WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lottie

After all, only one person is evil toDay. Every Day after this, there's only going to be more. And, if we play our cards right, we could be able to tell who's switching sides mid-game.

This is true, but keep in mind that in our search for Spiderlings we may in fact be deciding which person not to lynch, because- if an individual is clearly a spiderling then that person is clearly not Shelob.

Basically, I'm wondering if we should treat the lynching of Spiderlings as a happy mistake (i.e. never purposefully lynch them). Shelob is the target. Always. The identification of spiderlings is only helpful in so much as it may offer a window into Shelob's thinking, or perhaps if we're lucky the Spiderling may have supported Shelob on the thread.

Without reveals or a true wolf-pack this thing has the potential to be extremely random. What if Shelob purposefully stings people that seem to already be on her side? That would negate any switching, and any support offered her would not smell of spiders due to the support starting at a point too early for that person to have been a minion at the time.

Ah, and it seems we have a Lhuna. I find that extremely suspicious in light of my prediction that she would be modfired for non-participation. Not to mention she seems to be engaged in a bit of fishing, if you see what I mean. The fiend!

[the phantom]

*yawn*

It's late. Bed. I'll be around for the final six hours or so.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Basically, I'm wondering if we should treat the lynching of Spiderlings as a happy mistake (i.e. never purposefully lynch them). Shelob is the target. Always. The identification of spiderlings is only helpful in so much as it may offer a window into Shelob's thinking, or perhaps if we're lucky the Spiderling may have supported Shelob on the thread.

The game is over if we lynch Shelob, yes. But it's also over if the Spiders outnumber the Innocents. Lynching the Spiderlings would buy us more time. If we don't know who Shelob is, I'd be more comfortable lynching someone who looks like a Spiderling than taking a shot in the dark, hoping to find Shelob.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Loslote

The game is over if we lynch Shelob, yes. But it's also over if the Spiders outnumber the Innocents. Lynching the Spiderlings would buy us more time. If we don't know who Shelob is, I'd be more comfortable lynching someone who looks like a Spiderling than taking a shot in the dark, hoping to find Shelob.

Start of today we have Shelob and a spiderling, yes?

Because I also recall our dear modSally saying if we lynch Shelob early enough, than the spiderling will become the new Shelob anyway.

I'm not sure there would be a way to differentiate between spiderling and Shelob either. Also, spiderlings won't know eachother, they will only be in communication with Shelob.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

The game is over if we lynch Shelob, yes. But it's also over if the Spiders outnumber the Innocents. Lynching the Spiderlings would buy us more time. If we don't know who Shelob is, I'd be more comfortable lynching someone who looks like a Spiderling than taking a shot in the dark, hoping to find Shelob.

I think this is sensible. But no songs, Lottie? I'm inclined to be suspicious.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Fact - Phantom is a ladykiller.

Fact - there are more than two females playing.

Fact - it is dark and spooky.

Correlation - Phantom will want to hold all the girls' hands (see Fact 3).

Fact - humans have two hands.

Fact - spiders have X arms, where X is 8 minus the number of legs any cruel schoolchildren have pulled off of them.

Assumption - Shelob eats schoolchildren.

Correlation - Shelob will have X legs, where X > 2 (and is most likely 8).

Fact - a human being with 2 hands can not hold the hands of X females, where X > 2.


Therefore, Phantom is Shelob. Game over.

Makes perfect sense to me! Get the fiend!

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Because I also recall our dear modSally saying if we lynch Shelob early enough, than the spiderling will become the new Shelob anyway.

Our odds of getting Schlob today are pretty slim, but that's a good point.

I have no idea at all who I might vote for at this time. I'm hoping our current four non-appearers will show up soon. Looking at you, Nog! Submarine!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I'm hoping our current four non-appearers will show up soon. Looking at you, Nog! Submarine!

Fair enough.

I actually do hate the games where people change from goodies to baddies as it makes any decent and / or consistent analysis more or less impossible. Also having only one "real baddie" seems like a challenge. I think wilwa has a good point in suggesting we look for those who defend someone without especially defending each other. But then again - and that being said - Shelob may wish to give her minions different orders as to avoid that kind of attention. Although that is something we probably should consider seriously on D3 or 4 the earliest.

But my two cents at this point would be that Shelob would probably like to avoid attention in the first place (yeah, everyone plays by their own style but still). Ergo, I would be less interested in people who give rise to controversies than those who seem like especially trying to avoid them. At least to begin with.

Okay. I have to go now but I should be able to give this a more decent go a bit later toDay.

Sally: where was the pizza?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sally: where was the pizza?

More importantly, where were the d20s?



In case anyone's interested, I totally selected roles by rolling a d12 for everyone.

