Admin Thread - WW LXXXIII: Nightmare on the East Road - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 10-14-2010, 05:17 PM

How about the Barrow-Wight's "stun" would mean that that person is out of the game for the day (24 hours) in what comes to her/his personal input? So no possibility of doing anything that Night or the Day ensuing?

So with an innocent it would mean just the one chosen not being able to post on the Day (an innocent has nothing to do at Night anyway).

With a gifted: not able to pick a new pick for the coming Day (seer loses his dream, ranger can't protect, Ferny can't spy), and needs to remain quiet the next Day.

With a wolf: As soon as the Barrow-Wight has informed the mod, the one wolf chosen would be cut off from any PM'ing with his mates - and like other roles, should remain silent the next Day.

The picks of the Barrow-Wigh (those stone-cold by him that day) should be announced in the thread with the opening narration everyDay (the others would know whom the B-W picked) - but they'd have to be lynchable even if they're away...

In that way I think the B-W's role would actually rise to the importance it craves for...

Needless to say I'm interested - even if I thought it would do good to me not to join the next game- but hey, when do you get a game hosted by Boro?

Loslote · 10-14-2010, 06:49 PM

Of course I'm in.

wilwarin538 · 10-14-2010, 06:55 PM

I wants I wants I wants.

I will be out of town for a couple of days next weekend, but I *think* I'll have internet access randomly, so as long as people forgive my little involvement for 2 days I will definitely be playing!!!!

Folwren · 10-14-2010, 07:12 PM

Boro, you invited me special like, and I feel guilty not joining, but it's really quite impossible. Half the time I have a computer, and half the time I don't, and that's not very condusive to playing. So sorry. And it looks SO fun, what with Butterbur and the Breelanders and real live Rangers and all.

Have a blast, folks. And please don't let the wolves slaughter the villagers like they did in the last game.

-- Foley

satansaloser2005 · 10-14-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Have a blast, folks. And please don't let the wolves slaughter the villagers like they did in the last game. Unless Sally is one. And then it's totally okay.

-- Foley

Fixed that for you.

Glirdan · 10-14-2010, 08:50 PM

Yes, yes, I know that I'm already on the Player's list but I like getting updates in my User CP

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-15-2010, 12:19 AM

I'll play. *mutters*

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-15-2010, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

How about the Barrow-Wight's "stun" would mean that that person is out of the game for the day (24 hours) in what comes to her/his personal input? So no possibility of doing anything that Night or the Day ensuing?

So with an innocent it would mean just the one chosen not being able to post on the Day (an innocent has nothing to do at Night anyway).

With a gifted: not able to pick a new pick for the coming Day (seer loses his dream, ranger can't protect, Ferny can't spy), and needs to remain quiet the next Day.

With a wolf: As soon as the Barrow-Wight has informed the mod, the one wolf chosen would be cut off from any PM'ing with his mates - and like other roles, should remain silent the next Day.

The picks of the Barrow-Wigh (those stone-cold by him that day) should be announced in the thread with the opening narration everyDay (the others would know whom the B-W picked) - but they'd have to be lynchable even if they're away...

In that way I think the B-W's role would actually rise to the importance it craves for...

Honestly, no, I think that's really overstretching it. Firstly, I think BW is fine right now the way it is. Secondly, it would be terribly boring, imagine that you are knocked out cold for the Night AND Day, and preferrably also lynched on the next Day! It is totally unfair to people, somebody might sign up for the game, but be knocked out and basically never get a chance to play. It is enough that from time to time people might have to skip a Day because of RL business, I think there is no need to boost it with such things. Thirdly, also it will become clear every Day who was knocked out, and it will also reveal who is NOT the Barrow-Wight then, which, I think, is somewhat against the logic of the role, as the BW tries to stay hidden (as long as Tom is around). So, my personal opinion, it is fine the way it is. I am okay with the rules. The only thing I would consider is what I said in my post above. But that's more like for the Mod to see if there isn't some gap in the rules (which tends to happen and you may realise it only during gameplay, like using a Hunter's list to "find" a Wolf in one of my games, or the thing about six-sided lynch in the previous game).

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-15-2010, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate

like using a Hunter's list to "find" a Wolf in one of my games,

Pft. There was nothing wrong with that strategy, and as I recall the wolves won anyway.

Boromir88 · 10-15-2010, 07:34 AM

Lommy, 2 weeks may be a bit long to wait, but we'll see. with 10 "gifted" roles I'd like somewhere around 6-8 ordos, so if we double the player list, I'll probably be ready to go. We'll see though, sign-ups have been slow last couple times and I can certainly understand wanting breaks from WW.

