Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Suit yourself Legate, but if anybody feels differently they should feel free to vote for me as a Representative.

I am sorry that I have not been able to make any huge contribution today, but things are pretty stressed. I should have more time to read posts in 5 hours time.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

But why Wilwa? What were the arguments against her? I should go back and check I suppose.

For me, her Day 1 vote and her air of jumpiness the next Day were the main points against her.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

This logic doesn't make sense to me. I know I'm not an elf but I also know you can't know it. The thing is, it doesn't make sense even if I was an elf. It would take a ridiculously paranoid pack of elves to read #407 as a Seer hint, especially as Nog didn't behave towards me in a manner that would suggest him "knowing" I was an elf.

As Nerwen said, it wouldn't have been the first time baddies acted so. The comment by Nog in #407 wouldn't seem nearly as overt as all he said about 'leaving Sally to the Seer' and all that, though.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I am not going to complain about the lynched, since I was not around I don't think I have too much of a right. I can definitely see why people voted for either Wilwa or Sally even though they would not have been my first choices.

Since you say that, who would have been your first choices?

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Suit yourself Legate, but if anybody feels differently they should feel free to vote for me as a Representative.

Soliciting votes, are you? What would your platform be?

[Nerwen]

As Nerwen said, it wouldn't have been the first time baddies acted so. The comment by Nog in #407 wouldn't seem nearly as overt as all he said about 'leaving Sally to the Seer' and all that, though.

However, the comments about phantom and Sally are the ones that contain the actual "Seer-hints"– and Nog's first comment on Day Two suggests he'd dreamed phantom in the Night.

Originally Posted by Nog

Also, I think the phantom is innocent - and is no seer. If he wasn't dreamt of yet by the seer then now he is. So let's leave him be

I'd like second, third and fourth opinions on that point, though. Obviously it makes a big difference whether the wolves thought Nog had dreamed phantom already, or was merely going to do so.

(That– before I get ahead of myself– is if they took Nog's comments as Seer-hints in the first place, which of course we don't know.)

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Greenie about Runneli-Ruuuuuuune

Talking about ironic.. The post otherwise looked very very innocent to me, all except for the bit where you hope it doesn't look suspicious.

Exactly my thoughts.

Originally Posted by Nerwen whose name is bad for making up nicknames

(That– before I get ahead of myself– is if they took Nog's comments as Seer-hints in the first place, which of course we don't know.)

I think we can quite safely assume they did - OR then they thought we'd think that and were trying to achieve something in that light. The only thing that comes to my mind, though, is phantom seeming innocent.

I don't like it that it has grown so quiet here. Granted, it's not very late yet but there are still very few posts taking into account that this half of the Day is more than halfaway through...

[Folwren]

I have a couple minutes to post...

I expected to be raked over the coals by all of you, quite honestly. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that you all don't appear to blame me too much for what happened. Thanks.

I was going to tell why I voted the way I did, but I won't unless you all want to hear, because it would take up some of my very little time, and I don't want to do that.

Question: Do we think that the elves thought Nogrod was the seer based only on what Fea put into the narration?

I was not around on Day2, so I don't know what he said that could have been misconstrued as seer hints. I have my suspcions about somebody else being a seer, but I won't say whom I think it is.

Also...when I have time, I would like to look into Shasta. Sally said she distrusted him, but that may have just been because he voted for her. But if there's another reason she didn't trust him, then I'd like to find out. The problem is, I may not have very much time, so if anyone else thinks it worth while to look at him...please do.

And my brief moments are fulfilled, my few words spoken.

-- Folworc

[Folwren]

What about Legate? He's another person I'll look into. It's odd, but I think I distrust both the people who voted me into Rep position yesterday. I obviously distrusted Wilwa, obvious because I killed her, and I know I distrust Legate. I think it's because I feel they shouldn't have voted for me that day because I had declared I was gone, and they did. I think that's odd and not very explanable, unless Legate really didn't see I was gone.

