, though I freely admit I have no idea what a wolftom is like.
As for the vote that saved you, didn't Glirdy say that he wasn't paying attention to the time stamp and counted Nerwen's vote even though it was late?

Kath did vote the Day before, so I don't think she's in danger of a modfire just yet. And that level of inactivity would be a nice no-trial kill, I think. As for Greenie, my readthrough made me wonder about her.

We certainly shouldn't hunt Rikae. Since Tum was proven correct about Nog, Rikae should be the only lynch on the plate toMorrow.
Mac looks better to me than he did. Lalaith didn't really stand out to me, and actually got a plus. Trouble is, she makes a very innocent-acting wolf. Like I said, the previous game I played with her both of her packmates, Fea and I, were dead by Day 2. And she manged to make it all the way to the end by herself. That was Mnemo's Cottage of Lost Play game, if you want to see what she looks like as a baddie.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-31 19:25
Title : 'Tis Done
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Just sent in my picks. My save is tp and my hunt is Nienna.
Like I said, I doubt we'll have to worry about getting lynched toMorrow; it seems a pretty open and shut case against Rikae. With luck, Tum will still be with us and will have a dream to share, with at least a known innocent. I only hope it's not someone we already know, like one of us or Mira. It's possible they get after her toNight again, but there's nothing I can do about that.
I should have most of the Day toMorrow for the game. However, I'm going out of town for three days starting Monday, and my internet access will be questionable. I'll do my best to at least vote on Day 5, but I don't know how much more I'll be around. I'm coming back home Thursday, so if I'm still alive I can post Day 6. I'm going to put this on the Admin Thread as well.
If you get in a bind after Rikae's gone and you're about to get lynched, don't forget to give Mira up as a known innocent just before DL. I'd do the same if DL wasn't about 4 hours after I go to bed. :rolleyes:
I actually thought about revealing toMorrow, but I was only going to do it if Nog had returned with a known innocent. I had such hopes: Nog, plus whoever returned with him, plus Tum. Then me, you, and Mira. 6 innocents, and a major headache for the wolves. Oh, well.
Anyway, let's do what we can toMorrow to try and ferret out Rikae's mates.

Good Night!

And, for kicks:

From : Boromir88
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-31 21:52
Title : Re: Your hunt
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Thank you. For not being certain, you should be quite pleased with the outcome. :D

Also, I've disabled smilies, because I didn't want to go through that and delete them.

[Lalaith]

Even though I was a wolf, I meant it when I said I was impressed by the Eros/Artemis combo. Saving Mira on the one hand and hunting Wilwa on the other was pretty impressive...
My worst day was my last. I felt awful about handing poor Foley the poisoned chalice, and I was desperate not to leave any kind of trail to her door. I realised that
a. the only possible remaining wolves were either myself, Folwren or Mira, but that
b. Folwren´s one possible hope for surviving the following day was to persuade the others that Mira was Dionysus, and so I couldn´t attack either of them.
I did have a wild idea that given that I was pretty sure Nerwen knew my identity, I could try to attack Folwren as a double bluff, but I was worried that the clever players that were left would see through that.
In the end I decided that the better part of discretion was valour and just made that one post. I did feel mean though.

[Boromir88]

Wow, I think by pure luck I managed to be the least disastrous false seer ever. My post to Mira was to try and confirm to myself as quickly as possible whether I was the real seer or not. I figured if she really was the Mytho hopefully she'd catch on and pick me, so it wouldn't matter whether I died, we'd still get a true seer (didn't think about the real Mytho, aka Kath, would possibly pick me then ) . And if she had no clue what I was talking about, then I know I'm the fake seer, and it's all about still trying to look like the real one and dying as quickly as possible.

As far as my Zeus comments to the phantom, that is really hilarious because it was completely accidental. My real hint in the first post was a reference Hermes for those familiar with the Disney movie.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Nerwen:
I read this as "Roger, wolf tower".

Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten about that. But I actually didn't guess him that Night, because then I started thinking, oh, it couldn't be this easy, so I went for Wilwa instead.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten about that. But I actually didn't guess him that Night, because then I started thinking, oh, it couldn't be this easy, so I went for Wilwa instead.

Why though? Haha, did I leave some hints without realising?

Originally Posted by Boro

As far as my Zeus comments to the phantom, that is really hilarious because it was completely accidental.

Ahaha, that is so funny. Cause in that post you used the word 'antsy' and Phantom got all into the mythology and how Zeus made a bunch of dudes from ants. :P

Originally Posted by Boro

Thank you. For not being certain, you should be quite pleased with the outcome.

Grrr. Lottie as a hunter is probably the worse thing ever for wolves, what with her being psychic and always knowing who we are.

Even worse was that I didn't really want to kill Lottie. I wanted to kill Mira (who had been our choice the night before but had been saved by the ranger), since the chances of her being protected again were slim. But my other wolvies all wanted to kill Lottie so I went with the majority. I hope they feel bad.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Wilwa

Why though? Haha, did I leave some hints without realising?

Not exactly. You were just a little too jolly: "Oh, helloooo, boys and girls! Isn't this a splendid Day One we're having? How perfectly peachy everything is!"

I think I know my Wolfwa by now.