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Beloved Shadow
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There. I've done my Boro read-through. Now can I finally go to bed?
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20/20 hindsight says this was a hint to Hephaestus:
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The fact that the wolves went ahead and killed him doesn't look too good for Steve, however. (Although, I suppose it could also point to wolves who haven't played with Boro much before, and just took his double-bluff, if that's what it was, at face value.)
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Because Boro basically voted for me for no reason, so obviously if the wolves killed him it would point straight to me. Wouldn't that be more than a little risky? Quote:
edit: x-ed with after Sally's first.
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Whoa. I kind of like coming here with a lot to say.. I'll start with Boro. Phantom's theory is interesting. The first thing that popped into my mind upon finding out that Boro was one of the Seers was that he dreamed Phantom was Hera. Why? I figured that "allied to the almighty Zeus" or however he phrased it would mean Hera, and he was talking about phantom at the time. (And please folks, don't club me in the head for thinking too simply. Not yet, at least.) But why would a Boroseer who has found a wolf a) make such obvious references to being a Seer and still b) leave such vague but obvious hints as to who the wolf is? Now if phantom indeed is Hera, the wolves will have spotted that immediately and done off with Boro (who they pretty much have now pinned down as the real Seer). But the thing is, Boro will have known this would happen if he makes such blatant hints and happens to be in fact the real Seer. So I'm thinking - maybe he did that on purpose, to see if the wolves attacked him - because if (or rather, when) they did, it would almost prove that they caught his hint, ergo phantom is proven to be a wolf.
Now, my theory, obviously, has a couple of flaws. The first and most obvious one is that Boro could have been the false seer (who still did the same or some different scheme), and the wolves just picked on the Seer hints. The second flaw is that I have no way of knowing exactly what Boro had in mind and could be way off the wall with this entire thing. Just something to think about. (I'm not even sure if I managed to write it in a way that makes the slightest bit of sense..) I'll be back with some thoughts on yesterDay. EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen
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Interesting ideas about Boro. I missed the Mira/Keeper comment that phantom picked up on, it's ambiguous to say the least. As for my thoughts - reading over the thread yesterday, I thought I had picked up on Hunter hints from Boro.
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Re: Eonwe
Now, the Eonwe-Dionysus-thing bothered me. For the first thing, I think people (namely Nog and Lottie, but also others) were/are over-eager to pin him down as Dionysus, based on arguments that don't hold water. Like Eonwe himself pointed out, the cursed is on the village's side until they are turned, ie. they should have no reason whatsoever to hint at the wolves in the first place, let alone as openly as Eonwe did if you read his posts as hints.
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As for Eonwe being a wolf Boroseer hinted at - I'm not sure. Could be, of course, but he doesn't strike me as particularly suspicious. Of course Boro could have hinted at him and just been the false Seer, or then he was the real Seer, dreamed of Eonwe, and I'm off my rocker. Argh. I could reread Eonwe I suppose, but then again, if I have the time to reread someone I'd prefer to try someone who escapes the genreal notice and isn't talked about all that much. A rant about the voting yesterDay coming up! EDIT: x-ed with Lalaith
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Re: voting
Since no one has done this yet, here's the total voting tally from yesterDay.
Folwren --> Eonwe Greenie --> Mac Kath --> BeiGei Lalaith --> Boro Zil --> BeiGei 2 Nienna --> Eonwe 2 Sally --> BeiGei 3 Nog --> Nerwen Wilwa --> BeiGei 4 Mira --> BeiGei 5 Rikae --> the phantom Mc --> Nerwen 2 BeiGei --> Zil Shasta --> Eonwe 3 Lottie --> Eonwe 4 Tum --> BeiGei 6 Boro --> Eonwe 5 Eonwe --> BeiGei 7 Nerwen --> Nogrod My thoughts? Two bandwagons, neither of which was actually based on who people find wolvish. (The main argument against BG, from what I saw, was that she doesn't participate, against Eonwe that people think he is the cursed.) I don't like that at all. I mean, what's wrong with the good old practise of lynching people we think might be wolves? ![]() EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen and phantom
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I did read those quotes. But 1) I stated, quite clearly I think, that the theory was "The first thing that popped into my mind upon finding out that Boro was one of the Seers", and at that point I didn't remember those quotes (and even after reading them I wanted to share what my initial thought was) 2) I'm not entirely convinced that he couldn't have negated the idea because of some scheme or other, 3) having once in my life created a theory of some kind I wanted to share it ![]() EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen
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Just to finish commenting on stuff people said yesterDay after I went to sleep.