[the phantom]

Okay, I am here now, but I haven't read at all. I'm going to go back and skim through yesterday while I'm eating my lunch, and then post thoughts/responses.

[Celuien]

I'm halfway here and skimming through. All I can say about yesterDay so far is huh?!?

I don't know if I'm going to be able to improve my participation much, unfortuately. Getting here is turning out to be harder than expected.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Suit yourself Legate, but if anybody feels differently they should feel free to vote for me as a Representative.

I am actually still rethinking that and might vote you after all. Depends also on what others say and if there is another one among them whom I might consider. As soon as you come, would you mind to give some brief outline as to what you think about people? Same goes for Folwren, now that she is around.

Originally Posted by Folwren

What about Legate? He's another person I'll look into. It's odd, but I think I distrust both the people who voted me into Rep position yesterday. I obviously distrusted Wilwa, obvious because I killed her, and I know I distrust Legate. I think it's because I feel they shouldn't have voted for me that day because I had declared I was gone, and they did. I think that's odd and not very explanable, unless Legate really didn't see I was gone.

I said it earlier, I didn't know that you are not going to be around. Especially not since you already had one vote; it wouldn't have crossed my mind that somebody who is not going to be around has been even voted for. I am one of the people who usually check the admin thread in case there's something important, but your announcement had been made already a long time ago and was "obsolete" by the time I voted for you, so I didn't check it anew and was not reminded of it.

[A Little Green]

To sum up my thoughts on people:

Leaning innocent:
Foley - Continues to look innocent. While her yesterDay's vote would have been ingenious for an elf, her conduct around that time speaks strongly against there being any kind of controlled plotting and scheming and purposefulness behind her actions.
Legate - Leaning more innocent than not. He is being wishy-washy in the sense an elf would not, if you get what I mean. An elf would be more - composed? Then again, I have a bad feeling that he is totally fooling me.
Lommy - I quite simply can't see her as an elf. I'm almost tempted to say that if she is one she deserves to win.
Phantom - See Lommy (except change the she into he of course).
Shasta - I'm starting to get suspicious of him because of not suspecting him. He has fooled me so brilliantly for so many times that I don't trust him anymore, and yet in this game I can't bring myself to find him elvish. Bleh. He's still getting into this category, as I find myself constantly thinking of him as an innocent Shasta.

Need more data:
Celuien - I need to see more of her before being able to form an opinion one way or another.
Kath - Her long post yesterDay looked really genuine. It's of course easy to look genuine if you post as little as she does.. So again, I need to see more of her.
Mira - Another I would absolutely need to see more of. Somehow I'm inclined to think an elf wouldn't be so inactive, though.

Undecided about:
Nerwen - I couldn't point it out, but there is something in her that doesn't quite sit right with me. Could be just a vague random gut-feeling though. I need to check her if I have time.
Rune - Absolutely no read, he's another I'd need to check. He has indeed been way more agreeable in this game than what I remember him being in previous ones, but then again, it's been a while and people's styles do change. Also, I'm thinking that a part of why he is so mild-tempered and moderate in this game is that he hasn't really needed to aggressively defend himself. Don't know what to make of his continuous desire to become rep, though - just average power-hungry Runne or an elf-Runne?
Steve - I'm really running out of time here, as I'd love to check him too! His behaviour yesterDay seemed somehow almost too neat. A potential elf.
Zil - Way too smooth to my liking. He's certainly among the more active players of this lot, and yet I can't get a read on him. (I have the same problem with him in every single game we play together, though.)

I'm slightly worried about the fact that I have no stronger suspicions - after all it's Day 3 in a game with 48 hour Days.. Also, I have a bad feeling that I'm being fully and completely fooled and our remaining elves are in fact Foley, phantom and Kath or something like that.


EDIT: x-ed with phantom, Cel and Legate. Nice to see people around!

