WW LXXXIX: The Terror of Tol Fuin

[A Little Green]

Had a quick look at Nerwen.

NERWEN, DAY 1

Only one post, no vote. But then, I'd have been surprised if there had been one. Basically she summarises what Nilp, Sally, and Bom have done, and asks Bom to clarify how much of his famous post was a joke. I think I've called this post of Nerwen's careful and neutral twice already. She takes no stance on any of the issues she comments on, and, this being her only post of the Day, we have pretty much nothing on what was going through her mind that Day.


NERWEN, DAY 2

In her first post toDay, she (surprisingly) laments Shasta's death and wonders why he was killed.

However, looking at yesterDay's chaos of accusations, counter-accusations and passionate defences, it's interesting that apparently nobody looked more like the Seer to the wolves. Shasta's case on Lottie was built on in-game evidence– whereas, a good many players seemed ready to defend/suspect others at the drop of a hat.

I think this is a valid point. The trouble is, I could also see a Nerwolf trying to distract the village into futilely debating the reasons behind the kill. This would point, possibly, to a packmate gathering too much attention. Nah. I don't know.

Actually, some of Sally's reaction to G55 could be a wolf trying to distance herself from a cub who's been too quick to defend her. It would fit that pattern quite well in fact. However, as you say, she did press it further than would be needed– so if they're in it together, it would mean Sallywolf was trying to bus her newbie comrade for little reason.

More importantly, though, we also have a known wolf to look at, and G55 happens to be the only person that wolf went after.

So, the key question, then is: how likely is it that Wolflote would make a wolf-on-wolf attack on Wolf55 at that point and in that way?

I really like Nerwen in this post. She's sharp and her reasoning is sound, and the points she makes are ones I'm not sure a wolf would be fond of making.

Her third toDay continues the speculation of a possible Lottie-Sally-Galadriel-trio.

It's perhaps more likely Wolflote would go strongly after a newbie comrade than Sallywolf, simply because Lottie tends to be very pessimistic about her own chances of survival– she might have reasoned that ione or other of them would probably die early anyway, and thus that a real wolf-on-wolf attack was the best bet. All the same, it's most unusual for a wolf to give herself no other option but voting a comrade.

Not much to say about Lommy, except to concur that her Legate-180 on Wolflote is peculiar (even coming from the Queen of Flip-floppers).

Her fourth starts with pondering the implications of Lottie forgetting or "forgetting" that Kit was playing. Again, sensible and sharp.

Are you talking about Lottie's claim that she "didn't know Kit was playing"? I don't know– it was, of course, suspicious, with hindsight– but it might have been meant as a more general "look at me, I'm a clueless innocent" ploy, rather than having anything to do with Kit herself. On the other hand (or paw) Lottie did make quite a point of it: at #106 she says, Did I miss something? I could well have - I totally forgot Kit was playing at all, I might have forgotten there was a cobbler, too...

She then moves on to comment on Mith's idea that the modified Ranger might affect the choices of Night kills:

Seconded. That would explain a few things– it's been suggested the wolves thought Shasta was the Seer because of his case on Lottie and/or comments about Sally, but I find that unlikely (unless they panicked). It's just so hard not to think of getting the Seer as the lupine priority.

The problem I have with this argument is that Shasta, though not particularly Seerish, still seemed to me an obvious choice for Night kill, given his role in the lynching of Lottie. Therefore if the wolves were afraid of the Ranger, I doubt they'd have gone after Shasta.

Conclusions? I think there's too little material to form any definite conclusion from, but for now, I'll remain wary of her. What bothers me is that even as all her posts could go either way, at the same time half of them scream "innocent" and the other half "suspicious".


EDIT: x-ed since my last - yay people!

[A Little Green]

Galadriel, Kit, Mith, Sally (and anyone else happening to be around), a quick query: who are you thinking of voting toDay?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Galadriel, Kit, Mith, Sally (and anyone else happening to be around), a quick query: who are you thinking of voting toDay?