Agan, hmm next friday I should be able to do, if I have the full 16-18 players today or tomorrow, I'll probably want to start by Monday. However, if it's not full until after the weekend, I'll wait until Friday and you can let me know about that question mark.

Sally, well the reason I have it right now at 5pm EST is I know every day I can be on at that time to close/open the thread (also it's such a Euro-friendly time). 6pm, I should be on, but somedays might not be. Although, I have an honorary co-mod now who wouldn't mind covering if by chance I'm not around at 6. So if 6pm EST (11 GMT, 5 CT) still works for everyone, we'll go with that DL.

Foley, aww, no worries though, I understand. Do keep reading and following the games if you can.

With regards to the B-W and Bombadil, thanks Legate, because that is something that I should make more clear. I think I wrote it as it was Bombadil's "primary" goal to drive the B-W out of Bree, which is still a bit ambigious. I had originally thought, if Bombadil "wins" when he finds the B-W, than Bombadil also "leaves" Bree as his objective would be complete. However, that would take away a person in the innocent tally, and if that happens relatively late it could have a huge effect. So, instead I thought...well if Bombadil's here to find the B-W and kick him out, than he might want to stick around for that wolf problem also going on in Bree. I shall make that more clear than about the roles. Bombadil is on the villager's team, but his priority first and foremost is not the wolves, it will be the B-W.

Nog, while I think that idea is very tempting and it does raise up the importance of the role, I'm going to agree with Legate. That seems very unfair to any individual player who gets stunned, to be "out" of the game for 48 hours. Hmm, but I think it could add interesting dynamics to the game. I wouldn't want it to happen on an "everyday" sort of basis, whoever the B-W stuns they are out for both night and day phase, for all the reasons that Legate mentions. What about sort of a 10% chance (or something) that someone stunned at night does not "wake up" from it during the day. Also, equipping Bombadil with a one time ability to heal someone who has been stunned night and through the day. This will make it so that it's certainly not an every day occurance, and if it does happen, than Bombadil has a one-use power to "wake up" the person during the day. Which might take away the point, but Bombadil would have to consider if he wants to use his one-time healing then, or save it if by chance it happens again...etc

In any case, I'll leave it up to a vote for the village, because I do think being taken out of the game for 48 hours is unfair to the person who gets stunned.

Eönwë · 10-15-2010, 12:21 PM

I SO SO SO SO SO want to play, but I really can't as I'll be away on the 23rd-29th October. Have fun, people!

Nerwen · 10-16-2010, 08:42 PM

Sign me up, please!

Boromir88 · 10-17-2010, 11:49 AM

*sadface

* Steve

Woo Nerwen!

With the sign-ups going slow, and it seems like this is a busy time of year for lots of people, it doesn't look like we'll be starting before friday Agan.

I'm not in any immediate rush, but I wouldn't want to take out any of the roles or adjust too much, since I really really enjoy the premise idea. Like I said, looking for about 16-18 and if I can't get that many players, than I may move aside to let someone else jump in front to do a game, and put this on hold until a time when everyone's not so busy.

P.S. For those who don't like experimental games, for the most part this is a normal game. 1 lynch a day, 1 kill a night, the wolves and gifteds all with their normal abilities. There's just sort of an extra challenge with the Barrow-wight, and sub plot with Bombadil.

10-14-2010, 05:17 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	How about the Barrow-Wight's "stun" would mean that that person is out of the game for the day (24 hours) in what comes to her/his personal input? So no possibility of doing anything that Night or the Day ensuing? So with an innocent it would mean just the one chosen not being able to post on the Day (an innocent has nothing to do at Night anyway). With a gifted: not able to pick a new pick for the coming Day (seer loses his dream, ranger can't protect, Ferny can't spy), and needs to remain quiet the next Day. With a wolf: As soon as the Barrow-Wight has informed the mod, the one wolf chosen would be cut off from any PM'ing with his mates - and like other roles, should remain silent the next Day. The picks of the Barrow-Wigh (those stone-cold by him that day) should be announced in the thread with the opening narration everyDay (the others would know whom the B-W picked) - but they'd have to be lynchable even if they're away... In that way I think the B-W's role would actually rise to the importance it craves for... Needless to say I'm interested - even if I thought it would do good to me not to join the next game- but hey, when do you get a game hosted by Boro? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-14-2010, 06:49 PM	#2
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Of course I'm in. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

