Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Greenie has been lynched. She was Arathorn.

Night Four now begins. Elrohir and Other Guy, do your thing. Seer, lay it on me.

Dead:
Feanorc and Niennorc - beheaded in the dark
Lottielf (Elladan) - axed in the head
Izanordorc (ordo) - head cut off in her sleep
Borc (ordo) - nommed some poison by accident
Glirdan (ordo) - accidental broken heart
Wilwa (ordo) and Sally (ordo) - crushed to death by khup-khaks.
Nog (ordo) - ninjaed in his sleep
Celuien (ordo) - struck by the curse
Greenie (Arathorn) - it was all fun and games, then she lost an eye

Alive:
Foley
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Mira
Nerwen
Phantom
Rune
Shasta
Steve
Zil

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Mira has been killed. She had some awesome dreams.

Day Four now begins. Elrohir and Other Guy, cease.

Dead:
Feanorc and Niennorc - beheaded in the dark
Lottielf (Elladan) - axed in the head
Izanordorc (ordo) - head cut off in her sleep
Borc (ordo) - nommed some poison by accident
Glirdan (ordo) - accidental broken heart
Wilwa (ordo) and Sally (ordo) - crushed to death by khup-khaks.
Nog (ordo) - ninjaed in his sleep
Celuien (ordo) - struck by the curse
Greenie (Arathorn) - it was all fun and games, then she lost an eye
Stick (seer) - killed while fantasizing about That Tony Guy

Alive:
Foley
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Nerwen
Phantom
Rune
Shasta
Steve
Zil

[the phantom]

Well well- looks like the experiment worked, but not the right way. Bleh. At least we can be certain that my list of innocents is at least partly wrong now. I feared at least one was wrong, but I had to try it. There were only two choices of people I could back and Mira given her lack of participation I judged to be the lesser of the two. Obviously wrong on that, blast it. Otherwise it would've worked perfectly.

Based upon her final post, Nerwen, Shasta, and me look quite good now. Anyone disagree?

So that means we must lynch a couple of these folks-
Foley
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Rune
Steve
Inzil

I need to go back and do a reread of many things. I'll be around later.

[Folwren]

Well, I really didn't see that one coming. That is ... sad...

I don't have time to go back and look at Mira's posts, but I'll see. I agree that Nerwen is probably good, but I've thought that all along.

Back to class I go.

-- Foley

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't even know what to think about that. Ugggh. I love me some Mira, but couldn't our Seer have been someone who, I don't know, participated? Blech.

Back in a bit with some thoughts (I'm at rehearsal right now).

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Having read all (eleven) of Stick's posts, I've come to the following conclusions -

- Given Stick's #627, I'm inclined to think that her dreams were Phantom, Nerwen, and myself (she thinks all three of us are innocent and doesn't really give hardcore opinions on anyone else).

- Given her rep vote for Phantom early on, I'm inclined to think Phantom was her Night 1 dream.

- Based on this quote:

Originally Posted by Mira

Now I really want to know Wilwa, Shasta, and phantom's roles are just to see if I'm going to get proven wrong.

- and based on the fact that we lynched Wilwa right after this, I'm inclined to think she dreamt of me the night after the double lynch.

- Based on those, I think whatever night isn't accounted for (night 2?) is the night she dreamt of Nerwen.

That's all I could gather from her posts. The rest was talking about Sally and apologizing for not being active/promises to do better.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well well- looks like the experiment worked, but not the right way. Bleh. At least we can be certain that my list of innocents is at least partly wrong now. I feared at least one was wrong, but I had to try it. There were only two choices of people I could back and Mira given her lack of participation I judged to be the lesser of the two. Obviously wrong on that, blast it. Otherwise it would've worked perfectly.

Based upon her final post, Nerwen, Shasta, and me look quite good now. Anyone disagree?

So what tipped them off to Mira? She did so little else that I think it must have been her post at #627– specifically, her list of three innocents. Thing is, I don't think you (phantom) were the only other per person who made a list of three, so that might tell us something. (Need to check.)

Originally Posted by the phantom

So that means we must lynch a couple of these folks-
Foley
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Rune
Steve
Inzil

I need to go back and do a reread of many things. I'll be around later.