A bit early to ask that. I'm suspecting meny people on different levels now...

Green (very likely to be innocent)
Sally
Legate

Yellow (more likely to be innocent than not)
Mith
Nerwen
Greenie

Orange (various levels of suspiciousness)
Nog
Lommy
Kit

Red (possible wolves)
Hmm. people from "orange", "unknown", or one from each, perhaps?

Unknown
Bom (awaiting posts!!!)
Eomer (jumps too much)
Nilp (his posts don't really register in my brain. Have to do something about it.)

[A Little Green]

Bed-time.

++ Eomer

[Nogrod]

@Greenie: no idea...

Hah, only got the thread skimmed through as my laptop's mobile-network refused to connect for some reason and I had to awake my old tabletop PC (which took like 1½ hours, no kidding involved ).

And this blasted machine is updating millions of things one after another still (hasn't been used in a month or something) so this might be slow going for some time still.

But I'm working on it.


EDIT: see - my post was an answer to Greenie's question, and it took me ten minutes to make this (PC jamming)- then I decided to make this edit amd in jammed again for the next ten minutes... I love this old PC!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Gal

So is she suspicious or isn't she? Despite that she's a "little suspicious", you try not to suspect her.

Yes exactly - my intuitive reaction is suspecting her, but my reason is telling me not to suspect her for the reasons I listed. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Kit

I went back to read it. I saw the word innocence bolded above the post and that clicked in my mind as Nog and Lottie were innocent to her. No, she doesn't actually say she thinks Lottie is innocent, but she also doesn't really say she thinks she guilty either in that post.

Remind me next time I won't try to phrase stuff creatively as it only creates chaos! The post was titled "innocence stock market" so it was about whose "share" = "innocence value" goes up (Nogrod's) or down (Lottie's). As in some finance stuff. Get it now?

Originally Posted by Nog

EDIT: see - my post was an answer to Greenie's question, and it took me ten minutes to make this (PC jamming)- then I decided to make this edit amd in jammed again for the next ten minutes... I love this old PC!

Why don't you use your laptop???

Greenie's vote came totally out of the green. (Bad pun I know. )


edit: xed with G55

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Why don't you use your laptop???



edit: xed with G55

see post 240

Do try to keep up

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

see post 240

Do try to keep up

If this was Facebook I would have pushed the "Like"-button...

[Mithalwen]

Really if circumstances didn't make her look innocent, Lommie would look quite guilty! She has admitted her vote was lazy, she has done vague lists saying she can't get a handle on people and generally seems disconnected. Yet her vote pretty much clears her. Funny old game.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, not that much to process from the last few posts, or at least not anything that I feel needs to be replied right now. So I have reread Kit's posts. I think now in retrospect, her initial reaction to Sally ("I have to die...") really looks odd - it looks like jumping on the first chance to accuse somebody (Sally and Bom, in this case). Then again, the rest of her posts relating to that do not seem as bad, and might as well reflect her genuine thoughts - as in:

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Intentionally I was confused and suspicious that in her second post she said she'd have to withdraw on the 6th. It seemed too early and inappropriate for that. I outlined some of the ideas on had on the subject. I focused on Bom because he seemed eager to be rid of Sally, not because she was suspicious but because of what she had said.

I wonder what should be made of all this flip-flopping with "I suspect sally", next post: "maybe not", next post: "I vote her!" Anyway, since you said you suspected her still today, care to summarise once again what do you base your suspicion on, Kit?

However, in the end, Kit behaves quite systematically, I think - a lot like an ordo who had missed a big part of yesterDay and now is trying all possibilities to determine what to do. I would put her into my yellow zone or something, but she is not really that suspicious to go anywhere too deep.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Anyway, since you said you suspected her still today, care to summarise once again what do you base your suspicion on, Kit?

