WW LXXXII: Return to Tol-in-Gaurhoth

[skip spence]

That was possibly wise of you - I had huge plans on bluffing I was, in fact, a wolf... You see, my thinking was that with three wolves, three innocents, and a cobbler who doesn't know who the wolves are, our only chance was to fool the cobbler.

Yeah, I was hoping for that actually, that there would be six wolves trying to convince the cobbler to vote with their team. It was your only chance at that point and it was slim.

[Boromir88]

I thought of the very thing you talked about Greenie. So before anything else during the "night" I decided if that happened and I saw like 5 wolf reveals...I was just going to pull a. Oh forget it...

++Boro

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I thought of the very thing you talked about Greenie. So before anything else during the "night" I decided if that happened and I saw like 5 wolf reveals...I was just going to pull a. Oh forget it...

++Boro

But tell me this: Had an ordo, a few minutes after Inzil posted something like "We, Ozban, Lottie and Wilwa" are the remaining wolves, would you have known who to side with?

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by skip spence

But tell me this: Had an ordo, a few minutes after Inzil posted something like "We, Ozban, Lottie and Wilwa" are the remaining wolves, would you have known who to side with?

Probably not, even though I was pretty convinced about Nog being a wolf and Lottie was not one, I would have just doubted everything I "thought" I knew.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by skip spence

But tell me this: Had an ordo, a few minutes after Inzil posted something like "We, Ozban, Lottie and Wilwa" are the remaining wolves, would you have known who to side with?

The point was, we all three made the similar revealment... No innocents could have done that and we made it within the five first minutes, with all the confidence. And that was the point,: no second thoughts for the cobbler.

We knew a crafty innocent might try to lure the cobbler into a vote (although that would have been a totally random vote - and possibly against an ordo as well), so therefore the precausion of coming forwards in concerto all of us three with all the names...

Great post Pitchie! We should take that word into our vocabulary...

And I loved getting into your trust-category just a moment before your death:

Originally Posted by Pitch

Nog (no matter what I thought about him yesterDay, he looks like impartially trying to find out the truth toDay)

Okay... I know no one is going to trust me the least after this for some time... but heh, it was worth it - just remember I'm probably innocent the next time.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And heh, thanks also to co-mod Aganzir who held her thumbs up to us baddies while the mod was caring more for the innocents! *the last smilie of this post*

Well, I wasn't even siding with you all the time, I really hoped the ranger would thwart you the first two nights because, well, it would just have been so funny. And I didn't do much as the unofficial co-ish mod-ish, I only helped Lommy select the roles...

"Okay I have 14 pieces of paper and a pen, see!"
"Umm... Yeah... I'll just write this narration first."
"Do you have a hat somewhere?"
"Err... A hat? Maybe..."
"How long will it take you to write it?"
"Hmm... What did you say? Oh... Dunno..."
"Hmph."
...
"Okay I'm ready now, do you have the pieces of paper?"
"Yeah... Just a second..."


"Is that Darth Vader Eönwë?"
"Who's that? Inzil? Why on earth does he look like that?!" "I tried to make him look like me because you all said he does!"
"Oh, that's my dad, right?"
"Is it Shasta?" "Yeah, he's Simba."
"That's wilwa."
"What's that?" "A rainbow." "Oh. Is it Glirdy then?" (sidenote: sorry Glirdy, I was trying to decide how to draw you when Lommy let me know she was ready so I had to think of something quick. )
"What. On. Earth. Is. That???" "Sunglasses, corset, and a tan. Does it ring a bell?" "Err... Boro?"
"What's this one? A ball?" "Yeah, a special kind of ball. A small shiny ball." "I have no idea!" "Think of people's real names..." "Err?" "Stupid, it's a pearl!" (Greenie's name means pearl in Finnish)
"That's easy. Loslote."
"Is it... Ozban?" (He's a Warrior Butterfly, and he can only blame himself for talking interesting stuff when he's drunk.)
"Umm... Who's that?" "See the pinky finger?" "Ah it's skip!" (For the record, all Swedish people are gay. This is fact.)
"I'm guessing that's Galadriel which makes her Nerwen."
"Legate."
"Hahaha is that Pitchwife?" "Yes, he says 'Ei be ze Deutsch.'"

Anyway good game everybody, it was fun following it. The best thing ever was Pitch's If it means I'm a wolf, then so was Hegel, though. :-----D

[Nogrod]

Thanks for sharing the pics Agan!

Originally Posted by Aganzir

The best thing ever was Pitch's If it means I'm a wolf, then so was Hegel, though. :-----D

Yes indeed! I was actually a bit sad to see you go after that remark... Anyone who can incorporate their fate with Hegel's philosophy should live eternally with(in) the absolute spirit!

[Aganzir]

When I play werewolf, I like to go by Feuerbach's teachings, though... It means I'm innocent even when I'm a wolf.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

When I play werewolf, I like to go by Feuerbach's teachings, though... It means I'm innocent even when I'm a wolf.