If Zil, Rune or Lommy is an Elf, he or she quite gratuitously bussed a comrade. (Can't rule that out, though.) Add in Foley, who played a large role in getting A Little Green Elf lynched.

The other thing is– why did Greenie go so heavily after me? It wasn't as if there was general support for lynching me– and I had voting-power, whereas there were seven disenfranchised folk who would have made easier victims.

Thoughts–

1. Was it the case that the only lynchable-looking people among the er... general public were her fellows?

2. Was she counting on the support of a fellow-rep?

[Inziladun]

Given Mira's relatively submarine performance, I find it incredible she was the Seer. It's even more confounding that the Elves figured that out.
I had a good feeling about Foley already, and based on her late words that we shouldn't lynch Nerwen for nebulous reasons, I was thinking Foley could be the Seer.

I know Shasta sort of did this already, but I'm doing it as well.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

So... I read like a page and a half. Now have to go to a meeting, class, and work. Am grumpy about this fact. Would like to know what's in it for me if vote phantom for rep. Read more at work and hopefully make legitimate contribution.

The post that raised some eyebrows, especially in light of Lottie and Sally's votes for tp.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Deal. And I'm holding you to that.

[highlight++phantom for rep[/highlight

Votes tp for rep. Luckily, it was passed off as a joke or a lack of time by pretty much everyone.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Why actually I wasn't. Which I made perfectly clear in my first post of the day.

Admits she didn't read at all before voting.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

*is a super epic fail at this game and would request modfire if Fea wouldn't literally eat her soul and probably forbid her to ever loiter at her house again ever*

On that note, I am in desperate need of a nap and will be legitimately around after that (given I don't die in my sleep or something). If there's anything in particular people would like me to respond to, condensed versions would be much appreciated.

No comment.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Immediate thoughts since they were requested; more detailed to come.

phantom doesn't feel evil - er, good? - to me. His attention getting ploys are slightly more ridiculous than when he actually has something to lose. Case and point - Seer reveal that in my opinion accomplished nothing.

Nog isn't making my head hurt, which a new and interesting experience. That does make me a tad suspicious with no backup for that though.

Mira is a pretty ridiculous fail at this game. This is what happens when people are forced to spend their entire weekend doing homework.

Fairly clear hint she could have dreamed of tp. All right, he's probably an Orc. That still doesn't mean he's right about everything.

The words about Nog aren't as clear. Seems ambiguous enough to have been just her opinion. That was Day 2, though. Why didn't she comment on her Night 2 dream if it wasn't Nog?

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Aaaand fail Mira for not actually saying what that massive post boils down to.

Pretty much I don't find sally all that suspicious. She's getting upset when people try to suspect her and I'm still not quite sure where her suspicion of Wilwa is coming from (although in all fairness, I very well might have missed it in the rush to get this done before DL), but nothing about that screams SoE to me.

Now I really want to know Wilwa, Shasta, and phantom's roles are just to see if I'm going to get proven wrong.

After an analysis of Sally, in which she concluded Sally was innocent. That could have been a covert way of saying she'd dreamed Sally. It seems logical that she would have, after Day 1.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

x...The people I was going to make a case against need to stop being killed. They definitely need to stop being ordos too, because that's just leading me to question everything I've been thinking all game. Looks like Ima go reevaluate. Elfpoodoo.

This was after Nog was killed. It would indicate she didn't dream of him, obviously. I wonder if the Night 2 dream might not have been Sally, in fact.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

People I think are innocent:
Phantom
Nerwen
Shasta
Mira

People I suspect so are thus probably innocent:
Foley

People I tend to trust so are thus probably furry:
Kath
Rune
Steve

People I don't particularly have feelings on:
Greenie
Legate
Lommy
Zil

I'll elaborate more on that later, but the meeting I woke up for was cancelled so I'll be going back to bed now and hopefully not waking up again until my afternoon meeting.

There she has tp, Nerwen, and Shasta as her "Innocents." No sort of analysis on any of them. It's conceivable those were her dreams, and finding Sally innocent Day 2 was the result of her own reading. There's room for doubt, though, on the latter two.

Anndd....that appears to be it.

Based on that, I think we can at least conclude phantom's innocence.
*mutters*

x/d with Nerwen

[Eönwë]

NOOOO!