Sally has provided a convenient "ordo reveal" on Day 1 with ten days until she actually would have to withdraw. She became terrified of Galadriel's defense of her, using the words "scarily supportive" and this stance has been kept up into the beginning of Day 2. She took more effort to try to push a seemingly harmless remark away than Galadriel did in making it. She has hidden behind jokes and ramblings while attacking mostly those who have questioned her or defended her. Since my second post I said I didn't trust her and I didn't flipflop about that. True, I found Bom more suspicious at first, but he completely stopped talking, Sally didn't. And with every post I doubted her more and more.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So I've decided to look at those I have no read on (Nerwen, G55, Sally, Bom) and started with the second-least poster of the quartet.

29: A Bom proby thing. It was the only in-game-like thing at that point.

190: Her explanation of 'why Shasta was killed'. Could be seen as a 'why we killed him' thing, but I suppose that were she evil could have gone with 'a good many players seemed ready to defend/suspect others at the drop of a hat.'

(Except that Shasta did that with Sally. Hmm.)

196: Seems assured of G55's innocence (by way of logic--twice.) A sensible argument.

208: First part analyses cursorily the Lottie-Kit dynamic (or lack thereof). I think she seems to see that there is one. Second part:

It's just so hard not to think of getting the Seer as the lupine priority.

I agree.

211: Not terribly fond of the "good-votes-are-bad-ones" idea. (I agree with that sentiment--I generally trust the good-vote-people unless the Seer gainsays me or they do something 'Eh?'-like.) Although she adds some doubt of Lommy-chan and Nog-kun in her second paragraph. (But then she ends with a 'Nah, unlikely.')

255

Back and reading.

CONCLUSIONS:
No vote DAY 1--well, she suffers from timezonitis like I do. Sensible and logical, which could go either way. Has been helpful in some points, which points to good.

Only think I can say is I won't vote for her toDAY.

[Nogrod]

I'm trying to get to sleep earlier than D1 as I need to wake up earlier.

So some exclusions to start with.

I'm very probably not going to vote (unless something major happens in the near future)

Lommy & Legate: they have been sensible, made good points and lynched Lottiewolf.
G55: Lottie's consistent suspicions on her on D1 would have been too daring to be a wolf-on-wolf.
Bom: His first post was a joke and I doubt a relatively-newbie wolf would be that uninterested...


Well, that's not much.

Probably not going to vote for Nerwen either. It makes me feel uneasy giving her this pass but I have no time to check her better - and she is a good one if a good one, if you know what I mean. So she's not one we should just try out having to just lynch a random person.

Also I'm not probably going to vote for Nilp as he's just too weird and thoughtful at the same time. It would require more to vote him.



I have some gut-based doubts about Greenie and Eomer.

I do think Sally or Kit could be a baddie, and there would be reasons to suspect both of them, but both of them are not wolves - or not probably.

Mith is the only one who could be said of trying to steer the vote in the direction of saving Lottie. Actually she made her vote a bit early - a relative concept - which could be seen as trying to steer the vote if she is a wolf as there were four people with one vote at that time and Lottie had just started to gather suspicion. Also she made the vote but still stayed around, like she thought the early timing was important? After all I can't recall (or imagine) her (or anyone) being so sure of the vote on D1 that it could be cast that way and then stay around looking at the outcome...

Hmmph.


EDIT: Whoops! X'd with a host of posts...

[Mithalwen]

Nogrod, you of all people should know how I feel about last minute voting. I don't call half an hour before deadline early. Better to steer where you believe someone guilty than follow ....

Anyway the indisposition of last night means I am tired now ... same vote, same reasons - generally all over the place.

++Satansaloser

[Nerwen]

Umm. Anyone else think Lottie-Kit-Eomer is a possible combination?

I'm just thinking of Eomer's rather intense focus on Sally and G55 toDay; it looks sort of like he might be trying to steer the discussion away from Kit– and there's also the way he explains her "innocence" comment about Lommy at #218 and
#219. Now, I actually think, whatever Kit is, that the misinterpretation was quite genuine– but all the same this could be a wolf trying to help out a comrade.

