Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 01-28-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lottie

I've seen him get...meaner before as a Gifted.

That isn't my experience with him. This "meanness" you speak of fits nicely into my primary point about him- that for someone claiming to be a Seer he pretty much went the opposite direction when it came to survival tactics. His vote-attracting smacks of a Cobbler, and this false reveal (I realize that no one else can know it's false) also fits the mold.

Loslote · 01-28-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

His vote-attracting smacks of a Cobbler, and this false reveal (I realize that no one else can know it's false) also fits the mold.

If he was trying to die, he was already well on his way there. He's already got, what, four votes? If dying was his goal, he just had to keep doing what he was doing. The Seer-reveal kept him alive for another Night, not doomed him.

the phantom · 01-28-2011, 08:05 PM

But Lottie, it paves the way for him to continue serving a purpose once in Mandos. He's already assured his death in one fashion or another, and now the only missing component is having an angle to work after death. Now we see what it is.

Plus there's always the remote hope that there will be a counter-reveal, particularly if the true Seer is also on the chopping block and is put forward as a suitable replacement candidate. A Cobbler would be foolish to ignore that glorious possibility.

the phantom · 01-28-2011, 08:09 PM

Leaving for home now. Be back soon.

Nessa Telrunya · 01-28-2011, 08:10 PM

I hate to say it, but I believe Nog. I don't think it would be particularly beneficial to false reveal as a seer at this point, and he seems worked up enough about the Lovers' playing that it strikes me as sincere.

So I hope I'm right..

++the phantom

Because it's more likely than not that one of the two is a wolf-cobbler.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-28-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I hate to say it, but I believe Nog. I don't think it would be particularly beneficial to false reveal as a seer at this point, and he seems worked up enough about the Lovers' playing that it strikes me as sincere.

So I hope I'm right..

++the phantom

Because it's more likely than not that one of the two is a wolf-cobbler.

Hm, brilliant. Now if Nog is bad, this looked rather bad too. And, I mean, even if Nog is telling the truth, once again, it does not make much sense to lynch Cobbler at this point. So I don't see why immediately following and wishing to lynch phantom.

So, in fact, this might bring me even to vote Nessa once again. There is also Lottie, whose reaction I also was not very fond of. The trouble is, we have no way to verify who is lying and who is not right now. Okay, last thought and then I will vote. Honestly.

EDIT: x-ed with Mith and Fea

Mithalwen · 01-28-2011, 08:35 PM

OK well the time is seriously incompatible with the time I need to be up tomorrow so unless someone convinces m v quickly I shall vote for damage limitation and Blind Guardian.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-28-2011, 08:37 PM

++Nessa

I think I have said all as for what I think about whom people should vote or not... preferably not any possible Cobblers; otherwise, sufficient to say, seeing either of my general suspects go will be fine. But I have to really go to sleep now, so, vote well, folks... and really looking forward to toMorrow...

EDIT: x-ed since my last

Loslote · 01-28-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

But Lottie, it paves the way for him to continue serving a purpose once in Mandos. He's already assured his death in one fashion or another, and now the only missing component is having an angle to work after death. Now we see what it is.

Just like Fea suggested, you mean? But people already know that's an option. They won't trust him completely without proof. Dead people can vote to find out roles, right? So maybe they vote Nog, find out for sure if he's the seer or not. Especially if this:

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Plus there's always the remote hope that there will be a counter-reveal, particularly if the true Seer is also on the chopping block and is put forward as a suitable replacement candidate. A Cobbler would be foolish to ignore that glorious possibility.

Happens as well. With two reveals, a supposed Cobbler!Nog would not have the automatic power in Mandos that you seem to assume.

EDIT: xed since the post I quoted

Feanor of the Peredhil · 01-28-2011, 08:03 PM

So here's an amusing moment for the night...

We have to choose to believe either the phantom, or Nog.

Boromir88 · 01-28-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

We have to choose to believe either the phantom, or Nog.

Ask me the next day if we're both alive, because my answer right now is "neither."

01-28-2011, 08:05 PM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	But Lottie, it paves the way for him to continue serving a purpose once in Mandos. He's already assured his death in one fashion or another, and now the only missing component is having an angle to work after death. Now we see what it is. Plus there's always the remote hope that there will be a counter-reveal, particularly if the true Seer is also on the chopping block and is put forward as a suitable replacement candidate. A Cobbler would be foolish to ignore that glorious possibility. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-28-2011, 08:09 PM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Leaving for home now. Be back soon. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-28-2011, 08:10 PM	#5
Nessa Telrunya Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In a paper bag Posts: 396	I hate to say it, but I believe Nog. I don't think it would be particularly beneficial to false reveal as a seer at this point, and he seems worked up enough about the Lovers' playing that it strikes me as sincere. So I hope I'm right.. ++the phantom Because it's more likely than not that one of the two is a wolf-cobbler. __________________ Joined together wrote our names upon the page Seven times alliance our loyalties we gave

01-28-2011, 08:35 PM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	OK well the time is seriously incompatible with the time I need to be up tomorrow so unless someone convinces m v quickly I shall vote for damage limitation and Blind Guardian. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-28-2011, 08:37 PM	#8
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	++Nessa I think I have said all as for what I think about whom people should vote or not... preferably not any possible Cobblers; otherwise, sufficient to say, seeing either of my general suspects go will be fine. But I have to really go to sleep now, so, vote well, folks... and really looking forward to toMorrow... EDIT: x-ed since my last __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-28-2011, 08:03 PM	#10
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	So here's an amusing moment for the night... We have to choose to believe either the phantom, or Nog. __________________ peace