Eowyn and the Nazgul Challenge Submissions on The ArtOrder

[Alfirin]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

What puzzles me is that a lot of the Éowyns turn their backs on the Witch-King; I don't think I'd find that a good idea in their place. It's most absurd in Herman Lau's version, which is pretty but looks like WiKi is trying to seduce her (and look! pretty butterflies!).

I though a bit about that. The only logical explanation (and it relys on that oh so risky "things we weren't told about" specualtion) would be if Eowyn already thought the WK was dead/disabled. Say if she had actually leaped for the intital attack (against the winged beast) and decapitated it while it was still off the ground, so that the WK actually fell, or if the dying beast had partially fallen on him. Knowing (now, thanks to what the WK said) the prophecy, Eowyn might have assumed that the fall itself (or being trapped under the beast) had been the WK end/incapacitated him (the old "chosen one can kill the bad guy with one blow thing). Eowyn might very well then turn her attention to the king, (who is, after all, still alive) to render him aid (maybe even try and get Snowmane's corpse off him). The WK coud then have gotten up without her knowing (the fact that while uncloaked he can almost pass as undectable save emotionally has always made me think that, when he wishes, he can move quite quietly and on a noisy battlefield, hearing someones armor clink might be difficult even at close range, if he is even wearing heavy armor (since he as far as he knew he was invicible, his armor may have been light to nonexistant. The fact that all that is left after he is dead is the crown and a cloak (as opposed to a crown, cloak, set of armor etc.) seems to give some credence to this) and have been planning to deliver his blow while Eowyns back was turned (He's a bad guy after all, there's no reason to assume he feels any need to fight fair. And since he also knows the nature of the prophecy (and hence he is sort of vulnerable) he may be being a bit more cautious than he normally would be). Eowyn may have only become aware the WK was still alive and whirled around at the last minute (Indeed had the WK not decided to say something before he delivered the blow, she might not have turned around in time). The blow that broke her shield and arm may have been a deflecting blow, the WK may not have been aiming for that (given he had a mace he was probably going for her head/face to brain her. The idea of having her helpless before him may have appealed to him, but that does not neccecarily mean he had not orginally planned to kill her in one blow.

[Anguirel]

Mmm, I think I prefer the "rom-wraith" love affair take...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Alfirin

I though a bit about that. The only logical explanation (and it relys on that oh so risky "things we weren't told about" specualtion) would be if Eowyn already thought the WK was dead/disabled. ..

Full marks for trying to rationalise this one but I am not convinced the more logical explanation isn't that most artists prefer an aesthetic arrangement to following exactly what happens in the book which doesn't really leave much scope for Eowyn to turn her attention to the ( king who anyway is under Snowmane and the Fell beast ridden by the WK lands on Snowmane). Merry is alongside the Nazgul and Eowyn/Dernhelm is "A little to the left facing them". So when the fell beast takes off it is infront of her and she kills it with a swift stroke. It can't have been so high up and it would be a foolish assumption to assume that the WK was no longer a thread due to such a relatively short fall - no doubt the rest of the beast fell as like a stone as its head.

I know there are lots of things that must have happened or existed that we aren't told about but since Tolkien has the time to tell us how the light fell about her I think he would have time to tell us if she turned when she sprang back. The WK doesn't actually speak before he strikes - he cries as he strikes - and the king is the far side of him. Since earlier Eowyn raised her shield "agains't the horror of her enemy's eyes" either she would have risen it again or perhaps it was still up - as far as I am concerned this is all in the time frame of seconds. I don't see that the WK would have messed around with a slow kill like a cat with a mouse. Eowy protecte her head with her shield first time - That shatters, her arm breaks and she is forced to her knees and she must be facing forward to deliver the coup de grace.

It isn't impossible she turned and turned back and there is a certain amount of upper body movement with any sword strike but it just seems to be unlikely incomparison to a bit of artistic licence in subject placement. I am not too worried.. Tolkien based art almost always leaves me cold - the pictures in the words are always better for me....