Against this view is the fact that Eomer tends to be quite a single-minded sort of player anyway, and perhaps a bit of a "white knight".

Thoughts?

EDIT: X'd with a Nilp and a Mith.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mith

see post 240

Do try to keep up

Hehe

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Umm. Anyone else think Lottie-Kit-Eomer is a possible combination?

I'm just thinking of Eomer's rather intense focus on Sally and G55 toDay; it looks sort of like he might be trying to steer the discussion away from Kit– and there's also the way he explains her "innocence" comment about Lommy at #218 and
#219. Now, I actually think, whatever Kit is, that the misinterpretation was quite genuine– but all the same this could be a wolf trying to help out a comrade.

Against this view is the fact that Eomer tends to be quite a single-minded sort of player anyway, and perhaps a bit of a "white knight".

Thoughts?

I would say it's possible, but one thing makes me wonder: after Eomer defended Kitanna he clarified he's not defending her and I really started to wonder if a wolf would intentionally draw attention to his defense of a fellow by saying something like that...


edit: xed with Nerwie and Noggie

[Thinlómien]

I'm getting strange vibes from Nerwen. She seems to be playing very very carefully, avoiding too blunt statements one way or the other and sort of hovering around the edges of the village and voicing suspicion for different people and then always disappearing back to the shadows... or that's the mental image I get.

Currently contemplationg going to bed and thinking of voting Kit (like I said, the suspicious thing is that her mindset seems more wolvish than innocent if I try to read between the lines). My other options are Nerwen and Mith, but I have even less "evidence" against them than against Kit, plus somehow Mith started to look better and the only thing I really have against Nerwen is that she's too careful and a little creepy.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'm getting strange vibes from Nerwen. She seems to be playing very very carefully, avoiding too blunt statements one way or the other and sort of hovering around the edges of the village and voicing suspicion for different people and then always disappearing back to the shadows... or that's the mental image I get.

I like it!

Seriously... I've just got a bit too much on my plate IRL right now.

EDIT:X'd with Bom.

[Thinlómien]

Too quiet.

I would like to see Bom's answer or Kitanna's or Mith's squeaks before I vote, but nothing is happening...

[Nogrod]

If Lottie's behaviour in certain respects had anything to do with Kit being her mate... like she said it twice and defended by saying she just thought to mention that in passing... An odd kind of random behaviour by Lottie (possible), a bad way of trying to disengage herself with Kit-mate (possible), a complex master-plan trying to make Kit suspicious in case at the later time Lottie would be lynched (very improbable)...

Kit has made some real effort, but some major parts of it look suspicious: like suspecting Sally & Bom for real on D1 because of those early posts (and insisting on them), or using most of her energies toDay in hunting the wolf-lynchers...

I mean Sally looks somewhat suspicious, but not on the basis of her early posts of D1.

Mith is the only person one could say might have tried to sway the voting away from Lottie yesterDay - and doing it in time as to not rouse too many suspicions.


That's where I think my vote would stem from. Soonish, as I really have to get to sleep (2AM and wake-up at 8AM).


EDIT: Blah, X'd with a host again...

[Nogrod]

Uhh.. I do share Nerwen's concern over Bom's vote.

And that does make me wonder. Oh my, this is once again getting complicated...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nice to see people have been busy with posting, even though it meant digging through several layers of posts for me to reach the present...

Generally, I am getting bad feeling about Eomer from his initial posts of this Day. He goes with this "merry-go-somethingsomething" attitude, sort of floating through the flow without raising too much controversy, notice, suspicion, or anything like that. A bit too careful for my taste and all that.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It is interesting that Kit decided to concentrate her effort toDay (well, thus far) into close-reading those who got LottieWolf lynched. Now wolf-on-wolf votes do happen every now and then and I'm not suggesting some people should be made immune or putting them beyond suspicion just because they voted / lynched a wolf. But Kit's priorities look interesting: like she wishes to turn the discussion away form somewhere else?