Though, to be honest, it was only a matter of time. She was the one I thought most likely out of the two people I thought could be the seer (The other being Legate), which I came up with on the basis of possible subtle hints by usage of words from the "Seerish" lexical group, such as "see", "look" and "dream".

For example, the

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Ima go take a look at sally's posts for the past couple days.

jumped out to me, especially the "take a look at sally" part, which I read as a hint that she wanted to dream Sally that Night, especially as she mentioned her all Day.

This, for example, with that knowledge, looks like a distressed Seer that is worried about their dreams being ineffective for their side:

Originally Posted by Mirandir

x...The people I was going to make a case against need to stop being killed. They definitely need to stop being ordos too, because that's just leading me to question everything I've been thinking all game. Looks like Ima go reevaluate. Elfpoodoo.

And I agree that she probably didn't have Nog as her choice, because in

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Nog isn't making my head hurt, which a new and interesting experience. That does make me a tad suspicious with no backup for that though.

The "a tad suspicious with no backup" suggests that she doesn't have any evidence.

For Legate, I was just thinking small things like "Mesa see" and "But we shall see" in his first post, as well as his vague tone which would not offend anyone too much suggested a possible Seerdom.

Anyway, my point was, if I can see it (and I'm not really known for my receptivity to nuances), then I'm pretty sure it wasn't that hidden. That said, it's always sad to see the seer go before revealing (and revealing the last wolves).

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And seems like my theory about tp being a village-friendly UO in contact with the seer was proved wrong. What a pity - I really thought I knew what was up with his scheming...

How does him being innocent mean that he's not the UO? He could have been the UO and just decided to stick with the village (And, according to the rules, Mira would have been updated with regards to which side he chose).

And I agree with the general idea that Phantom, Nerwen and Shasta are most likely to be innocent based on Mira's posts, though it does seem convenient that her three most likely "dreams" are all still alive.




Well, this post was from a few hours ago, and I had to go before I could finish off a few sentences, so I'm x-ing with everything after Rune's vote for Nerwen and am going to read what I've missed.
edit: Well, not too many actually, by the looks of it.

[Eönwë]

Well, I might as well vote for my rep now, and post more afterwards, since we're all agreed- which, I might add, makes it far easier for the elves to hide toDay (at least in Part 1 of the Day).

Anyway, though he's annoyed me a lot this game, I don't think I've ever actually thought him evil, so I'm nominating:

++the phantom

for rep.

[Eönwë]

And just to explain, out of the three, I find Shasta the most suspicious, which is why I'm not voting for him. Though I admit that he always looks the same to me, and sometimes it makes me think he's innocent, and sometimes guilty. But this time he definitely seems less innocent than the other two.

[Folwren]

It seems that Greenie was really looking for ways to bump Sally off. But by itself, that's understandable.

Eh...yeah...that was me. I didn't mean anything by it. Glad it amused you.

I am at work and I'll have my eye on this, but I won't have time to investigate anybody.

-- Fol

[Nerwen]

I just hope the Cupcake's reading this.

Anyway, I think it might be an idea if we followed the phantom's suggestion (can I really be saying this?) and elected me, tp and Shasta as reps.

EDIT:X'd with Rune.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I just hope the Cupcake's reading this.

Anyway, I think it might be an idea if we followed the phantom's suggestion (can I really be saying this?) and elected me, tp and Shasta as reps.

I am fine with this.

[Inziladun]

I know I won't be around at DL, and probably not for a few hours before that. I intend to get back here later, but I'll go ahead and do this now.

++phantom for rep

Seems the most likely to have been dreamed by Mira.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Anyway, I think it might be an idea if we followed the phantom's suggestion (can I really be saying this?) and elected me, tp and Shasta as reps.

I think the idea is good, and anyway, I can't see any more "foolproof" option now. Speaking of this, I am not sure how much I will be online tomorrow anyway, so even if somebody had other ideas, I do not suggest voting me for Rep. But this should solve the problem nicely.