10-14-2010, 06:55 PM	#3
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	I wants I wants I wants. I will be out of town for a couple of days next weekend, but I think I'll have internet access randomly, so as long as people forgive my little involvement for 2 days I will definitely be playing!!!! __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

10-14-2010, 07:12 PM	#4
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Boro, you invited me special like, and I feel guilty not joining, but it's really quite impossible. Half the time I have a computer, and half the time I don't, and that's not very condusive to playing. So sorry. And it looks SO fun, what with Butterbur and the Breelanders and real live Rangers and all. Have a blast, folks. And please don't let the wolves slaughter the villagers like they did in the last game. -- Foley __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-14-2010, 08:50 PM	#6
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	Yes, yes, I know that I'm already on the Player's list but I like getting updates in my User CP __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

10-15-2010, 12:19 AM	#7
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I'll play. mutters __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

10-15-2010, 07:34 AM	#10
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Lommy, 2 weeks may be a bit long to wait, but we'll see. with 10 "gifted" roles I'd like somewhere around 6-8 ordos, so if we double the player list, I'll probably be ready to go. We'll see though, sign-ups have been slow last couple times and I can certainly understand wanting breaks from WW. Agan, hmm next friday I should be able to do, if I have the full 16-18 players today or tomorrow, I'll probably want to start by Monday. However, if it's not full until after the weekend, I'll wait until Friday and you can let me know about that question mark. Sally, well the reason I have it right now at 5pm EST is I know every day I can be on at that time to close/open the thread (also it's such a Euro-friendly time). 6pm, I should be on, but somedays might not be. Although, I have an honorary co-mod now who wouldn't mind covering if by chance I'm not around at 6. So if 6pm EST (11 GMT, 5 CT) still works for everyone, we'll go with that DL. Foley, aww, no worries though, I understand. Do keep reading and following the games if you can. With regards to the B-W and Bombadil, thanks Legate, because that is something that I should make more clear. I think I wrote it as it was Bombadil's "primary" goal to drive the B-W out of Bree, which is still a bit ambigious. I had originally thought, if Bombadil "wins" when he finds the B-W, than Bombadil also "leaves" Bree as his objective would be complete. However, that would take away a person in the innocent tally, and if that happens relatively late it could have a huge effect. So, instead I thought...well if Bombadil's here to find the B-W and kick him out, than he might want to stick around for that wolf problem also going on in Bree. I shall make that more clear than about the roles. Bombadil is on the villager's team, but his priority first and foremost is not the wolves, it will be the B-W. Nog, while I think that idea is very tempting and it does raise up the importance of the role, I'm going to agree with Legate. That seems very unfair to any individual player who gets stunned, to be "out" of the game for 48 hours. Hmm, but I think it could add interesting dynamics to the game. I wouldn't want it to happen on an "everyday" sort of basis, whoever the B-W stuns they are out for both night and day phase, for all the reasons that Legate mentions. What about sort of a 10% chance (or something) that someone stunned at night does not "wake up" from it during the day. Also, equipping Bombadil with a one time ability to heal someone who has been stunned night and through the day. This will make it so that it's certainly not an every day occurance, and if it does happen, than Bombadil has a one-use power to "wake up" the person during the day. Which might take away the point, but Bombadil would have to consider if he wants to use his one-time healing then, or save it if by chance it happens again...etc In any case, I'll leave it up to a vote for the village, because I do think being taken out of the game for 48 hours is unfair to the person who gets stunned. __________________ Fenris Penguin Last edited by Boromir88; 10-15-2010 at 07:43 AM.

10-15-2010, 12:21 PM	#11
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	I SO SO SO SO SO want to play, but I really can't as I'll be away on the 23rd-29th October. Have fun, people! __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

10-16-2010, 08:42 PM	#12
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Sign me up, please! __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

10-17-2010, 11:49 AM	#13
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	sadface Steve Woo Nerwen! With the sign-ups going slow, and it seems like this is a busy time of year for lots of people, it doesn't look like we'll be starting before friday Agan. I'm not in any immediate rush, but I wouldn't want to take out any of the roles or adjust too much, since I really really enjoy the premise idea. Like I said, looking for about 16-18 and if I can't get that many players, than I may move aside to let someone else jump in front to do a game, and put this on hold until a time when everyone's not so busy. P.S. For those who don't like experimental games, for the most part this is a normal game. 1 lynch a day, 1 kill a night, the wolves and gifteds all with their normal abilities. There's just sort of an extra challenge with the Barrow-wight, and sub plot with Bombadil. __________________ Fenris Penguin Last edited by Boromir88; 10-17-2010 at 11:54 AM.