WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[A Little Green]

Wow. Cheers Lottie! What I'm wondering about right now, though, is why the wolves picked her. She had dropped a rather clear Hunter hint on Day 2:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Do it. Really, go ahead. I'm not upset, I'm not tired of the game in any way, and this is not said in anger. I wouldn't mind being lynched.

Did the wolves a) miss or forget that, or b) think she was double-bluffing to avoid being Night-killed (or for some other reason), or c) have something rather more complicated in mind?

Also, concerning Poseinog's death.

Originally Posted by Glirdan on the Admin thread

Poseidon- God of the Sea – Poseidon is this games Unicorn. When Poseidon dies I will put the names of all of the dead in a hat, including the Unicorn’s name. If the name I pick out is of an innocent (or Cobbler) that person will come back to life ALONG WITH Poseidon. If a Wolf or the False Seer is chosen, no one comes back.

Unless I have misunderstood something, the fact that he didn't come back must mean that Glirdan picked either a wolf or a false seer to be brought back with him - and since we had not killed a wolf yet, it must logically follow that Boro was picked and was the false seer. Which, in turn, would make autume the real seer, which, in turn, would confirm Rikae as a wolf, which, in turn, would mean we'll have two wolves dead after toDay. (An addition: we also have two seers who both know whether they are true or false.) I kind of like all that. On the down side, though, even after Rikae we still have two wolves (Hades and Hephaestus) to find.

[A Little Green]

Now I might be way off with this, but I'm getting worse vibes from Mac again. Partly because he's being overly nice to me (makes me think he's trying to mess with my head because I suspect him - he would know that it's always harder to suspect someone who is quite convinced you are innocent). Partly because of the Hades thing that was discussed quite much on Day 2. And partly because I got the impression, when reading over yesterDay with the knowledge that Rikae is a wolf, that her sudden suspicion of him (after defending him for the first couple of Days) seemed wolf-on-wolf-ish. (I'll try to bring up actual quotes soon, I have a horribly busy day but I'll try anyway.)

Moving on to another thing that caught my eye yesterDay:

Originally Posted by Meeper (love that name!) about phantom's Day 1 vote

Points out his own failings. phantom doesn't make mistakes. Who can PM during the Day?

Erm.. what? I fear I don't quite get this. Like, are you implying that because phantom doesn't usually admit to making mistakes it must mean he was PMing with somebody who told him he made a mistake, and he then proceeded to post an admission of it? But if that's your reasoning, you basically voted for someone who was innocent by your own logic (the only ones who could PM during Day 1 are the Shirriffs). I hope I misunderstood something.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Also, concerning Poseinog's death.

Unless I have misunderstood something, the fact that he didn't come back must mean that Glirdan picked either a wolf or a false seer to be brought back with him - and since we had not killed a wolf yet, it must logically follow that Boro was picked and was the false seer.

You must be right– unless "Cobbler" means one of the shifting-alignment roles. Or is it just left over from an earlier version of the rules? But the odds are against tum having picked the Unicorn correctly by chance, anyway.

–And there goes my theory that Nog was trying to get lynched on purpose, so as to die before he could bring a wolf back (didn't read the Unicorn role-description properly).

EDIT:X'd with Greenie.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You must be right– unless "Cobbler" means one of the shifting-alignment roles. Or is it just left over from an earlier version of the rules? But the odds are against tum having picked the Unicorn correctly by chance, anyway.

–And there goes my theory that Nog was trying to get lynched on purpose, so as to die before he could bring a wolf back (didn't read the Unicorn role-description properly).

I believe the Cobbler there is just a leftover. I definitely hope so. And I agree about tum. Yay for Gifted doing their job! As for Nog - I considered that as well before I took a second look at the role definitions. I wonder - could he have wanted to die rather sooner than later for some other reason? He did seem rather suicidal at times. Like, maybe thought he could do the dying when there are bigger chances for him to bring back an innocent and himself (ie. before we have lynched wolves that would make it more probable for no one to come back)? Don't know if that makes sense though.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I wonder - could he have wanted to die rather sooner than later for some other reason? He did seem rather suicidal at times. Like, maybe thought he could do the dying when there are bigger chances for him to bring back an innocent and himself (ie. before we have lynched wolves that would make it more probable for no one to come back)? Don't know if that makes sense though.

I suppose he might have been hoping to bring Boro back– though I'd have wanted some indication first that Boro was in fact the true Seer, if it had been me.

Anyway, somebody had better go through Wilwa's posts.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I suppose he might have been hoping to bring Boro back– though I'd have wanted some indication first that Boro was in fact the true Seer, if it had been me.

Might be - though it would be rather odd to want to get lynched solely because of that (given that the one who comes/doesn't come back is picked randomly). Though actually it could make sense - the earlier he gets himself killed, the bigger the chance of getting Boro back with him (or proven to be false). Or maybe he was just generally aiming at being killed at some point, because obviously the Unicorn is just a random ordo until they die.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Anyway, somebody had better go through Wilwa's posts.

I definitely agree! I don't think I have the time to do that, I'll have to vote and be off in less than two hours and have a million other things to do meanwhile..

[A Little Green]

So, a list of sorts. Facts first. Looks like autume is a true seer and Rikae is a wolf. That leaves two wolves in the following eleven:

Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Shasta
Mac
Phantom
Sally

I'm disinclined to think are wolves:
Nerwen - Usually I can never read her, but this time I'm fairly convinced she's not a wolf.
Folwren - Her posts seem very genuine. Fairly convinced she's not a wolf.
Phantom - Either innocent or a mastermind. I'm rather more inclined to think the former.

I'm confused about (okay, I'm confused about everyone, but these most of all):
Kath - Where is she, anyway? Can't form an opinion on this little evidence, but if I had to guess I'd say innocent.
Mira - Posts little, and when she does it's something that makes my head ache. I'd really like an answer from her to the question I asked earlier toDay. Other than that - she just confuses me, plain and simple. I would call her a cobbler if there was one.
Zil - Still can't get a read on that guy. Worrying.
Nienna - No idea.
Lalaith - She feels innocent, she is consistent, she is sharp and nice, and yet I can't shake off the thought that she is a wolf mastermind messing with my head.
Shasta - No idea. I've been wanting to look through his posts for a while now, I have a feeling there might be something interesting there.. The bad news? I still don't have time for that.
Sally - I get both innocent and wolf vibes from her. (Read: I have no idea.)

My best bet for a wolf (unfortunately only one):
Mac - Like I said in my previous post. I'll try to look for those Rikae quotes.

[A Little Green]

Are you guys kidding me? This is pretty much the most quiet early Day ever. My fellow Europeans, where are you? Well, at least I had Nerwen.

Anyway, I have to go now. I won't be back toDay, and like I said in the admin thread I'll miss all of toMorrow. While I'm away, will you catch us some more wolves? Please? I wouldn't mind if you tried Mac toMorrow. As for toDay, I think it's pretty obvious:

++ Rikae


See you the Day after toMorrow, provided that a) I'm still alive, and b) that the game is still on! With the best possible luck, the village could have won by then. (It would take a successful lynch toMorrow and Zeus choosing to revenge-kill and picking a wolf, but it's possible.)