How many of us are there? Do we want the three to have equal amount of votes? I think that'd be the best. Of tp, Shasta and Nerwen, I would prefer to give my vote to Nerwen, as I like her the most - I don't know so much about Shasta other than he was on Mira's list, and giving a vote to tp... well... (oh yes, of course it's such a lifetime event that I would prefer to do it with fanfares and all that stuff...) But if we all decide to give our votes to those three, it does not matter, effectively, who votes for whom. Related to this, though, we should then still at least express our opinions as to whom we would like to lynch, or whom we trust etc., so that we don't just sit idly around, and most of all, so that we have some leading (because if the Day just consisted of everybody mechanically voting one of the three, there won't be much to analyse).

I probably will spend the evening with at least a few analyses, especially if I am not going to be around much toMorrow. Shall be around...

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm...

I think today I'm going to got through everybody's ties with Lottie and Greenie, and also check Mira's posts myself. I'm inclined to think right now that she'd have been unforgivably stupid if she had let undreamt people to her "innocent" category in her last post so seems like we can take phantom, Nerwen and Shasta's innocence for granted. (But I still find Shasta's innocence difficult to believe especially after Greenie was revealed a wolf! That was good job guy btw. )

Originally Posted by Nerwen

If Zil, Rune or Lommy is an Elf, he or she quite gratuitously bussed a comrade. (Can't rule that out, though.) Add in Foley, who played a large role in getting A Little Green Elf lynched.

So if we go by this simple logic it leaves only Eönwë, Kath and Legate as two wolves and one innocent? I'd love it if it was that easy...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Anyway, I think it might be an idea if we followed the phantom's suggestion (can I really be saying this?) and elected me, tp and Shasta as reps.

Sounds plausible. And I wouldn't want to be a rep anyway after all because I might miss all the second half of this Day (this is something I forgot yesterDay).

And seems like my theory about tp being a village-friendly UO in contact with the seer was proved wrong. What a pity - I really thought I knew what was up with his scheming... I also have to admit speculating he was the real seer (now that would've been just really cool!).

Off to have dinner, then off to analyse.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, decided not to look at Mira's posts myself as Zil quoted them all anyway and I think we've reached a conclusion on her dreams in any case. So off to other work...

Omitting our three known innocents...


~*~


LOTTIE


Legate

Legate about Lottie
Day1: #45 indirectly says Lottie and Sally's votes might've been out of lack of time, lack of imagination on d1 or SoE bandwagon hiding reasons.
#60 worries about Rune's buddying up with people and throws Lottie and Sally to the same category.
#68 agrees with Boro's criticism of Lottie and Sally.
#100 wouldn't vote her for a rep because of the tp-connection and (relative) absence.
#270 mentions her among several others as someone whose lynching he'd consider.

Lottie about Legate
- nothing -


Lommy

Lommy about Lottie
Day1: #46 does not "heart" Lottie and criticises her "stupid" rep vote.
#52 apologises to Sally and Lottie for possible offense.
#113 is annoyed by her and other tp-voters but doesn't have any "actual clear reasonable suspicions" against them.
#237 Lottie is in her worrisome half of the village.
#242 wonders about Lottie's change of mind considering tp and says that if he turns out to be a wolf, we should look at the people who rep-voted him.
#247 brings up Lottie's wolfy cheerfulness and voting first and coming up with reasons afterwards and wonders if she should change her mind about her.
#254 would like to vote Lottie (and possibly give 1/3 votes to Cel).
#264 wonders whether to give Lottie two or three votes.
#266 votes her with three votes. The first lynch vote to be given to anyone. Comments: "a bit less of a shot in the dark than most other options".

Lottie about Lommy
Day1: #306 defends herself against Lommy's points.


Zil

Zil about Lottie
Day1: #47 agrees with Lommy's criticism of Lottie and Sally's votes
#268 replies to Lommy's question saying he'd like to see one of phantom, Sally or Lottie dead, dislikes phantom's supporting the girls' votes for him.

Lottie about Zil
Day1: #175 corrects Folwren's misinformation on him
#187 explains her nicknames for him and Izzy


Folwren

Lottie about Folwren
Day1: #175 corrects her misinformation about Zil.
#189 defends tp against her point criticising the two of them and Sally.
#196 continues argueing with her to defend tp.

Folwren about Lottie
Day1: #188 says her and Sally's were not logical or worthwhile and wonders why tp doesn't see this.
#193 replies Lottie's defense in a slightly lecturing tone.
#239 says the "Sally-and-Lottie-baseless-votes-for-phantom issue" has been discussed enough. True, but it's funny how everything looks so suspicious taken out of context like this...