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Quickly, on the voting-
BG was too obvious a target to lynch on Day 1 to actually hold it against anyone who did it. If it weren't for the fact that I'd never played with her before I imagine I would've voted that direction too. I mean, it was Day 1 after all. You know- the day that everyone complains is random. If you have a chance to off a player that is playing in a way that you feel won't help the village, Day 1 is the perfect time for it. That isn't to say those voters are off my list of suspicion, just that the vote itself will not tip the scales in my book. Unless I am correct about Boro dreaming Eonwe as a WW, in which case I would say Tum's vote is the one that might stand out (but obviously we would not want to lynch her on those grounds before deciding whether or not Steve is guilty).
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How can you possibly say I SKIPPED it when I fully examined his first post and his mention of me right from the beginning? Did you read my post? I said quite clearly that it was time to examine who he dreamed of, and stated that I am the only person mentioned in his first post, and then proceeded to quote his first post as well as two other statements he made regarding that post. I did not skip his mention of me. Not by a long shot, and you implying that I did seems like you're just trying to stir something up. The fact is, given what he said in the post and his explanations about the post later he was definitely not giving a remotely clear idea of affiliation, and so I said so and moved on. In a later post he mentions you, saying, "Greenie looks more or less ok". That statement I actually did skip. Why aren't you accusing me of skipping that quote? Quote:
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Is it just Europeans around right now?
Greenie, like you I was unimpressed by the BG voters - to me she was newbie-ish, not wolf-ish - but but there were seven of them and they can't all be wolves. It was an easy first-day option for innocents and wolves alike, I guess. The Eonwe bandwaggon I have more sympathy with, as there was some reasoning behind it. My own rationale for voting Boro was that I thought that something was up with him, he was trying to attract attention to himself. For want of any better ideas about anyone else, I wanted to see if anyone would defend him. (His Hunteresque comment came after I went to bed) Reading through the thread, I am finding Mac, Wilwa, Loslote and Nogrod (before it got too late, that is...!) looking helpful. I am finding Keeper/Mira, Sally and autume rather strange. In other news, I think these 7am (GMT) deadlines are going to be difficult for the handful of us on this side of the Atlantic. Most of the discussion/events of the Day seem to happen after we vote and go to bed...
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Ah, Phantom is still here, sorry for implying you were European.
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Greenie- your theory about Boro pointing to me as Hera has two major flaws.
I'll start with the obvious one- I'm not Hera. Now, you may say he is the false Seer and spotted me as Hera, or that I am lying, but that's where flaw number two comes in- the flaw that is the most obvious and provable to the rest of the village- Boro himself negated the idea. Boro made a point of saying that his "allied with Zeus" comment was a mistake (he had thought of Zeus as being allied with the good guys), plus he said later not to bother looking at the "Zeus" parts of his statement, as those parts were not important to his intentions. I gave those quotes and examined them in my first post today if you'd like to read them.
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However, against the possibility of Boro's having dreamed a wolf at all is this: If you're the Seer, and you want to know whether you're the genuine article, you can find out by the death of someone you dreamed. Yes, there's a possibility you might still be the False Seer, right by chance, but that's very small at this stage. (It increases as the village shrinks, but that's all the more reason to get cracking). Therefore, if you dreamed a baddie, it makes sense for you to push hard for his-or-her lynching. Now, Boro made no real effort to get the phantom, or indeed anyone, lynched (his comments on Steve came very late in the Day). Therefore I should say that he probably didn't dream a wolf. ...Except that I so far haven't come up with any satisfying explanation for what Boro did yesterDay. So maybe I shouldn't be counting on him making sense, according to my lights. EDIT:X'd since last post; added comment.
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