You're sure you have understood your Feuerbach right? Aren't you looking more like a general misunderstanding of Nietzsche?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You're sure you have understood your Feuerbach right? Aren't you looking more like a general misunderstanding of Nietzsche?

I seem to remember my high school philosophy teacher told me Feuerbach said something like "Man ist, was man isst." Blame him if I didn't understand it correctly.

Thanks Inzil!

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You're sure you have understood your Feuerbach right? Aren't you looking more like a general misunderstanding of Nietzsche?

Indeed. Poor Friedrich, that happens to him a lot.

Some more Werewolf philosophy (admittedly simplified):
Feuerbach: The Mod is a mere projection of the players' desires for omnipotence.
Nietzsche: The Mod is dead; he died of his compassion with his players.
Nietzsche's Zarathustra: You go to wolves? Do not forget the noose!
Camus: We must imagine the lynched ordo as happy.
Heidegger: What is wolvery? Wolvery is what wolves do. What do wolves do? They feed on sheep, which are woolly. Wolves themselves, however, are furry. We therefore call the feeding of wolves on sheep woolfurry.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

In other words, kudos wolves and cobbler! *bows down low* I still can't quite believe that you owned this village without so much as a scratch on a single one of you, but you were obviously beyond us - a nightmare pack! I had my doubts about Zil, but Eönwë flew safely under my caribou, and Boro looked good to me all the time; as for Nog:

You noticed my little slip about Shasta on Day 1 (which deserved a face-palm). Thankfully, you were too busy trying to defend yourself the next Day to press it.

And Agan's illustrations are undeniably awesome.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Yes indeed! I was actually a bit sad to see you go after that remark... Anyone who can incorporate their fate with Hegel's philosophy should live eternally with(in) the absolute spirit!

Oh crap, my philosophy teacher must never see this thread or it will only feed his Hegel-fanaticism...

But as for absolute spirit Werewolf-wise, seems to me that in Boro's newly advertised game one can literally accomplish that... with the absolute Barrow-Wight

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Ozban

That picture of mine isn't really flattering!
Hilarious for sure! Never thought, that you profess realism that much.

You mean I improved what nature screwed?

Ty šílená čarodějnice!

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Oh crap, my philosophy teacher must never see this thread or it will only feed his Hegel-fanaticism...

You should show this to him. I think we need more philosophy teachers playing werewolf.

By the way, would you wolves care to share who you considered killing each night? Because I seem to remember it gave Lommy and me some laughs... At least the first couple of nights.

edit: xed with Pitch. Hahahahahhaha. :----D ♥ I promise to rep you once I've spread enough reputation (I've been lazy of late).

[Ozban]

That picture of mine isn't really flattering!
Hilarious for sure! Never thought, that you profess realism that much.

Ty šílená čarodějnice!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now if I have ever seen an unluckier game for the Ordos...

But really, as it has been mentioned already, the Wolves really didn't have to worry any single day! First Day: Unanimous lynch of a Seer. Second Day: Unanimous lynch of a "Seer-dreamed" innocent Third Day: Decision between two ordos. Fourth Day: Decision between two ordos, later turning into unanimous lynch. I mean, seriously... there hasn't been ever a slight threat of a Wolf being lynched...

And that said, I really did not suspect them very much either. I had similar problem with Nog like Pitch had, I knew he was acting weirdly, but sort of kept excusing him (a lesson to me: never to do it again. Lynch everybody immediately!). I suspected Inzil somewhat, but there were always better picks. I have been convinced basically all the time that Lottie must be a Wolf, otherwise it would be just impossible (well, turned out that it was impossible after all). And Eönwë just slipped under my radar continuously.

A funny remark to the skip-reveal: I didn't know the roles until then, or not all of them, so I knew skip was an ordo pulling a bluff, but then I thought (as I had been thinking in the game for some time) that wilwa was a Cobbler and she was thinking that skip is the Hunter, and therefore counter-revealing... and the real Hunter being careful and staying in the shadows still, especially after seeing this madness... so I was hopeful, even...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Pitchie and Legate: You looked reasonable and confident and I was so happy others wished to do away with you without us needing to forcibly drive it... although at some point I did actually think Leg might be the cobbler. You are tough guys to fight against so I was quite happy to see you gone, but had I been on the other side, I'd have weeped losing you guys!

Actually, I still don't get it why people thought I was a cobbler. Or actually, I do, because it was the same thing for which I get always lynched: I get very often lynched when innocent, and mostly for being misinterpretated. And mostly the reason is something like what Pitch said about Hegel (which was a great remark ).

Originally Posted by Ozban

See you all around...