Eönwë

Eönwë about Lottie
Day1: #101 argues against her reasons for voting for tp as a rep.
#120 she is among the "other people" he has no idea bout yet.
#260 argues against her points again.
#267 would be annoyed if she, Sally and tp are all wolves but thinks it's likely there are Elves in the triangle.

Lottie about Eönwë
#306 counter-criticism against him.


Kath and Rune didn't have any interaction with Lottie. Which is quite weird given that she was the hot potato of the Day...


~*~


GREENIE


Lommy

Lommy about Greenie
Day1: #113 argues against her points, loves her, likes her and agrees with her but wonders if her vote was even too good, considers her for rep vote.
#118 votes Greenie for rep because they are "on the same wavelength". Haha, that sounds bad in the light of the current knowledge, doesn't it?
#209 thanks Shasta for taking up her and Greenie's crusade against tp.
#217 explains Greenie's internet-problems to the Cave.
#237 Greenie is in her not so worrisome half of the village.
#266 lets her use the computer.
Day2 #419 claims she can read her (and Legate and Rune) well and believes them all innocent. Wouldn't it be funny if Legate and Rune turned out to be wolves too?
#452 replies to her questioning her Wilwa comments.
#459 repeats claim of being able to read her and thinks her very innocent. Greenie must've been so gleeful reading my posts...
Day3 #557 starting to reconsider her previous opinion of Greenie and Legate but still more thinking them innocent.
#566 agrees with her about Rune's post being ironic.
#590 creeps herself out by half-seriously speculating a phantom-Greenie-Kath pack.
#632 answers Nerwen's question about her opinion on Legate and Greenie by: "And no idea about Greenie and Legate. Currently thinking Legate is probably innocent and very unsure about Greenie. "
#659 has started to suspect her quite randomly but has a bad feeling her suspicion is wrong, lists her under "difficult" with more than half of the remaining cavers. Speculates about a Shasta+Nerwen+Greenie pack but thinks Greenie+Nerwen unlikely.
#663 discusses the lynch options and prefers Shasta. "Zil/Nerwen/Greenie I'm torn about but I would possibly prefer Greenie... not sure at all."

Greenie about Lommy
Day1: #69 agrees with Lommy's points.
#76 says she seems genuine but isn't sure if she wants to vote her for a rep.
#79 explains Lommy's point to phantom.
#274 inclined to think her innocentish.
Day2: #357 delivers her message to the Cave.
#365 thinks her very innocent and partly because of her Lottie-vote.
#406 hands over the computer to her.
#448 asks her how can anyone (Wilwa) be fishy in an innocent way.
#462 clarifies Lommy's typo (by request).
#471 asks the Cave not to lynch Lommy, tp, Wilwa or Shasta.
Day3: #572 can't see her as an Elf, if she's an Elf she deserves to win.
#573 considers rep-voting her because she seems innocent.
#582 considering rep-votes: "I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil."
#583 continues considering rep-votes: "Not Lommy. She, too, has already been a rep, and I don't think that much can be learned from her being one again."
#642 mentions her in a nerwielysis.


Zil

Greenie about Zil
Day1: #69 agrees with his point of witholding rep votes.
#76 can't read him yet but not alarmed.
Day2: #365 agonises about never being able to read him.
Day3: #572 thinks he's too smooth and can't read him. Anyone else thinking this repetition starts to go quite over the top...?
#573 considers him for rep because he hasn't been one yet and making him vote might reveal more of him.
#582 considering rep-votes: "I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil."
#583 continues considering rep-votes: "Rune or Inzil for me, then. Both kind of shots in the dark. I'd like to know a bit more about both though."
#584 rep-votes him. "Because an innocent Inzil can make a good decision on my behalf, and an evil Inzil will hopefully be revealed. " Makes Zil looks worse than Rune.
#649 asks who Zil wants to lynch.
#652 has an uneasy feeling about him but won't vote him because she doesn't have "even half-decent arguments".
#656 says Zil she doesn't want to vote phantom like he suggests, asks for his opinion about Nerwen. Even though she was his rep, it would be really weird if wolves were conversing this openly with each other on the thread...
#660 "like I said, I'm slightly uneasy about him though with no arguments to base it on, wouldn't mind seeing him lynched."