Nog makes some sense here, although I don't think the "I didn't know Kit was playing" thing would be a thing for a Wolf to do. That would be really stupid, I mean. But it still makes me think of other possible things behind Kit's behavior, like her constant attacks on certain people (the sort of "zeal") and all that. I think it would be nice to reread her posts, if I have time to do that.

Also, her analysis of Mith is somewhat strange. It feels odd, this listing half of "nothing to say" posts, then saying all this stuff about "there being something fiendish" (not really specifying what?). She also seems to be "spreading the nets", so to say - with her general approach: first continuing in questioning G55, then Mith, then in the very same post saying that at least one Wolf might be a submarine...

I think I really should reread her posts, if I can.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Because neither of us did it properly yesterDay. If all the Lottie-lynchers could just say "what Shasta said" and vote, my vote had to be explained, especially because I didn't comment too much on Lommy before.

"Neither of us" - speaking for both of ye, are you, G55? That smells fishy.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Well, he forgot about a RPG a long time ago... *glares at Bom*

Actually that line makes me think of him as more ordo than not. If he was a wolf or gifted, would he really forget his responsibilities?

Now somewhat thinking the same about Bom, although of course nothing can be ruled out (and most of all, I dislike meta-reasoning, and as some people know very well, it can backfire very nastily).

I like it that Gal has accepted my colour-scheme, by the way

EDIT: intentionally x-ed since Nog on this page, I am losing focus with too many thoughts to process - going to continue further on in a separate post...

[Bom Tombadillo]

Argh. No new developments that I've really noticed - I didn't have a chance to start my read-through at the time I planned and so had to do a rather rushed and still not-quite-complete one - just considering of Day One suspicions. Honestly, if I'm going to be this bad about time I should just drop out or something . Anyway, throwaway vote:

++Kitanna

x'ed with Mithalwen.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Argh. No new developments that I've really noticed - I didn't have a chance to start my read-through at the time I planned and so had to do a rather rushed and still not-quite-complete one - just considering of Day One suspicions. Honestly, if I'm going to be this bad about time I should just drop out or something.

You might want to consider doing all that during the Night. Saves time.


Anyways, I think I've talked about Kit enough toDay to not have to repeat everything now. If you want clarification (*looks at Legate*) tell me so and I'll summarise my reasoning.

++Kitanna

Edit: xed with.... everything!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

G55 - now with questionmarks hovering over her, moving her into the orange zone.

So you're just going with the flow?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Votes this far, I hope, unless I am mistaken:

Eomer - Galadriel
LG - Eomer
Mith - Sally
Bom - Kitanna (throwaway, by Smaug's feathers! You can't be serious!)
Gal - Kitanna (2)

Personally, I think I might go to vote Eomer or maybe even our dear Ms. Underradar aka Mith - or more like threaten to do that, as it would still be better to get some more info about her...

EDIT: x-ed with a bunch, editing in Gal's vote. Ah! So I see now, if Tombadillo thought it was DL, maybe he thought it was throwaway. Still, it would be pretty weird to have DL with only three votes, wouldn't it?

[Galadriel55]

Ok, I really have to go now. I hope to have one more WW Day added to my credit.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

So you're just going with the flow?

No, look at all I have been saying about you since... long time ago. You even noted that yourself.

[Nogrod]

Okay, I just can't wait for the 45 minutes even if I wished to. Too early a call tomorrow.

I'm getting uneasy with this, even if there are reasons staring right at my eyes there. This Kit-wagon looks like too opportunistic even if popular wagons hjave caught baddies too. But now something feels really odd in here.

++ Mith

[Nogrod]

Oh, good night and good luck!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm rushed and the screen is really little. Could I have a vote count please?

