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Haunting Spirit
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Please demonstrate to me, in some textual way, how exactly you think the metaphysics of CoH and LOTR are similar? Or are they similar only in terms of the "larger context"? I don't understand your point. How does the "larger context" make CoH consistent with LOTR, and why should it even be expected to do so? Is it because there really is suffering in both, but in the end good comes of it? Perhaps that is true of LOTR, but it is manifestly not of the story of Turin. No 'good' comes of it at all. So, I want to be clear. -CoH is part of a larger story arc. -It can be read as part of this larger story arc. Of course ![]() -How does this diminish the metaphysical, aesthetic, tonal, and qualitative difference between it and LOTR, whether it is read as part of the Silmarillion or not? Specifically? |
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*sigh* Unfortunately, after the lapse of several months, I no longer have all the arguments posed on this thread at my fingertips, but I'll do my best.
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![]() Anyway, my purpose here was to argue that it is at least equally valid to read it as part of the whole. Furthermore, I was talking about the legendarium as a whole at that point, as I think we all were. If you can't understand my point about context... well, I'm at a loss, because it seems a very simple one to me.
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Haunting Spirit
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I will roll my eyes if I wish. Thanks.
Apparently I have not been clear enough. I argue that it can be read "out of context" or "in context". Clear? I have never argued it belongs out of the rest of the creation. I argue it contrasts on many points with other aspects of it. Perhaps we agree more than you think. Yes, it can be read in context. Whatever. I don't care, and I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in the story, and whether you read it in context or not, how it contrasts with LOTR in particular. I have not about faced, nor have I contradicted my argument. If you think I really have, show me a quote. Last edited by tumhalad2; 01-18-2011 at 08:30 PM. Reason: more thoughts |
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Quotes? Okay, here you go.
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Incidentally, before you get angry– please recall that I stated repeatedly on your "CoH film" thread that I was not interested in starting up this debate again. I'm not– I got bored with it long ago. I replied to you only because you specifically, not to mention rather aggressively, demanded a reply. Now you've had it. Enough. EDIT:X'd with tum's self-edit.
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tumhalad, please calm down. I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings– and yes, I'll admit I do quite enjoy baiting you.
![]() Anyway, since other people may want to continue the topic, I suggest you delete those last two paragraphs before one of the mods closes the thread. They usually do when things get this heated. ~Nerwen, Internet Bully. ![]() EDIT:X'd with tumhalad again.
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Haunting Spirit
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Okay, lets agree to get along then
![]() It is evident we have different ideas about things, but that's okay. In future, and I am trying to be as friendly as possible here, please desist "baiting" me. I don't appreciate it, and I'm not sure why you do it. That way, I'm less liable to reply in turn, and our disagreements are less likely to end in me getting frustrated and annoyed at you. Other than that, your ideas are always interesting and thought provoking ![]() Last edited by tumhalad2; 01-18-2011 at 08:38 PM. |
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We-ell, I'll try...
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