Zil about Greenie
Day1: #124 wonders if he should join her in voting Nerwen for a rep.
Day2: #376 replies her points about phantom and Sally.
#409 Greenie is green and doesn't ping his Elfdar, indirectly defends her Sally-vote.
Day3: #564 replies to her points, kind of arguing/explaining.
#606 votes her for rep because: she has already one rep vote, she has been a rep and she's not on tp's "want list" (what's that?) and better than Nerwen since Foley whom he trusts nominated her first. Interesting logic... This starts to look fishy all in all.
#645 mentions her in a stevielysis.
#700 thinks she overreacted to Nerwen's point against her but doesn't think it vote-meriting.
#703 wonders about Rune's sudden suspicion of her and Nerwekeke.
#713 votes Greenie, is the third one to do so. Talk about sudden suspicions...
#715 says Foley is why he voted Green.


Legate

Greenie about Legate
Day1:#69 expands on his point about rep voting the same person.
#76 says he seems reasonable so far.
#95 wonders if he is the Emperor's cat.
Day2: #365 isn't too worried about him because an elf-Legate would be more "polished". This sounds very un-wolf-on-wolfy because it seems like a very genuine notion on his behaviour. Of course there is the possibility, if you want to argue, that Greenie was impressed by her fellow's acting skills and mentions it here, but given I made the very same notion about Legate myself it seems difficult to argue...
#448 "Nog, Steve and Legate are all players I'm inclined to find more innocentish than not but that I'd love to get a better feel of."
#473 replies to his inquiry about lynch preferences.
Day3: #572 says he's leaning innocent for her.
#660 "would be somewhere in my "no idea, maybe leaning innocent" -category, quite honestly I haven't paid that much attention to him."

Legate about Greenie
Day1: #97 is disturbed by her suggestion that he's the Emperor's cat.
#100 calls her reasonable and has her as an option for his rep vote.
#136 mentions her being his rep vote possibility but since other people support electing her too he contemplates leaving her for others to vote Haha sounds like a wolf trying to keep the tallies clean for himself! (Not seriously though, just occured to me and it sounded stupidly funny, or rather, funnily stupid.)
#147 mentions her briefly in his musing about his rep vote.
Day2: #427 mentions her vote while discussing the previous Day's voting but doesn't say much. It's funny how he keeps mentioning the wolves but saying precious little on them...
#470 she seems mostly innocent despite bad vote but won't get his rep vote. For some reason I get innocent vibes from this comment.
Day3: #577 "I had generally good feeling about her, although now that sally's been proven innocent, one could start wondering about her constant case against her."
#662 would like to have a look at her and several others.


Foley

Greenie about Foley
Day1: #76 can't form an opinion on her yet.
#274 inclined to think her innocentish.
Day2: #365 would be really surprised if she was an Elf.
#448 happy that she's a rep and pretty sure she's innocent.
Day3: #572 still thinks her innocent, discusses her behaviour at Day2 voting and says it seems genuine.
#652 whines to her that she still wants to vote Nerwen.

Foley about Greenie
Day1: nothing
Day2: #524 uses her points as a basis of her suspicions of Sally.
Day3: #585 votes her for rep.
#648 tells her it's not a good idea to lynch-vote Nerwen.
#664 asks us not to freak out but she has a very bad feeling about Greenie her rep, got it only after her rep-vote when she started reading more.
#681 announces she's writing a post about her. This would be very cold-hearted wolvish backstabbing...
#687 says she lost her post about her and asks people if they'd like her to rewrite her thoughts.
#698 the promised Greenie-post. Doesn't really reach any conclusion except that Greenie and Rune might be fellows.
#702 Greenie conclusions: if she's an Elf, she's a goo one but Foley doesn't trust her. The lack of good reasons for suspicions is suspicious.