Eomer -> G55
LG -> Eomer
Mith -> Sally
Bom -> Kitanna
G55 -> Kitanna (2)
Nog -> Mith

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm getting uneasy with this, even if there are reasons staring right at my eyes there. This Kit-wagon looks like too opportunistic even if popular wagons hjave caught baddies too. But now something feels really odd in here.

Agreed.

[Galadriel55]

I'm here, I'm here! I'm reading.

Thank you for the vote list, Sally. It's much easier that way than trying to piece tht together in your brain.

Originally Posted by Nog

I don't know which of the following is the most odd:
- Lottie doing that?
- You thinking Lottie would do that?
- Me thinking you though Lottie doing that?

Lols.

@Nog: welcome to my newly-founded "Red-orange" category! Your votes are just so... weird. You've explained your Lottie-vote, but that doesn't change the fact that you only voted after it was clear that she will be going. And your Mith came almost-out-of-nowhere. You've suspected her in two posts before your vote, but not before that (IIRC. Please correct me if I'm wrong). That was after Kit appeared on many peopple's top-suspect lists. Before that, even during the same Day, you didn't really notice her. As Greenie (? was it her?) said, it was like washing your hands from the Kit-wagon. It looks a lot to me like you're just looking for a convenient person to cast suspicion on.

ToDay I've been paying more attention to Nilp's posts, and I've started getting a bad inkling about them (I believe I said so before in reply to Lommy a while ago, and I'll say it again). Eomer will be placed somewhere more or less definite when he posts about someone other than me.

Edit: xed with a bunch

[Galadriel55]

I'm inclined to follow Greenie's vote. If there's nothing evil about Nog, I'll be ready to join Kit and Sally's "Hat-and-Sock Eating Club".



Edit: that was meant to be somewhat of an ETA to my last post

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

@Nog: welcome to my newly-founded "Red-orange" category! Your votes are just so... weird.

I hope you have now read my post concerning them and readjusted your categories...

Okay then.

Now I feel like I'd have to readjust my suspicons as well. Nilp and Mith bother me to no end as their very personal reactions look pretty weird or at least oversensitive. Something in me says to drop it off with them and if they'd be wolves, then ignore their victory. The other voice tells me that don't I see that's just bluff...

If I'd have to vote for one of them it would be Mith as there is something to really suspect her on (her vote on D1 as the only saving vote for Lottie) unlike with Nilp where most of my suspcion rests on him being over-eager to support some people which as an act looks pretty lupine as the wolves need friends - and can't afford upsetting people by suspecting them (look at the number of retaliatory thoughts in this game fex.).

I can't see a good enough reason to vote for Lommy or Legate by now and even if Eomer gives me creeps I have nothing tangible against him either.

Bom most probably is an uninterested and uninformed ordo (see my earlier post on him for more clarification).

So Greenie? She really scares me now and I'm fighting against the urge to pay back for her ill-adviced suspicion on me which I think she made a way too easily - and am afraid is something the baddies thought they could do toDay. But I have nothing to back that but the bad feeling I get from her - and which I know I get from her more or less every game I play with her...

G55 then? The reason I tend to think her innocent is the way Lottie behaved on D1. Otherwise I'm torn with her. Sometimes she seems to be very well on track of what happens and on others she seems to make either totally odd or then totally sinister posts (opportunistic, suspecting with odd reasons those I think innocentish etc.). If there was not the "case Lottie" behind there I'd probably vote for her, but now I'm more or less insecure about it.

Then again I was wrong with a case based strongly on Lottie's behaviour yesterDay and I'd hate to be fooled by Lottie two Days in a row...

And Sally then? Oh well... I wouldn't be surprised that much if she turned out a wolf but she's not topping my list either. She's about everywhere but still nowhere on my map right now. I suspected her on D1 but I'm not that suspicious anymore. But then there's the nagging thought she changed her ways after seeing where it led her and now plays more carefully...

Phew... vote, vote, vote...


