Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[the phantom]

Where is everyone?

Well, I have to leave soon. I'll be back for the final hour/hour-and-a-half.

Before I leave, as a final word to the dead regarding how we will interpret tomorrow's bonus vote, I stick by what I said earlier-

Originally Posted by Phantom

Dead- ignore this ridiculous business with us voting on who to check tonight. What you decide to do should be dependent upon the identity of Lommy. If you find her guilty, check our future lynches. If you find her innocent, check Nessa.

We need yesterday's vote to be meaningful, and that is the best way to do it. Go with that unless I am overruled by a considerable majority of others (i.e. everyone) who for some reason wish to decide for themselves between Nessa and today's lynch. I would rather leave the decision in your hands based upon what you found with Lommy.

As far as my intentions towards the living, I'm undecided. After that last readthrough I am quite wary of Lottie, but if she doesn't get any votes it would be pointless for me to go in that direction, in which case... I'm not certain. I would've said Boro before, but as he has been one pushing Lottie I am considering giving him a temporary break and looking elsewhere. Out of Daughter and Sally, the former makes the most sense to me at this time, but I do admit that I haven't given Sally a proper read. If it does come down to those two, I will do my best to make myself more informed before I vote.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

In her defense it easily could have been a cross-post, but of course if she had been keeping track of who was around and which way they were likely to vote she could've seen it coming.

It was a cross post. And yeah, I knew it might happen, but I wasn't sure. I said I was planning on voting for Nessa, and after four minutes of nothing since my post asking who was around, voted right at DL. After all, it was that or risk leaving the vote as it was - still a double lynch.

Day 4 early- Her reaction to Ang placing her in a pack of three is to defend herself and the others. I may be mistaken, but a more innocent reaction would be to fear that you are being tied to Wolves, since they do like to tie themselves to innocent (to bring them down if they happen to fall). I would think an innocent would be a bit more paranoid about that possibility, where as a brilliant Wolfish response might be to appear innocent by defending everyone involved and in the process possibly win over those you are linked to, which goes back to the Wolves linking themselves purposefully with innocents.

Nah, I just raised my eyebrows at the fact that Ang's list listed as wolves three people that I very much didn't think of as wolves. I don't think I can remember being tied to a wolf as an innocent...I've seen it happen, yeah, but it's never happened to me personally.

After the lynch (both yesterday and today) she seems quite apologetic about causing the double, which might make me more suspicious of her. I mean, she did say that she could see lynching both of them, and she certainly favored Nessa dying and her vote killed Nessa, so why be sorry? I can only assume it's a show for appearances.

I didn't want a double lynch. Or at least, I didn't want a double lynch that Day. Coupled with the Lovers' deaths, it ended up killing off a lot of people. Boro said something somewhere about how Glorfy's save didn't negate the double lynch, but it does. I'm not bothered by the idea of a double lynch as such. I'm more bothered by losing extreme amounts of people. Glorfy's save evened out the numbers. We lost the same number of players that we would have without either a double lynch or a Glorfy save. But with the double lynch and Glorfy save, both dead people could have been evil. With a Glorfy save and no double lynch, only one of them could have been evil. The other had to be innocent.

[the phantom]

Okay, seriously, only ONE post while I'm gone?!

Just got home, and while I was gone I received a voicemail from Sally which said, (paraphrasing here) "Please inform everyone that I don't feel well and can't get on the Downs and wish to vote for Lottie, but of course I understand that Rikae probably won't accept this as a proper vote, but just pass it along please."

So, yeah... This message from a player who isn't posting accounts for half the posting that has been done during the past hour and a half.

[the phantom]

THE VOTES:

Ang ++ Lottie
Green ++ Sally
Nerwen ++ Daughter

LEFT TO VOTE:
Glirdan
Daughter
Lottie
Wilwa
Legate
Sally
Phantom
Boro
Mith

Still quite a few people left to vote when one considers that we are nearing the final hour....

[Glirdan]

Okay, I just got back in from rehearsal (that I acutally completely forgot I had until I was leaving my apartment for work) and thus have had no chance to skim through anything. And I have a very unlikely chance of skimming through everything that i want to of Angu from the past few days. So, just a forewarning, my vote will more then likely be for Angu.

However, I'm going to do a quick read through of toDay's posts and see if anything else strikes me as Wolfish before I make my final decision.

[elronds_daughter]

Well, rats. I was hoping to have a lightbulb by the time I came back, but I haven't. I'm still going to put off voting for a little while yet, though. Leaning towards Ang or Boro or Mith, but I'm kind of afraid to take a shot in the dark, because I just don't know. And there's no way I can know. Which is endlessly frustrating.

[Rikae]

Since I offered to post Glirdan's vote for him when he couldn't log on, I should do the same for Sally, so:
[Sally]

++Lottie

[/Sally]

[Mithalwen]

Sorry, was asleep. Am here to the end now Ihope but won't leave it that long. Highly unlikely to vote Ang today. Don't think he seems so guilty and then there is the silence factor. Anyway. Need to see if anything posted of interest since I fell asleep.

[Loslote]

I'll have to vote a lot sooner than I thought I would, so I'm going to do something rather silly/stupid and go for one of our quieter people. I'm not saying she's a sub - I know she's busy in RL and everything - but I don't have anything better at the moment, so...

++ Vanilwuffin

EDIT: xed with Mith

[the phantom]

Really, Lottie? That's how you voted when under threat?

I can't decide if you're brilliant or insane. Because, you know, it really makes you look unWolfish, but of course there's the double-bluff layer to that... Bleh.