Rune

Greenie about Rune
Day1: #76 more inclined to think him innocent on the little evidence she has.
#274 inclined to think him innocentish.
Day2: #365 gets good vibes from him.
#406 follows his lead when it comes to rep voting and likes him.
#473 thinks him innocent.
Day3: #560 thinks it's ironic his post was innocent except for the part where he considered his own post suspicious.
#572 is very undecided and flip-floppy about him.
#581 replies to Kath considering her read on Rune's ironic post.
#582 considering rep-votes: "I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil."
#583 continues considering rep-votes: "Rune or Inzil for me, then. Both kind of shots in the dark. I'd like to know a bit more about both though."
#584 chooses Zil over Rune because Rune is a tad easier to read.
#652 names him as a lynching option based on her opinion on him being torn and Kath's good points.
#656 still torn about him, but would rather like to see him dead than someone she considers innocent.
#660 "I'm still considering Rune as well, my vote will in all probability go for either him or Nerwen."
#667 torn about voting him or Nerwie.
#669 asks him who he's considering for voting.
#675 decides not to vote him because of her lack of arguments against him.

Rune about Greenie
Day1: #218 says that if he was a rep he'd vote her, Glirdy or Steve. Suspects her for not committing enough.
Day2: #386 doesn't trust her although she seems good, can't put his finger on it.
Day3: #561 replies semi-philosophically to her about stuff being ironic.
#621 wants to look over her and a few others' posts.
#655 doesn't know what to think of her.
#673 replies to her question about his voting preferences, mentions that he has an uneasy feeling about her.
#688 encourages Foley to rewrite her post about Greenie.
#695 she is one of his lynch options but not the primary one.
#710 will vote her to save his own skin.
#712 does that, cross-posting with Nerwen and thus giving the second vote for her.

Kath

Greenie about Kath
Day1: #76 mentions her as someone who hasn't been around yet.
Day2: #365 she's under her radar.
#453 yays her appearance.
Day3: #572 needs more data on her but notes that her long Day2 post looked genuine.
#581 continues on her point about Rune, says it's pity Kath is busy and can't become a rep because of that.
#652 uses her points against Rune.

Kath about Greenie
Day1: nothing
Day2: #460 likes her for asking interesting questions.
#461 she feels innocent to her.
Day3: #578 replies her comments, concludes with: "Good suspicions post, lots of reasoning."
#580 likes her but wants to read her more in-depth (especially about her relation to Wilwa) before rep-voting her.
#643 mentions her in a runelysis.


Eönwë

Greenie about Eönwë
Day1: #76 mentions him as someone who hasn't been around yet.
Day2: #365 has no read on him and says he might need a closer look.
#406 votes him for rep. Again quite from behing the corner. Makes me wonder...
#448 "Nog, Steve and Legate are all players I'm inclined to find more innocentish than not but that I'd love to get a better feel of."
Day3: #572 would love to check his posts and calls him a potential elf for smooth behaviour.
#573 considers him for rep because he hasn't been one yet and making him vote might reveal more of him.
#618 commiserates with him about the difficulty of the game.

Eönwë about Greenie
Day1: #120 considers voting her for rep Huh, that came quite out of the blue...
#137 votes her for rep over Legate because he likes her reasoning and doesn't think she's evil
#267 refers to her earlier point regarding the Lottie-Sally-tp triangle.
Day2: #497 says she seemed innocent yesterDay but not so much toDay. Won't lynch-vote but wants to reread.
Day3: #682 is getting evil undertones from Greenie's recent posts. Talk about rats leaving the stinking ship... (Oops what a typo! Can't resist leaving it uncorrected, though... )


~*~


Conclusions in a separate post, this one is long enough... They are unwritten as of yet though so this will still take a moment...



edit: xed with very many posts

[Thinlómien]

Eönwë
Interactions with Lottie: not much stuff. They bicker a lot. Wonder if that means anything - could be a hint of Eönwë's innocene.
Inteactions with Greenie: fishy. They rep-vote each other quite out of the blue on successive Days, and Eönwë's two successive 90 degree turns on Greenie look weird - or more like, the latter one looks quite wolf on wolfy.
Overall: Questionable or more on the furry side.

Folwren
Interactions with Lottie: arguing could be a sign of not relatedness, don't know what to make of Folwren's desire to stop talking about the three.
Interactions with Greenie: if she was a wolf, she would be the worst backstabber I've seen for a while.
Overall: Neutralish + good = most likely innocent.

