A review: JRRT's Osanwe-Kenta [ missing bit of The Silm.]

[Rumil]

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In celebration I have bumped this thread - so there!

[Skolaidhe]

This is interesting material. I wonder that no one has mentioned Saruman's ability to enslave the minds of others, through speech, over even great distances. It is by far the most obvious and explicit example of long-term long-distance communication sans palantiri. What makes this doubly interesting is that he does seem to communicate to these poor thralls through words, through language, through the power of his voice.

I will have to read those chapters over, again, with this in mind.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Skolaidhe

This is interesting material. I wonder that no one has mentioned Saruman's ability to enslave the minds of others, through speech, over even great distances. It is by far the most obvious and explicit example of long-term long-distance communication sans palantiri. What makes this doubly interesting is that he does seem to communicate to these poor thralls through words, through language, through the power of his voice.

I will have to read those chapters over, again, with this in mind.

Welcome to the Downs!

I don't think Saruman's powers of persuasion with his voice were an example of Osanwe. The latter was a mental means of thought transference, whereas one apparently needed to be in Saruman's presence and listening to his speech to be affected. What instance was there of that power being exerted over long distances?
That appears to be merely part of Saruman's native talents as a Maia, as were Gandalf's gifts with fire and lights.

[Raynor]

I wonder that no one has mentioned Saruman's ability to enslave the minds of others, through speech, over even great distances.

I disagree

Originally Posted by "Letter #210

Saruman's voice was not hypnotic but persuasive. Those who listened to him were not in danger of falling into a trance, but of agreeing with his arguments, while fully awake. It was always open to one to reject, by free will and reason, both his voice while speaking and its after-impressions. Saruman corrupted the reasoning powers.

Relevant
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/