[Galadriel55]

Guys, look at Eowyn's left hand in Lau's picture...

[Mithalwen]

Waht the fact that she looks as if she is struggling to decide if she should give him the Agincourt salute or instruct him to live long and prosper?

Also you do have to wonder about the rest of the riders of Rohan given she was meant to pass for a man - that chainmail clings like it was made of Spandex.

I like the Eowyn in the Craig Spearing pic. Brin links to - really captures the sense that this girl knows what she is doing with a sword and she isn't conspiculously Miranda Otto.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Tolkien based art almost always leaves me cold - the pictures in the words are always better for me....

Isn't that the truth!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Alfirin

I though a bit about that. The only logical explanation (and it relys on that oh so risky "things we weren't told about" specualtion) would be if Eowyn already thought the WK was dead/disabled. Say if she had actually leaped for the intital attack (against the winged beast) and decapitated it while it was still off the ground, so that the WK actually fell, or if the dying beast had partially fallen on him. Knowing (now, thanks to what the WK said) the prophecy, Eowyn might have assumed that the fall itself (or being trapped under the beast) had been the WK end/incapacitated him (the old "chosen one can kill the bad guy with one blow thing). Eowyn might very well then turn her attention to the king, (who is, after all, still alive) to render him aid (maybe even try and get Snowmane's corpse off him). The WK coud then have gotten up without her knowing (the fact that while uncloaked he can almost pass as undectable save emotionally has always made me think that, when he wishes, he can move quite quietly and on a noisy battlefield, hearing someones armor clink might be difficult even at close range, if he is even wearing heavy armor (since he as far as he knew he was invicible, his armor may have been light to nonexistant. The fact that all that is left after he is dead is the crown and a cloak (as opposed to a crown, cloak, set of armor etc.) seems to give some credence to this) and have been planning to deliver his blow while Eowyns back was turned (He's a bad guy after all, there's no reason to assume he feels any need to fight fair. And since he also knows the nature of the prophecy (and hence he is sort of vulnerable) he may be being a bit more cautious than he normally would be). Eowyn may have only become aware the WK was still alive and whirled around at the last minute (Indeed had the WK not decided to say something before he delivered the blow, she might not have turned around in time). The blow that broke her shield and arm may have been a deflecting blow, the WK may not have been aiming for that (given he had a mace he was probably going for her head/face to brain her. The idea of having her helpless before him may have appealed to him, but that does not neccecarily mean he had not orginally planned to kill her in one blow.

I mean, really elaborate explanation, but I have a much better explanation, only in one sentence: it is art. It is not supposed to show realism in that picture, it is only showing the protagonists, and solving the problem that you cannot have both people facing the observer. Here you have. Artistic license.

[Lalaith]

"Still she did not blench: maiden of the Rohirrim, child of
kings, slender but as a steel-blade, fair yet terrible."

Too many of these have a blenching look about them.
I'd like to see one where she is standing up straight, calling Wiki a foul dwimmerlaik to his face and laughing defiantly...as Tolkien has her do.
Like Mith, I prefer the Spearing. Partly because it shows her doing what was I believe her main aim...defending the body of her beloved uncle from being despoiled.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Like Mith, I prefer the Spearing. Partly because it shows her doing what was I believe her main aim...defending the body of her beloved uncle from being despoiled.

Yes, Spearing's drawing looks rather nice. At least Eowyn: the Wiki is a bit weird.

[Mithalwen]

Yes the floating eyes don't quite do it for me - I think maybe they are a bit low for where they should be if he had a visible head? but Eowyn is pretty much spot on.

[Galadriel55]

I think that if you could combine the Eowyn in Spearing's picture and the Nazgul in this one, you'd get a pretty good picture.

[Mithalwen]

The crown seems too low again and too much like a spinning top or a littleUFO! I think maybe I like Seward's reflected WK best of them.