Kath
Interactions with Lottie: none.
Interactions with Greenie: nice-nice trustiness. Not much stuff, though.
Overall: Too little data to go by. Looks eyebrow-raising worthy, though.

Legate
Interactions with Lottie: careful suspicion but somebody else is always worse. I don't like this.
Interactions with Greenie: quite non-committal. Mutual relative trust. Hmmm...?
Overall: Looks quite bad. But it would've been still ingenious of Greenie to say that thing about him being more polished as a wolf if they were fellows.

Lommy
These will be for you to make.

Rune
Interactions with Lottie: none. Weird, eh, given that he was around for most of the Day...
Interactions with Greenie: she goes from trusting him to slight suspicion and is torn about voting him but decides not to = fishy. Otherwise, either he's an eager backstabber or innocent.
Overall: Given that I don't put eager backstabbing past Rune by any means, he is more fishy than not.

Zil
Interactions with Lottie: Very little data, but she seems to talk rather "personal" about him, while all he says about her is commenting something Lommy has said. Weird.
Interactions with Greenie: Uh. She keeps the cover of being unable to read him all the time, wishy-washes on whether to rep-vote him or not, light suspicion on both sides until Zil goes turncloaks and votes her quite randomly. Mutual rep votes. Looks very bad but I wonder if they'd really discuss that openly if they were fellows...
Overall: Orange if not red zone. Beep beep beep!

Overall overall: Foley's innocent. I don't know what to think of Legate because he's confusing. Rune, Kath and Eönwë all look slightly fishy, Inzil more than slightly.

Such conclusive conclusions.

Anyway, now off to read all I have cross-posted with with these two posts of mine...


edit: DIDN'T x. Weird.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

How does him being innocent mean that he's not the UO? He could have been the UO and just decided to stick with the village (And, according to the rules, Mira would have been updated with regards to which side he chose).

Well he could still be the UO but not one who had been in contact with the seer. If that was the case he would have removed all our doubt considering his, Nerwen and Shasta's innocence by saying it out loud.

Lastly, I have a phantomesque plan. Since we have six unknowns and three known innocents who are going to be our reps, wouldn't it actually make sense to group lynch the six of us? Since splitting votes is allowed, it should be very easy. Each rep gives one vote to one of the six and we will have a tie. Extra votes are not used or are used like
++pumpkin pie++
or whatever. Or if Moddess doesn't allow that we could try to get everybody just two rep votes...? (Ah okay there's not that option anymore. I wonder if the reps could give 1,5 votes to people? ) Somebody (phantom darling? ) please think this out for me, I'm too tried to think properly.

++Shasta for rep

PS. My current suspicion list out of the six unknowns would probably be: 1. Zil, 2. Kath, 3. Steve, 4. Rune, 5. Legate (for some reason I just can't honestly suspect him seriously whatever the evidence says... well if I turn out to be fooled then we can say love is blind ), 6. Folwren, 7. Lommy (I know you can't take my word for this, but I'm not a wolf. I'd totally have loved wolfing with my sister but alas that was not the case. I don't think I would've backstabbed her if we had been fellows. That would've been double treachery. I could in a certain situation/mood have backstabbed Lottie on Day1, though, even though it would've been quite drastic of me. This is all the defense from me you shall get because there haven't been any proper accusations yet and I won't probably be around to hear more.)

PPS. Just realised I had omitted myself so we have seven people to lynch, bleurgh. Well it could probably still work out if not using all votes was allowed...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Well he could still be the UO but not one who had been in contact with the seer. If that was the case he would have removed all our doubt considering his, Nerwen and Shasta's innocence by saying it out loud.

I don't think it would be necessary for the OoUA to reveal, though if they joined the side of the village then it might be useful for is for xe to say so. And would you believe phantom if he said he was? And anyway, there really is no proof (except for death) that could prove an OoUA, so xe might want to wait until a little later, though personally I don't think there would be much point in waiting now that the seer's dead.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Lastly, I have a phantomesque plan. Since we have six unknowns and three known innocents who are going to be our reps, wouldn't it actually make sense to group lynch the six of us?

Do you really want to end the game now, and without even 100% evidence? You seem a bit too certain that Phantom, Nerwen and Shasta are innocents, and even if they're much closer to 'proven' innocents than everyone else, they're not. And anyway, where's the fun that?