Bilbo and the Ring: A Question - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Galadriel55 · 01-03-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PrinceOfTheHalflings

1. Frodo didn't have Gandalf standing next to him at the Crack of Doom!
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4. Sauron's power was at its maximum in Mordor. I don't think anyone would have had the willpower to destroy the Ring in the very place it was made (Mount Doom).

True, that. Even Isildur wasn't able to destroy the Ring, with Elrond and Cirdan standing there telling him to do so.

Findegil · 01-04-2011, 06:25 AM

I agree to much that was said already, but I would like to add that one big diffence is how Bilbo and Fordo lose the Ring.

Bilbo at the one hand gives it away by his own free will, even if he needed all the help Gandalf could give.
Frodo is robbed of the Ring wihle fighting to keep it his own.

That means Bilbo could be content that he had let the Ring pass away, while Frodo either had to face the fact that he had failed in his mission, or the we had lost it to his own inability to protect it as his possession or both.

I think that this makes a huge diffrence.

Respectfuly
Findegil

thewarrior33 · 01-04-2011, 11:36 AM

I would just like to thank all the people who responded to my question. This is a really great site for those are ignorant in the nuances of the books and desire more information.

It really is a shame Frodo can't let go of the Ring. I understand his guilt (though I don't consider him a failure in the least), but I really did not expect him to so grieve the loss of the Ring. I especially feel bad for Sam, my favorite character. I don't blame Frodo for leaving, but that's a poor reward for such loyal and dedicated service from Sam. I know he left him the house, but I think Sam would rather have had his companionship.

Thanks again to everyone who provided some insight into my question. And thank you all for your warm welcome into this forum.

Findegil · 01-05-2011, 03:18 AM

Probably Frodo was right that as long as he was around Sam would have been split between his comradship to Fordo and his love for Rose and the children. May be it was the best that could hapen to Sam, even so he would not have agreed to that himself; just like the destruction of the Ring was the best that could hapen for Fordo.

Respectfuly
Findegil

Lobelia · 01-05-2011, 04:59 AM

[QUOTE=Findegil;645777]Probably Frodo was right that as long as he was around Sam would have been split between his comradship to Fordo and his love for Rose and the children. May be it was the best that could hapen to Sam, even so he would not have agreed to that himself; just like the destruction of the Ring was the best that could hapen for Fordo.

Frodo left because he was still in pain and could only be healed across the sea. Sam did eventually have the chance to go, himself. It was, indeed a good thing for Sam that Frodo went; as long as Frodo was there, the family would have to compete with "Mr Frodo". After he left, Sam was no longer the servant, but his own person, who became Mayor of the Shire and one of Aragorn's councillors. The really sad thing was Frodo having made such a sacrifice for Middle Earth and not being able to enjoy it in peace.

01-04-2011, 11:36 AM	#3
thewarrior33 Newly Deceased Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2	Many Thanks! I would just like to thank all the people who responded to my question. This is a really great site for those are ignorant in the nuances of the books and desire more information. It really is a shame Frodo can't let go of the Ring. I understand his guilt (though I don't consider him a failure in the least), but I really did not expect him to so grieve the loss of the Ring. I especially feel bad for Sam, my favorite character. I don't blame Frodo for leaving, but that's a poor reward for such loyal and dedicated service from Sam. I know he left him the house, but I think Sam would rather have had his companionship. Thanks again to everyone who provided some insight into my question. And thank you all for your warm welcome into this forum.

01-05-2011, 04:59 AM	#5
Lobelia Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 150	Bilbo and the Ring [QUOTE=Findegil;645777]Probably Frodo was right that as long as he was around Sam would have been split between his comradship to Fordo and his love for Rose and the children. May be it was the best that could hapen to Sam, even so he would not have agreed to that himself; just like the destruction of the Ring was the best that could hapen for Fordo. Frodo left because he was still in pain and could only be healed across the sea. Sam did eventually have the chance to go, himself. It was, indeed a good thing for Sam that Frodo went; as long as Frodo was there, the family would have to compete with "Mr Frodo". After he left, Sam was no longer the servant, but his own person, who became Mayor of the Shire and one of Aragorn's councillors. The really sad thing was Frodo having made such a sacrifice for Middle Earth and not being able to enjoy it in peace.

01-04-2011, 06:25 AM	#2
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	I agree to much that was said already, but I would like to add that one big diffence is how Bilbo and Fordo lose the Ring. Bilbo at the one hand gives it away by his own free will, even if he needed all the help Gandalf could give. Frodo is robbed of the Ring wihle fighting to keep it his own. That means Bilbo could be content that he had let the Ring pass away, while Frodo either had to face the fact that he had failed in his mission, or the we had lost it to his own inability to protect it as his possession or both. I think that this makes a huge diffrence. Respectfuly Findegil

01-05-2011, 03:18 AM	#4
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Probably Frodo was right that as long as he was around Sam would have been split between his comradship to Fordo and his love for Rose and the children. May be it was the best that could hapen to Sam, even so he would not have agreed to that himself; just like the destruction of the Ring was the best that could hapen for Fordo. Respectfuly Findegil