[wilwarin538]

Sally, that video just made my life. ^_^

I need to leave in about an hour, so that's when I'll be voting. And not much else has been happening and I don't know what else to say....

So I'll be back to vote and everything, and I have no idea who that vote will be for.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But my two cents at this point would be that Shelob would probably like to avoid attention in the first place (yeah, everyone plays by their own style but still). Ergo, I would be less interested in people who give rise to controversies than those who seem like especially trying to avoid them. At least to begin with.

Is it... can it be...? It is! The obligatory loud-quiet debate!

Well, then– may I point out that for all we know we may have a phantlob. Do you imagine such a beast would want to avoid controversy? I think not.

X'd with Wilwa.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Is it... can it be...? It is! The obligatory loud-quiet debate!

Well, then– may I point out that for all we know we may have a phantlob. Do you imagine such a beast would want to avoid controversy? I think not.

X'd with Wilwa.

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO?!?!?!?!



Back shortly with a surprise. Surprise?

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, then– may I point out that for all we know we may have a phantlob. Do you imagine such a beast would want to avoid controversy? I think not.

This is the wisest thing that has been said all Day - not that much has been said.

*sigh*

There's not really much to go on at this point, is there? I've never felt so useless.

[wilwarin538]

I'm here, and will be here randomly for about the next 3 hours, and then that's it. Today wasn't the best day for me for us to start (yesterday would have been better), but oh well. Day 2 will be far better I think. (I have 3 jobs, I'm a busy girl, but I couldn't pass up this game and desperately needed WW time).

Alright so as it stands right now we have the Evil Spider Lady and she's stung someone (who knows they've been stung) and Sammy has a chance to save them today, if he fails then that person is a spawn by the end of the Night. And if we get lucky enough to lynch Shelob today then this person will become the new Shelob. If we lynch the person who is currently stung we can be half happy, partly happy because they were almost a baddie, partly sad because they were technically not yet a baddie. Lynching anyone else would be bad.

It's really different having only 1 person we want to kill, because we can't really look at how people interact with each other (atleast not on day 1 when she's still alone). Atleast when there's 3 wolves we might be able to spot them because they seem too chummy with each other, but in this case Shelob can way more easily blend in.

I think in the long run the best way to get her will be to see who some people are defending (but those people aren't necessarily defending each other). What I mean is that if A, B and C are all defending D, but A, B and C aren't really paying attention to each other, than D could be Shelob and A, B and C could be spawn. They want to be sure she stays alive, but they also want to keep themselves alive, and they'll actually probably be trying to spot each other to make sure the other spawn survive as well, since there needs to be a lot of them for them to win.

Now if Shelob attacks Sam nothing happens (are we told when this happens? and are we informed each time Sam is successful or each time a new spawn is created? I would assume so), so basically Shelob will now know who Sam is and will try to get him lynched (or she'll get her spawn to try to get him lynched). But then if we lynch Sam and realise who he is, I would say we go after whoever originally wanted him to be lynched, especially if we've recently been informed that no one was successfully bitten recently.

Wow, this game is confusing (but awesome). Anyway, I need to go for a bit, I'll be back very soon, and will have to vote quite early. (it will probably be random)

x'ed with Inzil

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Ah, and it seems we have a Lhuna. I find that extremely suspicious in light of my prediction that she would be modfired for non-participation.

So much for having an accurate list.

Not to mention she seems to be engaged in a bit of fishing, if you see what I mean. The fiend!

I have every right to be afraid, after all this is my first game in around two years (I think). And it's dark. And there's a giant spider somewhere. Have I mentioned it's dark?

If you ask me, I think sally just wants to be entertained, so we should just lynch those who do not pull their weight in that department.

[Glirdan]

Wow....I was really hoping for a little more while I was sleeping and now I can't even stick around to really get any ball rolling as I have to leave for work. I'll be back in eightish hours when I will HAVE to vote as I have rehearsal tonight and will miss DL if I don't. Sorry guys, see you all later!

PS: As weird as this is and all bantering aside, I'm actually inclined to keep phantom around for a little while. His actions seem genuine....for the time being.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Fact - Phantom is a ladykiller.

Fact - there are more than two females playing.

Fact - it is dark and spooky.

Correlation - Phantom will want to hold all the girls' hands (see Fact 3).

Fact - humans have two hands.

Fact - spiders have X arms, where X is 8 minus the number of legs any cruel schoolchildren have pulled off of them.

Assumption - Shelob eats schoolchildren.

Correlation - Shelob will have X legs, where X > 2 (and is most likely 8).

Fact - a human being with 2 hands can not hold the hands of X females, where X > 2.


Therefore, Phantom is Shelob. Game over.