Well, certainly hope that this is not the last we've seen of you. It was great that you played, I must say also from my part - and maybe next time we can actually sort of remedy the unfortunate paths of this game and not go against each other for wrong reasons

Originally Posted by skip spence

Yeah, I was hoping for that actually, that there would be six wolves trying to convince the cobbler to vote with their team. It was your only chance at that point and it was slim.

Well, with the last Day, I think it would not have worked. Simply because the Wolves know about each other, but the ordos would have to guess who are the other two remaining ones. I mean, if let's say Lottie came out saying "me, Ozban and Zil are the last remaining Wolves", his claim would be soon negated by Zil. The ordos would need the knowledge for succesfully pulling even a bluff like that.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Legate, when you were lynched and turned out innocent I felt so rotten for repaying your trust in my innocence with suspicion; wish we could have joined forces against those dratted wolves and worked together ! (On the other hand, next time I'm a wolf and you're not, I'll have to kill you ASAP - you obviously read me too well!)

Happens. But okay, as for the killing thing, now I know whom to target if I am a hunter...

And Agan, funny drawings! (Or most of them - but I really like Nog, Ozzy and Pitch!! and also Zil...)

Anyway, great game... it was really nice to have a basic setting after a while! I mean, if you all the time have just weird and experimental ones, and one more experimental than the other, you really start lacking good old classic Werewolf where the skill and searching for WWs is the main thing that matters...

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

"Umm... Who's that?" "See the pinky finger?" "Ah it's skip!" (For the record, all Swedish people are gay. This is fact.)

Ah give it up, you are clearly just jealous of our beautiful language and fashionable clothes! And I'm all man, I'll have you know!

And yes, Legate and Nogrod, you are quite right, the innocents bluffing to be wolves was never likely to succeed but it was the last tiny chance of a life-line. But like Boro said, he could just vote himself and there would be no escaping that. Only real hope was the wolves accidentally killing the cobbler, but them wolves were shrewd...

Pitch and Nogrod, that ww filosophy was great!

And I've yet to tell Ozban[/B]: welcome aboard! Nice to get another Tolkien aficionado on board! With a taste for 60's rock and verse it seems... Are you a buddy of Legate then?

Originally Posted by Shasta

To the wolves - congrats.

To the innocents - can't say you didn't deserve it.

Agreed. Though what's up with the you? Shouldn't that be: we didn't deserve it?

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Agreed. Though what's up with the you? Shouldn't that be: we didn't deserve it?

No, haha, cause we lynched him, so he had no part in our epic fail.

[Pitchwife]

Speaking of CSI and 60's rock (well, 70's actually)...

We'll be fighting on the web
And forget to go to bed
And the cunning plans we thought of will go wrong
And the wolves who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
We all vote and the bandwagon rolls along

I'll tip my hat to the wolves' machinations
Take a bow for the Mod's new narration
Smile and grin at the posts all around me
Sign up for the next game and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

That lynch, it had to come
We knew it all along
We've all been hunted, seer-dreamed and more
But the village looks the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the players, they all played the game before

I'll tip my hat to the wolves' machinations
Take a bow for the Mod's new narration
Smile and grin at the posts all around me
Sign up for the next game and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and PM-partner aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll smile at the screen and forget the next meal
For I know you can always trust a gifted reveal

Do ya?

There's nothing new there on the screen
No difference to be seen
And the roles are all replaced, by-the-bye
And the suspects on the left
Are now the suspects on the right
And everybody's just grown furrier overnight

I'll tip my hat to the wolves' machinations
Take a bow for the Mod's new narrations
Smile and grin at the votes piling on me
Sign up for the next game and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meet the new Mod
Same as the old Mod

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PS. - LOL for the pics! (But hey, mei Cherman äccent ain't rielly zet bäd, iz it?) And I can't at the moment rep all the people I'd like to, either, so if I happen to forget anybody, consider yourselves included!

[Nerwen]

Well, now that I have my internet connection back– belated congratulations to the evil side!

Another bloody massacre... but what do you expect from the Noldor?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I honestly think that just made my night!! Bahahahahaha!!!!!

Haha I'm glad you liked it!

I was actually positive that Greenie was one of the Wolves until you went and killed her

I think that was the common attitude among the dead. I gathered from Lommy's talk that most of the dead people she talked to had pinned the remaining ordos as wolves.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Ah give it up, you are clearly just jealous of our beautiful language and fashionable clothes! And I'm all man, I'll have you know!

Quite the contrary, I would love to live in a totally gay country too.
(For those who don't know, this is a very common joke in Finland. In truth, we're jealous of Sweden because everything is better there.)

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

But hey, mei Cherman äccent ain't rielly zet bäd, iz it?

No, but I can never let an opportunity to poke fun at Germans pass.

[Aganzir]

Also, there's a song that's probably quite appropriate now (even if it's a bit awkward given what I just said about Greenie's name. Btw it was she who first discovered this)... Dedicated to the wolves, especially Nasty Dun.