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Nikkolas · 04-05-2011, 06:13 PM

You cannot tell me that the Numenorians would have started sacrificing people to Morgoth had Sauron not come....

They also would not have attacked Valar. In fact, Ar-Pharazôn flat out refused to do so even as Sauron encouraged him. He did not dare it until he was at death's doorstep and thus had pretty much lost all reason in place of fear.

As for Melkor, he was born of Eru's mind. Eru Himself made Melkor to be willfull, fearful and proud. There's also the theological paradox present of whether free will can even exist if we are created by an omnipotent and omniscient being. Because even as we type these posts, this was foretold and destined to happen at the beginning of existence. Therefore free will cannot really exist.

But that really tangles up Tolkien's ideas with Christianity and that is a really heated debate I don't want to get into.

04-05-2011, 06:13 PM	#9
Nikkolas Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 55	You cannot tell me that the Numenorians would have started sacrificing people to Morgoth had Sauron not come.... They also would not have attacked Valar. In fact, Ar-Pharazôn flat out refused to do so even as Sauron encouraged him. He did not dare it until he was at death's doorstep and thus had pretty much lost all reason in place of fear. As for Melkor, he was born of Eru's mind. Eru Himself made Melkor to be willfull, fearful and proud. There's also the theological paradox present of whether free will can even exist if we are created by an omnipotent and omniscient being. Because even as we type these posts, this was foretold and destined to happen at the beginning of existence. Therefore free will cannot really exist. But that really tangles up Tolkien's ideas with Christianity and that is a really heated debate I don't want to get into.