[A Little Green]

Right. As to who I'd like to see as reps toDay. I could go for Lommy, phantom or Shasta because they are the ones I think look most innocent. Or I could go for Kath, Mira, Runne or Zil, because unless I've messed something up none of them have been reps yet and all of them might do with having to actually vote for a lynch. This requires some thought.. And while I'm thinking, I'd like as many people as possible to post their opinions on who are elves and who are not. Would help a lot.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Folwren

I was going to tell why I voted the way I did, but I won't unless you all want to hear, because it would take up some of my very little time, and I don't want to do that.

I'd like to hear it, when you have time.

Originally Posted by Folwren

Question: Do we think that the elves thought Nogrod was the seer based only on what Fea put into the narration?

Nog did say some things that could have given that impression. Nerwen did a decent analysis of it here.

Originally Posted by Folwren

Also...when I have time, I would like to look into Shasta. Sally said she distrusted him, but that may have just been because he voted for her. But if there's another reason she didn't trust him, then I'd like to find out. The problem is, I may not have very much time, so if anyone else thinks it worth while to look at him...please do.

At the moment, I don't remember what else there might have been. My time is pretty much at a premium also, but I'll try to look at it, especially as DL for picking reps is fast approaching.

Originally Posted by Folwren

What about Legate? He's another person I'll look into. It's odd, but I think I distrust both the people who voted me into Rep position yesterday. I obviously distrusted Wilwa, obvious because I killed her, and I know I distrust Legate. I think it's because I feel they shouldn't have voted for me that day because I had declared I was gone, and they did. I think that's odd and not very explanable, unless Legate really didn't see I was gone.

Since we know Wilwa did the same thing and she was innocent, I can't hold that alone against him too much. It looked rather convenient at the time, though.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Since you say that, who would have been your first choices?



Soliciting votes, are you? What would your platform be?

Well I wasn't around so I would have to base my pics on old data, but I would probably have gone for somebody like Mira. Not inspired choice, at all. more a case of a choosing a person that puzzles me.

I don't think the reasoning for the lynches, I just never got that "elf vibe" from Wilwa and I thought it unlikely that both Sally and Lottie were wolves.

Anyways I am here, I am very tired, but I should stay around until an hour or two before voting deadline. Hopefully I will be productive.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Here's my current thoughts about people (very rough, though):

Celuien - like I said, I hope to read more from her now that she is here. I don't want to forget her just because she hasn't been posting for a while.
Foley - like I said, inclined to think innocent, and would like to hear her opinions on people (which is what I hoped for also yesterDay already).
Greenie - I had generally good feeling about her, although now that sally's been proven innocent, one could start wondering about her constant case against her. I think it might do me good to re-read her posts sometime.
Kath - I would like to read more from her too. I have very little idea about her.
Lommy - spoke about her before, I still think her probably innocent
Mira - hmmm??? Need to read more from her than just short posts and lists of others' quotes.
Nerwen - I spoke about her also before, I am sort of being made uncertain, aside from Rune, she might be another person to consider my vote for
Phantom - after sally's death, lots of "conspiracy theories" get clearer shape or can be straightaway dismissed. However, I still think (or maybe: especially now I think) that him being a fellow of Lottie is not proven entirely impossible. But he remains the same phantom for me: considering all he's been doing, in some ways curious but not really wolf-y, and with some things seeming more innocent. I want to see him post, though (!!! would have never believed that I'm going to say that), might be that just I started to miss my daily dose of phantomisms...
Rune - questions, questions, questions. See above and all around, actually right now I am not thinking of anything but him (hope you're happy, Rune )
Shasta - still not any particular opinion about him, at least he does not stand out in any way, but neither as SoE nor as innocent.
Steve - from the initial trust I am starting to think of him more like of a person who might be slipping under the radars, which begins to worry me slightly. I don't have any reasons to suspect him, but he sort of stays out of the harm's way.
Zil - he is sort of inquisitive, a bit Boro-like, which now makes me think him more innocentish.

I don't want to stay up too late toDay, so I will probably vote rather early. I hope to see as many posts as I can up to then.