EDIT:

Originally Posted by G55

If there's nothing evil about Nog, I'll be ready to join Kit and Sally's "Hat-and-Sock Eating Club".

pick your seasoning ready as it will not taste good without some...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Back again on the fly...

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Well, this doesn't. I mean, if you think Mith and Bom are the remaining wolves, why vote for Eomer? Especially seeing as I believe Mith had as many votes at that point as Eomer did.

No, it's clear, the latter comment was more like the sudden hunch, if you know what I mean. As if I suddenly said 'now as I am writing this I get this creepy feeling that X and Y are actually...' but my main suspect still remains with the previous person, whom I suspect based on much more evidence than the latter two, about whom just something fresh new occured to me.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Come on, wolves, what did Nerwen ever do to you?

Ugh, I don't like this one. Only the WWs know, of course, if she had ever done anything to them - and maybe she did? Maybe you know she did? Whatever.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

We know she was an innocent, so I'll not bother to comment on this much, except to say that I'm going to eat a sock when I get home tonight.

I want you to take a picture of that, if you didn't do that already!!!

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But the sudden bandwagon over her just felt soo wrong. It felt like something very sinister with the "easy votes" coming in and I had to just quit in a minute or two. So I made an impulsive decision to try and give you another candidate to vote (I had explained why I thought Mith to be suspicious) to end what looked like a beginning of a really easy bandwagon if Kit was after all innocent (which I doubted but still feared was possible). And you all know the result of that vote...

This of course is what I expected more people to think, although of course I could also understand (like somebody had said here before) a Wolf (probably just one) staying out of the wagon and saying 'Oh woe, don't ye people see the wrongness of your doing?' But no, this time it actually does not seem like that to me, and not even in Nog's case.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now I feel like I'd have to readjust my suspicons as well. Nilp and Mith bother me to no end as their very personal reactions look pretty weird or at least oversensitive. Something in me says to drop it off with them and if they'd be wolves, then ignore their victory. The other voice tells me that don't I see that's just bluff...

I am not going to comment on any of these things, since I just think personal feelings should be kept out of WW. I believe since the modly interventions several years ago (when I haven't been playing yet, but I got the picture that it was necessary back then) it was clear and is clear to everyone that nobody should offend anyone personally in WW. Ergo, I assume nobody is doing that, and if I get such a feeling, I ignore it because I know that everybody of course is sensible and does not want to offend me so it's probably just how it seems to me, and anyway, it has no real meaning for the game. If somebody is offended, then that's of course bad, but then again, most often it's just misunderstanding. If somebody was tricking people with seeming offended, then I would call it unfair practice, but once again, since I believe us to be fair people ('fair play' even from the baddies and all), then I don't assume anybody would be doing that.

Therefore, back to the game, my opinions on people didn't really change much since my last post, and my suspects remain on the similar level as before. I might consider voting Mith or Eomer most likely, others in my orange zone possibly. Now on to see if I x-posted with anyone and then maybe something more, or I will let Lommy use the computer again, since we're sharing it now.

EDIT: x-ed with reappearing Bom! and others after it...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Ugh, I don't like this one. Only the WWs know, of course, if she had ever done anything to them - and maybe she did? Maybe you know she did? Whatever.

That's actually what I meant (the bolded part); I'm not assuming she did do anything to them. I was just sad that she died and was whining at the wolves for killing her. (I just wanted to clarify since it appears you didn't understand my meaning.)



I'm really thinking I'll be voting Mith toDay. Just for anyone who's interested.


Edit: x'd since the post I quoted. I also cleaned up my sentence a bit.

[Mithalwen]

Oh right I can't remember playing with him before.... I dont'know who I will vote for yet. But time marches on and I suppose I can't drip around all day, I certainly agree with you about Nerwen, I have never ever been able to "read" her in were wolf. I don't like the non-votes (from anyone) but I realise she is a bit isolated by time zone. But when she is around she is very perceptive. However I she is like that as a wolf too. But my not trusting my judgement on something isn't enough. So not Nerwen.

