Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Durelin · 10-07-2011, 08:48 PM

I honestly don't see what the big deal is with the word 'lad,' lol. And Coen won't either. Of course age doesn't matter with Athanar's sons, they're lordlings (also the one is a bit older anyway)! But Leof is a stablehand, and quite a bit younger than Coen...thus lad.

(He is around 16, right? I know that's not as young for a man in Rohan as in 'modern RL,' but still, enough younger than Coen to be a lad!)

Quin's a little older than Leof, so maybe he's not a lad. But maybe he is...again, just because of the age difference. They're so young in Coen's eyes!

Firefoot · 10-07-2011, 11:20 PM

For Leof, it's not so much the word itself as the way a lot of the soldiers are using it/treating him (aka he's super sensitive right now). Because under Eodwine, he was treated as the "stablemaster," and now the riders have all relegated him to "stableboy." The way he sees it, they don't respect him just because he's young even though he's totally competent. So any hint of that is likely to set him off. He probably wouldn't feel the same way, though, if Eodwine called him lad.

And Leof was 16 eight game months ago when I wrote his bio... so he's 16-17 now.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-08-2011, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

For Leof, it's not so much the word itself as the way a lot of the soldiers are using it/treating him (aka he's super sensitive right now). Because under Eodwine, he was treated as the "stablemaster," and now the riders have all relegated him to "stableboy."

Except for Hilderinc, though, mind you. He keeps calling him "stablemaster" very purposefully since the very first day, since that was the first way he had heard people speaking about him (in fact, he had been directed to find the "stablemaster" and when the "stablemaster" came to him, he was surprised to see a... well, a boy

). It is, therefore, a bit of a private joke for him, too, but it might not be visible on the outside, so it is just up to Léof how he interpretates it, whether he sees it as genuine or whether he suspects Hilderinc of actually just being ironic about it or something like that. But Hilderinc certainly keeps a straight face when calling him that way, it's not like he's sniggering under his breath.

And Gwath, Crabannan is great - I mean, I hate him.

If there was anyone trying to smoothen over the division between the "old" and "new" Scarburgians, Crabannan's generalising would probably make him wail in frustration.

Firefoot · 10-08-2011, 10:32 AM

Righto, Legate. It could well be that Leof's woes are as much imagined as real. It's hard to get this across when writing from a limited perspective, but Leof's still not totally secure in his position at the hall (though he hasn't really realized it). There's part of him that still feels that this is all too good to be true (since he ran away from a bad situation at home). When he came to Eodwine looking for help, he really wasn't expecting anything more than a very low level position - and then he got put in charge of the stables, so he's worked really hard to live up to that.

I think I took Hilderinc's attitude and sort of projected it onto the other soldiers, and then assumed not all of them would be quite so tactful about it. On top of that, a lot of the soldiers tend to their own horses a fair bit, so Leof feels like he's being cut out and he's not really in charge of "his domain" anymore.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-08-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

Righto, Legate. It could well be that Leof's woes are as much imagined as real. It's hard to get this across when writing from a limited perspective, but Leof's still not totally secure in his position at the hall (though he hasn't really realized it). There's part of him that still feels that this is all too good to be true (since he ran away from a bad situation at home). When he came to Eodwine looking for help, he really wasn't expecting anything more than a very low level position - and then he got put in charge of the stables, so he's worked really hard to live up to that.

I think I took Hilderinc's attitude and sort of projected it onto the other soldiers, and then assumed not all of them would be quite so tactful about it. On top of that, a lot of the soldiers tend to their own horses a fair bit, so Leof feels like he's being cut out and he's not really in charge of "his domain" anymore.

Rightly done, as I really think quite many will have the attitude "look, a little boy..." - of course again, maybe they wouldn't have minded that much had it been "at home", but with the general "we have arrived, we are not liked by the locals, this place literally sucks, and what's that, boys for stablemasters?"

Anyway, the situation outside seems to be funny - I don't have time to post right at this very moment, but I think I will check around some twelve hours from now, and if Dury does not post anything for Tyrdda in response to Hilderinc, or if she does not object, I think it would be logical for Hilderinc and Tyrdda to overhear Scyrr and Saeryn outside (in case Dury would post then we could of course even still have a part of Hilderinc-Tyrdda dialogue, "as if" it happened before Scyrr and Saeryn came outside, but otherwise, I think it would be logical for those two to overhear them soon...).

Durelin · 10-08-2011, 06:27 PM

Ah, I didn't think he would be a 'stablemaster' for one thing, and not really sure what that means or entails. Like I don't know if that would have extra status in Rohan? But it's still about age to me (well, for Coen), and I don't think any of the riders owe even the 'stablemaster' a special degree of respect. I mean he's still a 'common' man like them and just has a particular position in the hall like them (he's not an equerry or the like). And as for the riders taking care of their own mounts, well, I always figured that's what riders of Rohan would do. That it would be typical, because they'd have a special relationship with their mounts. Not that they'd do all their maintenance or of course the dirty work unless they were ordered to ;p

Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative, just like discussing this. Partly because it seems to keep happening in this RP that I find characters getting upset for reasons I don't understand/I have a different understanding of the circumstances and nature of the culture and such. If that makes sense? But no big deal obviously, I just don't want to be too far off on the wrong page when interacting with other's characters. You know, I don't want Coen to look like a jerk because everyone agrees it's wrong for him to call Leof a lad

Not that in-character misunderstandings are a problem!

Btw, about Scyrr...is he ever going to stop being picked on? (I mean, made to look like a complete fool/jerk all of the time?) Speaking of looking for a fight...*cough*Saeryn*cough*...haha

littlemanpoet · 10-08-2011, 06:39 PM

It just occurred to me that we used to call Léof the "ostler", which was correct when the "Eorl of Middle Emnet's" Hall was "The White Horse Inn". Now, at Scarburg, he would of course be called "stablemaster", since ostlers are associated with inns and "hotels" or "hostels", as they used to be called. An ostler's job is quite different from a stablemaster's. An ostler is caring for the mounts of guests, whereas a Meadhall stablemaster is in charge of the stables, and therefore of the care of the horses in the stables. Well, perhaps not so different, but different enough; has a more military sense about it, I guess, instead of the market driven sense. It looks to me that some of Léof's issues derive from this very change, what?

Foley, what on earth does Saeryn think she's doing?

Folwren · 10-08-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Durelin

Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative, just like discussing this. Partly because it seems to keep happening in this RP that I find characters getting upset for reasons I don't understand/I have a different understanding of the circumstances and nature of the culture and such. If that makes sense? But no big deal obviously, I just don't want to be too far off on the wrong page when interacting with other's characters. You know, I don't want Coen to look like a jerk because everyone agrees it's wrong for him to call Leof a lad

Not that in-character misunderstandings are a problem!

I think a lot of characters are over-reacting. Saeyrn, for one, definitely is. Leof seems REALLY sensitive right now about being called a boy or considered one.

As for the culture, I actually think a stablemaster would get some special respect. No MORE than the riders, certainly, but some, just becaues of the manner in which they treated their horses.

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Btw, about Scyrr...is he ever going to stop being picked on? (I mean, made to look like a complete fool/jerk all of the time?) Speaking of looking for a fight...*cough*Saeryn*cough*...haha

Nope, he's never going to stop being picked on. And yep, Saeryn is definitely scrapping for a fight.

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Foley, what on earth does Saeryn think she's doing?

Being brave and standing up for her men. What does it look like?

10-08-2011, 06:27 PM	#6
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Ah, I didn't think he would be a 'stablemaster' for one thing, and not really sure what that means or entails. Like I don't know if that would have extra status in Rohan? But it's still about age to me (well, for Coen), and I don't think any of the riders owe even the 'stablemaster' a special degree of respect. I mean he's still a 'common' man like them and just has a particular position in the hall like them (he's not an equerry or the like). And as for the riders taking care of their own mounts, well, I always figured that's what riders of Rohan would do. That it would be typical, because they'd have a special relationship with their mounts. Not that they'd do all their maintenance or of course the dirty work unless they were ordered to ;p Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative, just like discussing this. Partly because it seems to keep happening in this RP that I find characters getting upset for reasons I don't understand/I have a different understanding of the circumstances and nature of the culture and such. If that makes sense? But no big deal obviously, I just don't want to be too far off on the wrong page when interacting with other's characters. You know, I don't want Coen to look like a jerk because everyone agrees it's wrong for him to call Leof a lad Not that in-character misunderstandings are a problem! Btw, about Scyrr...is he ever going to stop being picked on? (I mean, made to look like a complete fool/jerk all of the time?) Speaking of looking for a fight...coughSaeryncough...haha Last edited by Durelin; 10-08-2011 at 06:36 PM.

10-08-2011, 06:39 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	It just occurred to me that we used to call Léof the "ostler", which was correct when the "Eorl of Middle Emnet's" Hall was "The White Horse Inn". Now, at Scarburg, he would of course be called "stablemaster", since ostlers are associated with inns and "hotels" or "hostels", as they used to be called. An ostler's job is quite different from a stablemaster's. An ostler is caring for the mounts of guests, whereas a Meadhall stablemaster is in charge of the stables, and therefore of the care of the horses in the stables. Well, perhaps not so different, but different enough; has a more military sense about it, I guess, instead of the market driven sense. It looks to me that some of Léof's issues derive from this very change, what? Foley, what on earth does Saeryn think she's doing? Last edited by littlemanpoet; 10-08-2011 at 06:43 PM.

10-07-2011, 08:48 PM	#1
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I honestly don't see what the big deal is with the word 'lad,' lol. And Coen won't either. Of course age doesn't matter with Athanar's sons, they're lordlings (also the one is a bit older anyway)! But Leof is a stablehand, and quite a bit younger than Coen...thus lad. (He is around 16, right? I know that's not as young for a man in Rohan as in 'modern RL,' but still, enough younger than Coen to be a lad!) Quin's a little older than Leof, so maybe he's not a lad. But maybe he is...again, just because of the age difference. They're so young in Coen's eyes!

10-07-2011, 11:20 PM	#2
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	For Leof, it's not so much the word itself as the way a lot of the soldiers are using it/treating him (aka he's super sensitive right now). Because under Eodwine, he was treated as the "stablemaster," and now the riders have all relegated him to "stableboy." The way he sees it, they don't respect him just because he's young even though he's totally competent. So any hint of that is likely to set him off. He probably wouldn't feel the same way, though, if Eodwine called him lad. And Leof was 16 eight game months ago when I wrote his bio... so he's 16-17 now.

10-08-2011, 10:32 AM	#4
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Righto, Legate. It could well be that Leof's woes are as much imagined as real. It's hard to get this across when writing from a limited perspective, but Leof's still not totally secure in his position at the hall (though he hasn't really realized it). There's part of him that still feels that this is all too good to be true (since he ran away from a bad situation at home). When he came to Eodwine looking for help, he really wasn't expecting anything more than a very low level position - and then he got put in charge of the stables, so he's worked really hard to live up to that. I think I took Hilderinc's attitude and sort of projected it onto the other soldiers, and then assumed not all of them would be quite so tactful about it. On top of that, a lot of the soldiers tend to their own horses a fair bit, so Leof feels like he's being cut out and he's not really in charge of "his domain" anymore.