THE VOTES:

Ang ++ Lottie
Green ++ Sally
Nerwen ++ Daughter
Sally ++ Lottie (2)
Lottie ++ Wilwa

LEFT TO VOTE:
Glirdan
Daughter
Wilwa
Legate
Phantom
Boro
Mith

[Mithalwen]

Oh great another candidate. If Glirdan votes Ang then we will have five ...and the dead could decide things...

[Glirdan]

The one thing I've notice a lot of toDay is that there are a lot people consumed by the vote of the Dead, a few of which have been speaking about it quite actively. Boro and phantom come to mind. In fact, in both cases, their first few posts contained nothing but that subject, which does not sit well with me. It's an all too easy way for a Wolf or Cobbler to hide and draw attention away from the real matters at hand: finding the Wolves.

phantom, I noticed, seemed to have been the main contributor, going as far as even formulating a plan which included a Ranger reveal. I'll just say I don't quite agree with his ideas on the Ranger reveal, but I do agree that it would be nice to have one known innocent. Besides the point, he goes on with a master scenario on what would happen if the Ranger revealed. Now, because of this, I'm less inclined to think he's a Wolf. A Cobbler, perhaps, but not a Wolf. A Wolf wouldn't post something as drastic as saying "Hey, Ranger, come out and play and let the Wolves kill you" Actually, his entire post there seems, well, I hate to say it about phantom, but he seems genuinel innocent. He's being the regular, controlling, egotistical phantom.

The other candidate is Boro. He's spent just as much effort concentrating on it as phantom has. The only difference, is he's spent more effort concentrating on who the Dead should check which just doesn't sit well with me. It's okay to mention that he wouldn't "MIND" having a way of communicating with the dead, but it's an entirely different thing to try and force everyone to make a vote for who we want the Dead to check. And it's imposing on the mechanics of our Moddess's game. I just don't like it. Plain old simple as that. He could get my vote.

Elra is another one who is not sitting well with me. Like Nessa, she's been hiding in the shadows way too much. Now, I know that it is unlikely that two of the Wole are playing the low profile type, but we do not know Nessa's role so it is possible that it could be Elra instead. On top of it, she's too "I'm going to agree with everyone and hope I'm going to slide by" She's another I could vote for.

The more defensive Angu gets, the more I'm reminded of me when I'm cornered. I could believe him as innocent, but I'm still very leery of him because of his "tome" post. He also stands getting my vote.

Mith and Nerwen are sitting well with me. After skimming their posts, they both seem pretty logical, but I haven't gotten a chance to properly read their posts before toDay.


Two that I wouldn't mind taking a closer look at when I have more time are Lottie and Greenie as both have just been generally slipping under my radar, but from what I've seen, they've both been making a lot of sense, but that's just my impression of toDay.

I still refuse to vote for Wilwa on grounds of my meta-reasoning. Lommy posted on the Admin thread explaing Legate's absence and because of this, I would like to give him a free pass for the Day.

Which leaves Sally, who again, I haven't taken a proper look at at all and has been flying right under my radar. I think I may abstain from voting her just so I can take a closer look at her tomorrow.

Which brings me to my list:

Not voting for
phantom
Wilwa
Sally
Legate

Either Way
Greenie
Mith
Nerwen

Probably Voting
Boro
Angu
Elra
Lottie

Will vote very shortly

[Glirdan]

Lottie just moved up my list to potential vote for. Her vote does not sit well with me whatsoever and is an all to easy, scape goat vote, especially when Wilwa has not been around all Day to post, let alone defend herself. That and there's no true reasoning behind the vote itself and that makes me more uncomfortable.

EDIT: Sorry, she does have a reason which is going for one of our quieter people....Hmmmm....Geez....now I don't know what to think of her >_<

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Lottie just moved up my list to potential vote for. Her vote does not sit well with me whatsoever and is an all to easy, scape goat vote, especially when Wilwa has not been around all Day to post, let alone defend herself. That and there's not true reasoning behind the vote itself and that makes me more uncomfortable.

Yeah, I thought her vote was rather crazy. I mean, she's under threat but she votes for someone with no votes and doesn't seem likely to get more? Not a lot of reason behind it, and no sense of self-preservation whatsoever.

If you read my post earlier today, you'll see that I really began suspecting Lottie after my readthrough, but that vote of hers.... Gah! Drives me nuts!

Is she a Cobbler saying "Lynch me please!" or a Wolf saying "I'm a Cobbler!" or what? Meh... I'm really considering the possibility that I was wrong about her being a Wolf after all, and that I basically played right into her Cobbler game by coming to suspect her...

[Glirdan]

Okay, that's it, ten minutes left and I'm going to vote and I'm going to stick with my gut on this one and go with

++Angu

Let me address some things first

1) I just feel more strongly about Angu being guilty then the rest of them

2) Lottie is flip-flopping too much toDay and even though her vote makes
me think she's suspicious, the fact that she voted completely safely, knowing no one else would go for it, makes me lean a little more either towards a very confusing innocent or a Cobbler

3) Elra, who is both also on my list and up on the voting list. I have not gotten a proper look at her myself and wish to look more in depth at her, like Sally

[Mithalwen]

It didn't seem an innocent vote more a cobbler falling on their sword. The downs slows when I try and page back but I could vote on the stupid nickname thing alone. gah 10 mins

[the phantom]

And where is everyone? It's seven minutes until the deadline...

I need to make a decision fast.