I am not sure I am unsuspicious of Sally. not saying will vote her again but there is something peculiar with this Galadriel Loslote Sally triangle.

[Mithalwen]

Crossed since Greenie.... Eomer ? Reasons? In her list she suspects him mainly due to something Lommie said. *wrinkles nose* Maybe she is anti knights errant. Or a throw away?

[Nogrod]

A few thing on the Lottie / Kit issue - and to answer some questions by G55.

Originally Posted by G55

To add to the things above, he only "noticed" Lottie's "slip" after Shasta's analysis.

That's correct. As I have said earlier, I thought most of the suspicions on Lottie early on Day1 were more likely the normal "Lottie looks suspicious" -thing. Everyone who has played with her knows it how often she is lynched - or at least heavily suspected - on D1's, and thus only newbies and wolves wish to try to lynch her. But it was Shasta's post - or someone elses' (I don't remember whose) which stole my attention. And it was the quote where Lottie talked about not realising that Kit played.

But unlike some people have interpreted it here (even if I thought I made it quite clear yesterDay), it was not just or only that she said that she was unaware Kit was playing, but the added sentence. Let me quote it once more (bolding mine)

Originally Posted by Lottie

Kit's post I saw and instantly "whaaaaaaat"ed because I forgot she was playing in this game. But I don't know how to read her yet, I just wanted to mention that.

So why did she feel the need to add that bolded part in the end?

Okay, I'm quoting myself from the last minutes of yesterDay now:

Originally Posted by me on #162

why did you want to mention that in that special way, "just wanted to mention that"? Why did you want that - and to let us know you did want us to know that? To try to create a feeling there can't be anything between you two last Night?

I see no other option unless you give me one.

So even if I can see a point in what Nerwen says of Lottie possibly only playing the ignoramus-card as such, I still have a nagging feeling that it was not only that (especially looking at Kit's early posting toDay - after that she has changed her focus which would be a wise move from a wolf - but could be explained other ways as well... that's werewolf ). But the next thing I do is to check whether there were any suspicions made about Lottie and Kit being in cahoots or connected in some way that would have triggered the reaction from Lottie. If there is, I'm probably going to vote for Kit, if there isn't, I need to reconsider and try to find a more suspicious candidate.

About Kit's first posts still aka. why I thought them suspicious.

I think Lommy summed it up nicely in a post after mine:

Originally Posted by Lommy

I have to agree though that when a wolf was lynched, it is rather funny to start eyeing those who lynched her suspiciously - it doesn't seem very much like innocent logic. I mean, an innocent would want to pose the question "did anybody try to defend/save Lottie?" first (I imagine), while a wolf is more likely to go down the "let's analyse the bandwagon" path because she doesn't have to figure out who's evil and who's not.

And I'm actually a bit confused if none had tried to look at that more obvious path... That will be my next task, if none beats me to it.

And G55, you say Kit was not doing what I said she was, as you were Kit's "first case" (and I think someone else commented on that as well, that she made other points as well). That's not the point. She did make a few short points on several people in her few first posts (before logging out for some time), but it was clear she had used all her energies going through the posts of two Lottie-lynchers (Lommy & Legate) which hardly seems the innocent's way of best using one's limited energies... And add to that that her analysis on Lommy looked like she was really hard trying to find something suspicious from there.

Okay. Enough of that now.

I'll take a short break and then delve into Kit / Lottie relationship (did anyone suggest something Lottie could have gotten jumpy?). And if in the meantime no one looks whether anyone tried to talk or vote Lottie off the noose, then I'll check that next.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Galadriel, Kit, Mith, Sally (and anyone else happening to be around), a quick query: who are you thinking of voting toDay?

Kit or Galadriel.

Mith is strange, but maybe it's just my inability to read Mith.

*disapparates*