If you were an elf, would you go to the Grey Havens or stay in Middle-earth... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Galadriel · 11-09-2010, 11:48 PM

I'd probably tour Middle-earth for as long as Galadriel (from the time the Noldor returned), and then go to Valinor

Galadriel55 · 11-10-2010, 06:05 PM

I would probably do the same as Legolas - stay for a while, until it's worth it. I feel sorry for people like Gimli.

xMellrynxMaidenx · 11-10-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel

I'd probably tour Middle-earth for as long as Galadriel (from the time the Noldor returned), and then go to Valinor

Hear, hear!

I would explore it until I have satisfied my curiosity, then I would sail to Valinor. But it's as someone stated previously, either way, all elves go to Valinor sooner or later. If not by sailing, they are reincarnated from the Halls of Mandos.

Elmo · 11-11-2010, 04:23 AM

If you are of the Umanyar, you are not reincarnated. Once you die you stay permenantly in the Halls of Mandos. I think that's mentioned in Morgoth's Ring. It seems pretty unfair that these Elves are denied the chanced to stretch their legs in Valinor cause of something that happened thousands and thousands of years ago. I think it's mentioned in the same book the the Umanyar don't even speak to the other Elves in the Halls.

alatar · 11-11-2010, 10:19 AM

Middle Earth - that's where all the fun is. Sure, the elves *did stuff* in Ages past when in Valinor, but that just led to problems, and so surely Manwe has put a stop to all creativity now.

And I know that the 'left behind' elves of Middle Earth suffer bouts of melancholy, but with all of the new things that appear in Middle Earth (hobbits, humans, etc), I think that I could stave off the blues for a good while.

Morthoron · 11-11-2010, 11:42 AM

Middle-earth. Valinor is like an Elvish retirement community. Who wants to play shuffleboard and canasta for eternity? Plus there's all that bowing and scraping to the Valar. No thanks.

alatar · 11-11-2010, 12:40 PM

There's a *reason* the elves fled Valinor, and why Manwe (finally realizing the danger) walled the place off to us mortals.

xMellrynxMaidenx · 11-11-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

If you are of the Umanyar, you are not reincarnated. Once you die you stay permenantly in the Halls of Mandos. I think that's mentioned in Morgoth's Ring. It seems pretty unfair that these Elves are denied the chanced to stretch their legs in Valinor cause of something that happened thousands and thousands of years ago. I think it's mentioned in the same book the the Umanyar don't even speak to the other Elves in the Halls.

'Tis very true, I actually forgot the Umanyar.

It's been so long, I need to brush back up on everything. I do agree though, it is very unfair to them.

The points you guys raise does make one reconsider their choice...Middle Earth is pretty sizeable, after all.

A whole lot of traveling to do and places to see.

Morthoron...Picturing Lord Celeborn and Lord Elrond playing shuffleboard...it's priceless!

Galin · 11-11-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

If you are of the Umanyar, you are not reincarnated. Once you die you stay permenantly in the Halls of Mandos. (...)

I don't recall this myself. Maybe I'm off but maybe you're thinking of the idea that those Unbodied Elves who refuse the summons of Mandos -- that is, Elves who had died but refused to go to Mandos in spirit -- were not allowed to be re-born. At this stage Tolkien still imagined that Elves were reborn as elf-children incidentally, but he ultimately abandoned this form of reincarnation.

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I think it's mentioned in the same book the the Umanyar don't even speak to the other Elves in the Halls.

The re-born reported that there is little communing of kind with kind, or of any one fea with another, for the houseless fea is solitary by nature '... and turned toward those with whom, maybe, if formed strong bonds of love in life.' Morgoth's Ring

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Well... Sooner or later, all elves have to leave middle earth. There is no choice. The fourth age is the age of Men, and elves have no place - they must either go to Valinor or fade away and die - who would then go to the Halls of MAndos and then go to Valinor later on.

As noted, Elves who die can refuse Mandos and remain in Middle-earth. Morgoth's Ring also mentions the Lingerers (faded Elves), but fading in the body does not equate to death.

Galadriel55 · 11-12-2010, 06:26 AM

Being any elf is pretty tiresome, really. How do they not get bored of living for milleniia, in Valinor or in ME? I'm tired of the world at the age of 13; imagine how I'd feel if I was an elf, destined to live for...well, forever. I much prefer humans.

Galadriel · 11-14-2010, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Being any elf is pretty tiresome, really. How do they not get bored of living for milleniia, in Valinor or in ME? I'm tired of the world at the age of 13; imagine how I'd feel if I was an elf, destined to live for...well, forever. I much prefer humans.

Lol, true that! Though I wouldn't mind recovering from injuries quickly and being tall. I'm really small

Galadriel55 · 11-22-2010, 06:26 AM

And I wouldn't mind being able to tell a finch from a sparrow from a mile away

My eyesight is pretty bad.

11-09-2010, 11:48 PM	#1
Galadriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: In Eldamar beside the walls of Elven Tirion Posts: 551	I'd probably tour Middle-earth for as long as Galadriel (from the time the Noldor returned), and then go to Valinor __________________ "Hey! Come derry dol! Can you hear me singing?" – Tom Bombadil

11-10-2010, 06:05 PM	#2
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,493	I would probably do the same as Legolas - stay for a while, until it's worth it. I feel sorry for people like Gimli. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

11-11-2010, 04:23 AM	#4
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	If you are of the Umanyar, you are not reincarnated. Once you die you stay permenantly in the Halls of Mandos. I think that's mentioned in Morgoth's Ring. It seems pretty unfair that these Elves are denied the chanced to stretch their legs in Valinor cause of something that happened thousands and thousands of years ago. I think it's mentioned in the same book the the Umanyar don't even speak to the other Elves in the Halls. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

11-11-2010, 10:19 AM	#5
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Middle Earth - that's where all the fun is. Sure, the elves did stuff in Ages past when in Valinor, but that just led to problems, and so surely Manwe has put a stop to all creativity now. And I know that the 'left behind' elves of Middle Earth suffer bouts of melancholy, but with all of the new things that appear in Middle Earth (hobbits, humans, etc), I think that I could stave off the blues for a good while. __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

11-11-2010, 11:42 AM	#6
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	Middle-earth. Valinor is like an Elvish retirement community. Who wants to play shuffleboard and canasta for eternity? Plus there's all that bowing and scraping to the Valar. No thanks. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

11-11-2010, 12:40 PM	#7
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	There's a reason the elves fled Valinor, and why Manwe (finally realizing the danger) walled the place off to us mortals. __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

11-12-2010, 06:26 AM	#10
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,493	Being any elf is pretty tiresome, really. How do they not get bored of living for milleniia, in Valinor or in ME? I'm tired of the world at the age of 13; imagine how I'd feel if I was an elf, destined to live for...well, forever. I much prefer humans. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

11-22-2010, 06:26 AM	#12
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,493	And I wouldn't mind being able to tell a finch from a sparrow from a mile away My eyesight is pretty bad. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera