Harry Potter and The Stolen Plot...

[alatar]

Originally Posted by steve

What about this
Faramir in TTT named Sauron as The one who we do not name and in HP they call whats his name the one who should not be named, and also how many times do it give refrence to Sauron changing shape to fit his needs, IE werewolf, and this is used by that bag guy in Hp also

I too found it interesting that both Rowling and Tolkien use the 'he whom we do not name' nomenclature for the bad guy.

Why this today? I've been reading the following:

Originally Posted by THE SYSTEM OF NATURE; or, THE LAWS of the MORAL AND PHYSICAL WORLD.
Translated from the original French of M. DE MIRABAUD, Vol. II, circa 1820.

It was in the lap of ignorance, in the season of alarm, in the bosom of calamity, that mankind ever formed his first notions of the Divinity. From hence it is obvious that his ideas on this subject are to be suspected, that his notions are in a great measure false, that they are always afflicting. Indeed, upon whatever part of our sphere we cast our eyes, whether it be upon the frozen climates of the north, upon the parching regions of the south, or under the more temperate zones, we every where behold the people when assailed by misfortunes, have either made to themselves national gods, or else have adopted those which have been given them by their conquerors; before these beings, either of their own creation or adoption, they have tremblingly prostrated themselves in the hour of calamity, soliciting relief; have ignorantly attributed to blocks of stone, or to men like themselves, those natural effects which were above their comprehension; the inhabitants of many nations, not contented with the national gods, made each to himself one or more gods, which he supposed presided exclusively over his own household, from whom he supposed he derived his own peculiar happiness, to whom he attributed all his domestic misfortunes. The idea of these powerful agents, these supposed distributors of good and evil, was always associated with that of terror; their name was never pronounced without recalling to man's wind either his own particular calamities or those of his fathers. In many places man trembles at this day, because his progenitors have trembled for thousands of years past. The thought of his gods always awakened in man the most afflicting ideas. If he recurred to the source of his actual fears, to the commencement of those melancholy impressions that stamp themselves in his mind when their name is announced, he would find it in the conflagrations, in the revolutions, in those extended disasters, that have at various times destroyed large portions of the human race; that overwhelmed with dismay those miserable beings who escaped the destruction of the earth; these in transmitting to posterity, the tradition of such afflicting events, have also transmitted to him their fears; have delivered down to their successors, those gloomy ideas which their bewildered imaginations, coupled with their barbarous ignorance of natural causes, had formed to them of the anger of their irritated gods, to which their alarm falsely attributed these sweeping disasters. (emphasis mine)

As we can see above, not naming something was a way of hiding from destructive forces. Faramir, I assume, did not name Sauron as it might have been thought to bring the attention of the Eye. Inhabitants of Harry Potter's world do not say Voldemort's name as, I assume, it may bring evil.

Is there a word that, today in RL, you do not speak as you feel that, by naming it, you bring about misfortune?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by alatar

Is there a word that, today in RL, you do not speak as you feel that, by naming it, you bring about misfortune?

The terror that is GaGa.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

The terror that is GaGa.

Now you've gone and done it!

*awaits the apocalypse*

[Galadriel55]

Aside from the similarities already mentioned, there is one that really jumped out at me when I read HP1. That random centaur, Firenze, who saves Harry in the Forbidden Forest plays exactly Gildor's role. Even the dialogue is similar. Then, you can't destory Sauron without destroying the Ring, in which he put a good chunk of his power; you can't destroy Voldemort without destroying the Horcruxes, which contain his soul. Btw, I heard that some JRRT fan sued Rowling for this one . And Aragog is an exact copy of Shelob.

[Aiwendil]

And Aragog is an exact copy of Shelob.

Only not so evil . . .

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Aiwendil

Only not so evil . . .

HP - LotR for kids?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by alatar

HP - LotR for kids?

Sort of. I like LOTR WAAAY better. In LOTR feelings=emotions, in HP, feelings=facts. simple enough for kids, but very boring for people like e. What surprises me about HP, though, is that I know many "almost-adults" completely nuts about it.

[xMellrynxMaidenx]

Originally Posted by alatar

Is there a word that, today in RL, you do not speak as you feel that, by naming it, you bring about misfortune?

Twilight.

I call it the Series That Shall Not Be Named, in my house. Of course, my mother doesn't find it the least bit amusing.

[Galadriel]

Originally Posted by xMellrynxMaidenx

Twilight.

I call it the Series That Shall Not Be Named, in my house. Of course, my mother doesn't find it the least bit amusing.

HAHA! Series That Shall Not Be Named! I salute to you!