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Shade of Carn Dűm
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We analyse, we interpret, we argue for and against any number of topics. I doubt this takes away from anyone's enjoyment of the text. I therefore don't see why, if the question of race is raised, all of a sudden it is a matter of "over complicating" the story. I can understand not agreeing with a point of view and saying why you disagree but where is the "over complication"? It seems to me a matter for interpretation just like anything else.
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He looked down at her in the twilight and it seemed to him that the lines of grief and cruel hardship were smoothed away. "She was not conquered," he said Last edited by Morwen; 12-01-2010 at 02:00 PM. |
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I believe it is because when I first read it, I wanted simply a good story, I wanted to be entertained. That is the basic heart of any story, to be enjoyed. Of course authors weave in their own personal experiences and messages, but that requires us to look for it. Not that reading for meaning, or what the author is trying to say, is less enjoyable, but rather a different experience from when you first read it. And yes, at times if we are looking for meaning and analyzing, we can beat on things that just aren't there. As readers we make what we want from the story, and draw from our own experiences, but we should separate that from what Tolkien's messages and beliefs were in the story.
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More from the Grauniad http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/...obbit-race-row. Apart from a nice quote-
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![]() What's also interesting, for all the comments made by Jackson & the Producers about there being no colour bar on potential cast members, that every single cast announcement we've had has been about white actors being cast in the major roles.....
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This whole can o' worms is as indigestible as the aforementioned prepackaged annelids. Aside from parsing out text into indecipherable bits of evidentiary vagueness and monosyllabic minutiae, Tolkien is quite clear on the racial make-up of Hobbits, their place in the prehistoric Northwestern corner of Europe, and their pre-Edwardian proclivities. Personally, I have no problem with an actor of African descent playing a Hobbit. Just use make-up to present him as an Anglo-featured halfling. Lawrence Olivier had to wear face paint to portray Othello, which is only correct, as Shakespeare presents Othello as a Moorish general in the army of Venice. If it was okay for Sir Larry, it should be okay for an actor with 15 seconds of screentime.
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Illustrious Ulair
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Bit more on the issue http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10355/1112307-153.stm
All very interesting. A black Heimdall in the Thor movie is a bit of a surprise to me (recalling my teenage years reading Marvel UK's reprints of the US comics). Mind you, this new approach will at least open up the roles of Luke Cage, The Falcon & The Black Panther to white actors.... Any truth in the rumour that the White Council is now to be called the Rainbow Alliance & will go into battle to the strains of Blue Mink's 'Melting Pot'? Altogether now: "What we need is a great big melting pot Big enough to take the world and all its got And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more And turn out coffee coloured people by the score" I'm sure if that was translated into Sindarin it would be truly beautiful.... |
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Shade of Carn Dűm
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What? No mention of the casting controversies for "Prince of Persia" or "The Last Airbender"?
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Isn't that rather like a tree falling in the woods and wondering if it makes a sound? Can there be a controversy if no one has watched the movie?
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