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sassyfriend · 09-06-2011, 11:57 AM

I loved the whole thing with Aragorn chopping off Lurtz's head I always cheer when that happens and I loved the whole Boromir dying scene not that I love that he dies mind you, but its a very heart wrenching scene and you really feel their friendship in that moment.

alatar · 09-06-2011, 12:06 PM

I agree, sassyfriend, that this scene is one of the greats, especially with Boromir's death (a great change from the Books). This is Aragorn's second beheading (Moria the first?), and I don't mind it as a way for dispatching Lurtz...it just gets old by RotK.

By the by, welcome, sassyfriend, to the Downs!

Bêthberry · 09-06-2011, 01:49 PM

I wouldn't exactly say that Aragorn and Boromir have a "friendship" at that moment. True Boromir has made amends, but the dark side of his desire for the Ring caused the Ring Bearer to run off and hide, and this is greatly troubling for Aragorn, as well as the loss of the other hobbits. It is a situation very difficult for the man who would be king.

alatar · 09-06-2011, 02:09 PM

Bb, I understand what sassyfriend is expressing about the Boromir/Aragorn scene, as it seems that the guys bond at that moment.

<by the by, nice seeing you here!>

sassyfriend · 09-06-2011, 04:19 PM

Hanna le, Thank you for the welcome. Not sure who or what the statue at Amon hen represents though.

Bêthberry · 09-06-2011, 06:19 PM

Well, alatar, if the two of you think that, I guess I'll just have to hunker down and take another look at that scene.

alatar · 09-06-2011, 07:29 PM

It's just one scene that is actually touching. As I had written years ago, here are two strong men sharing a moment - not killing anything, not one-linering, not any macho crap...just being human, like brothers.

Boromir88 · 09-09-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bêthberry

I wouldn't exactly say that Aragorn and Boromir have a "friendship" at that moment. True Boromir has made amends, but the dark side of his desire for the Ring caused the Ring Bearer to run off and hide, and this is greatly troubling for Aragorn, as well as the loss of the other hobbits. It is a situation very difficult for the man who would be king.

Granted this is from the books, so probably isn't relevant, but I've always thought the movie portrayal of Boromir was much softer than the book character. Anyway, Aragorn doesn't even disclose to Gandalf the full story of Boromir's death.

Maybe Aragorn's honorable where he doesn't "mock the dead" as they say, but I always viewed the two as having a friendship...albeit an interesting and confrontational one at times. I believe Boromir even says sometime after Lothlorien he doesn't abandon his friends in need. So, clearly despite the personality clash, he regarded the Fellowship as all friends.

alatar · 09-09-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Maybe Aragorn's honorable where he doesn't "mock the dead" as they say, but I always viewed the two as having a friendship...albeit an interesting and confrontational one at times. I believe Boromir even says sometime after Lothlorien he doesn't abandon his friends in need. So, clearly despite the personality clash, he regarded the Fellowship as all friends.

Agreed. Brotherly - those of us blessed with brothers know that they are closer than friends will ever be, yet sometimes you consider killing them (metaphorically, of course).

Boromir88 · 09-10-2011, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by alatar

Agreed. Brotherly - those of us blessed with brothers know that they are closer than friends will ever be, yet sometimes you consider killing them (metaphorically, of course).

Ah, the love of brothers.

Denethor loves and favors Boromir for what he can do. This blinds his love as he believes Boromir would have brought him a mighty gift, that in turn would "save" Gondor. Faramir, on the other hand, loves Boromir for who he is, flaws and all. It's an honest love, a brotherly love.

Yes, I'd say where Aragorn stands is more similar to Faramir's honest love for his brother, than Denethor's blind love for his son.

sassyfriend · 09-10-2011, 10:35 AM

I totally agree with that and I to say Denthor is very sick in the way he treats Faramir so much so I'm glad he dies!

09-06-2011, 12:06 PM	#2
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	I agree, sassyfriend, that this scene is one of the greats, especially with Boromir's death (a great change from the Books). This is Aragorn's second beheading (Moria the first?), and I don't mind it as a way for dispatching Lurtz...it just gets old by RotK. By the by, welcome, sassyfriend, to the Downs! __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

09-06-2011, 01:49 PM	#3
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	I wouldn't exactly say that Aragorn and Boromir have a "friendship" at that moment. True Boromir has made amends, but the dark side of his desire for the Ring caused the Ring Bearer to run off and hide, and this is greatly troubling for Aragorn, as well as the loss of the other hobbits. It is a situation very difficult for the man who would be king. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

09-06-2011, 02:09 PM	#4
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Bb, I understand what sassyfriend is expressing about the Boromir/Aragorn scene, as it seems that the guys bond at that moment. <by the by, nice seeing you here!> __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

09-06-2011, 06:19 PM	#6
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	Well, alatar, if the two of you think that, I guess I'll just have to hunker down and take another look at that scene. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

09-06-2011, 07:29 PM	#7
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	It's just one scene that is actually touching. As I had written years ago, here are two strong men sharing a moment - not killing anything, not one-linering, not any macho crap...just being human, like brothers. __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

09-06-2011, 11:57 AM	#1
sassyfriend Wight Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 165	I loved the whole thing with Aragorn chopping off Lurtz's head I always cheer when that happens and I loved the whole Boromir dying scene not that I love that he dies mind you, but its a very heart wrenching scene and you really feel their friendship in that moment.

09-06-2011, 04:19 PM	#5
sassyfriend Wight Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 165	Hanna le, Thank you for the welcome. Not sure who or what the statue at Amon hen represents though.

09-10-2011, 10:35 AM	#11
sassyfriend Wight Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 165	I totally agree with that and I to say Denthor is very sick in the way he treats Faramir so much so I'm glad he dies!