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Old 04-05-2011, 06:27 PM   #10
Galadriel55
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Definitely a heated debate, which I would not like argue about in this thread. However, it can be boild down to this: If there is free will, there is choice. If there is no choice, what's the point of free will?

Numenorians might not have started sacrificing people in the name of Morgoth (since they didn't know who he is), but weren't they doing it already, without naming him and doing a special ceremony? Elendili were put to death for disagreeing, anyone who spoke Elvish was severely punished (I don't remember if it was a death penalty, though)... In other words, whatever Morgoth would want them to do, just without he ceremonies.

Maybe without Sauron Pharazon wouldn't have rebelled against the Valar. But his son, or grandson, or great-grandson (etc) would have. The reason Pharazon didn't go right away was because of elemental fear. How many generations would it take for the fear to decrease enough?
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